dj mylo Posted July 26, 2005 Posted July 26, 2005 Just to add to some confusion about the pitch resolution: You can calculate that a 0.7% pitch change is around the same as 1 BPM (when the speed is 140BPM). Now, this doesn't work exactly when you go too far, eg. adding 7.0% definetely does not make it go 10 BPM faster! But anyhow, since most of your tracks are around 140-148 BPM, you can get a very quick rough position on the speed while beatmatching by keeping both decks running at increments of 0.7% on the pitch faders. And then yes, by all means, start to fiddle with it when it's going off. Good luck! miKe 303737[/snapback] ah yes, the golden formula! greatest tip of em all! Quote
Basilisk Posted July 26, 2005 Posted July 26, 2005 Should I spend extra on a GOOD mixer? Basilisk, I accept recommendations *anything below 300 USD in the US* 303635[/snapback] Yeah, I'd actually spend more on the mixer. Personally I have a crappy numark two-channel... it does the trick, it can be brought out easily, but it's nothing fancy. Vestax makes some great mixers imho. Take note of what I wrote about the 'cue knob' earlier in the thread. About only seeing 100s on the streets - well yeah, they just came out all of two months ago or whatever. If it weren't for them being cheaply made plastic, I think we'd see a greater adoption rate. As is I don't see any logical follower to the 100 right now, though I wish more promoters would start bringing 800s or 1000s out. Those are sweet. As for mylo and anyone else claiming the 100s are perfectly fine - sounds like you might not have as precise an ear as I possess, or just don't really care. One minute mixes of full-on stuff? Whatever floats your boat... Quote
sundrop Posted July 26, 2005 Posted July 26, 2005 Yeah, I'd actually spend more on the mixer. Personally I have a crappy numark two-channel... it does the trick, it can be brought out easily, but it's nothing fancy. Vestax makes some great mixers imho. Take note of what I wrote about the 'cue knob' earlier in the thread. About only seeing 100s on the streets - well yeah, they just came out all of two months ago or whatever. If it weren't for them being cheaply made plastic, I think we'd see a greater adoption rate. As is I don't see any logical follower to the 100 right now, though I wish more promoters would start bringing 800s or 1000s out. Those are sweet. As for mylo and anyone else claiming the 100s are perfectly fine - sounds like you might not have as precise an ear as I possess, or just don't really care. One minute mixes of full-on stuff? Whatever floats your boat... 303765[/snapback] the 1000's are very popular around calgary. i see them everywhere! full-on is quite tough to make a long mix in comparison to prog. you will be lucky to find two tracks that fit for a 1 minute mix. thats why loops are so handy for fullon. i dont want to dis prog, but, it annoys me when prog DJs frown upon fullon DJs for not making long mixes. thats like booing a racer for not taking a long turn on a sharp corner good sound is the most important!!! what numark mixer do u use? Quote
X-scream Posted July 26, 2005 Posted July 26, 2005 I'd have to agree with Basilisk... 0.02% pitch resolution is so smooth! But there's always the option of buying one cdj100 and one cdj200... why not That way you can make small adjustments on the 200 even while it's playing, no one wil notice pitching up/down 0.02-0.04%... The oh so over used flanger effect on the CDJ100 is actually worse on the 200..activating the effect, pressing hold and giving the jog wheel a slight touch wheel to the left will make the flanger rate start at the lowest possible (just as it should..) But in the 200s the flanger rate starts what I guess would be between the lowest and highest flanger rate.. really stupid I've had the 200 for like 2-3 months now and it's indeed a very good CD player, especially at that price.. btw here's my setup 2x CDJ100 1x CDJ200 1x 1200MK5 1x Vestax PDX-d3 Pioneer DJM 500 I'll probably get rid of the 100s pretty soon Quote
thebadtrip Posted July 26, 2005 Author Posted July 26, 2005 I thought about having one of each. Good point. X-Scream, After you get rid of the 100's, what are you gonna get? Quote
X-scream Posted July 26, 2005 Posted July 26, 2005 I have no idea actually... maybe another 200, or perhaps a 1000. I'm not in a rush though.. But I should be investing in more CDs/vinylsI guess, but it's hard when you're a gear junkie / technology freak Quote
Lepton Posted July 26, 2005 Posted July 26, 2005 full-on is quite tough to make a long mix in comparison to prog. you will be lucky to find two tracks that fit for a 1 minute mix. thats why loops are so handy for fullon. i dont want to dis prog, but, it annoys me when prog DJs frown upon fullon DJs for not making long mixes. thats like booing a racer for not taking a long turn on a sharp corner 303786[/snapback] -Basiliks is wright : It is way more difficult to hold proggie tracks together on a cdj 100 than 145 bpm full-on stuff due to the 0.1% limitation. -simple math : progressive : one beat +- 0.75 % full-on : 1 beat +- 0.7% -1 minute mixes with full-on are really a piece of cake, 2 -3 min mixes are way more fun !!! Luckily I don't play progressive and do own a cdj 200 .... Quote
Basilisk Posted July 26, 2005 Posted July 26, 2005 i dont want to dis prog, but, it annoys me when prog DJs frown upon fullon DJs for not making long mixes. thats like booing a racer for not taking a long turn on a sharp corner good sound is the most important!!! what numark mixer do u use? 303786[/snapback] Sure enough, but you're not implying I'm a "prog DJ" are you? I always advocate doing the best you can with whatever music you play with... prog sounds nice with long blends, and I do recognize that with full-on a lot of the time you just want to get out of the way. I think I have the 1002x... something old anyway. Picked it up 6 years ago or whatever, replaced the crossfader once. Good investment of a couple hundred bucks, thats for sure... I'd like something with four channels though, so I can use my turntables at the same time... Quote
dj mylo Posted July 27, 2005 Posted July 27, 2005 -1 minute mixes with full-on are really a piece of cake, 2 -3 min mixes are way more fun !!! Luckily I don't play progressive and do own a cdj 200 .... 303814[/snapback] that's pretty brave dude ! sounds crazy! put a mix online so we can hear you! hmmmmmm...........personally: I find a minute is the way to go, especially with the harder, more intricate tunes. The last minute is where everything seems to die down and level off a bit - the perfect portion for both tunes to play on top of each other. 2-3 min before the end of the track the song is normally either at it's peak, or in the middle of a huge break. Both are not the best moments to bring in your new tune. Especially when you have 2 loud portions on top of each other, clipping can occur and the intensity of the music is doubled. Melodies can become confused, and generally things can get a bit messy. I have developed my style over the space of 6 years, and have been playing professionally for 5. I have learned from some of the best and I have a distinct style which works for me. Firstly I believe in letting the magic of the songs shine through. Sometimes a song comes together at the 2-3 min mark, the "climax" if you want to call it. Or it makes it's big "melodic statement". And I think it's bad to distract people form this moment. I don't put my mixing "on display" and show off my skills. But rather knit together a tapestry of awesome tunes, and make my mixes as invisible as possible. I try to spin for 3 hours without anyone noticing a single mix. I also never pitch up or down more than 1.4% ( 2 bpm ). I would rather choose another, more suitable tune than force it into a bpm range. Often when you pitch a track too much it sounds like it's either dragging it's feet ( too slow for it's size ) or it's too thin and flat ( too fast for it's size ). To be honest, mostly, my pitch control is sitting on "0". That's why I'm not that excited about CDJ 200's anyway I normally mix out at -1:00, and I never use the crossfader! Or the levels! I mix completely with the EQ's! I find this gives the smoothest transitions and keeps the levels going steady because you are slowly swopping each channel and therefore have more control. So you actually have 3 little stagerred tansitions instead of one big one. Anyhoo. This is the way I do it. It's by no means the only way, or the right way. I am sure you all have your own styles. If you don't have a style yet, I hope you can at least get 1 usefull tip out of this! peace Quote
Basilisk Posted July 27, 2005 Posted July 27, 2005 Melodies can become confused, and generally things can get a bit messy. I don't put my mixing "on display" and show off my skills. But rather knit together a tapestry of awesome tunes, and make my mixes as invisible as possible. I try to spin for 3 hours without anyone noticing a single mix. 303965[/snapback] Attention: see the topic on harmonic mixing I started in the general forum for your first problem!! This also relates to your tendancy to mix within the 2bpm range. Secondly, I agree - let the music speak. That's certainly an aspect of my style as well. With full-on there is more x-fader fuckery going on however... Quote
dj mylo Posted July 27, 2005 Posted July 27, 2005 Attention: see the topic on harmonic mixing I started in the general forum for your first problem!! This also relates to your tendancy to mix within the 2bpm range. 304211[/snapback] Mixing in Key is key! Harmonics rawks! But still somethings just don't go together! It's like 2 guitar solos on one stage BTW I found Mixmeister particularly handy for discovering what key a track is in Quote
Lepton Posted July 27, 2005 Posted July 27, 2005 that's pretty brave dude ! sounds crazy! put a mix online so we can hear you! hmmmmmm...........personally: I find a minute is the way to go, especially with the harder, more intricate tunes. check : http://www.psynews.org/forums/index.php?sh...ndpost&p=249501 I must say that due to the nature of this kind of music most mixes are not that long : 1 min30 sec - 2 min 15; the seroxat shrink mix is 2.50min, but 15 tracks in 73 min should be enough to keep the energy high. *an old 3 decks super cheezy mix I once made as a joke, I 'm not into happy full-on, It took me one whole day of really hard work to put it together. -dikke plakken kaas (big slices of cheese) -june 2004 -78 min 1) astral projection : axis 0.99 (why not) 2) altöm : not from concentrate (neurobiotics) 3) tristan vs the electic ant : six straight days (nano) 4) protoculture : new directions (nano) 5) silicon sound : electro body music (neurobiotics) 6) hujaboy : tribal mood (hommega) 7) man with no name : visit the moon (dragon fly) 8) protoculture : avalon (nano) 9) altöm : hologram (neurobiotics) 10)zorba : barkass (spun) 11)astrix (jaïa rmx) (illegal mp3) 12)cyan : electro texture (nano) 13)altöm : wonderfull (3d vision) 14)commercial hippies : not human (nano) 15)sub 6 ft michelle adamson (psysex rmx) ra hé'ya (hommega) 16)hujaboy - modufications (hommega) 17)psydrop - zone x (phonokol) 18)logic bomb - extension (spiral trax) 19)yahel- for the people (sst) bonus tracks : etnica (fractal glider rmx) (boom) jirah : outer access (usta) http://66.135.37.73/psyvideo.com/~dj/Lepto...plakkenkaas.mp3 Quote
dj mylo Posted July 27, 2005 Posted July 27, 2005 check : http://66.135.37.73/psyvideo.com/~dj/Lepto...plakkenkaas.mp3 304311[/snapback] cool! Downloading! Looking forward to hearing your l33tness! Is this mixing with 200's??? Quote
Lepton Posted July 27, 2005 Posted July 27, 2005 cool! Downloading! Looking forward to hearing your l33tness! Is this mixing with 200's??? 304317[/snapback] 2cdj 100 and 1 gemini cdj 20, it's an old mix (june 2004) and it is super über cheezy Quote
Ov3rdos3 Posted July 27, 2005 Posted July 27, 2005 lepton was kind enough to mail me his 4 hour long killaar darkpsy set. bloody brilliant mixing. i loved how he would only use the best few minutes of a track and switch to a new choon. very good, one of the best mixes ive heard from any psynews members. Quote
thebadtrip Posted July 27, 2005 Author Posted July 27, 2005 lepton was kind enough to mail me his 4 hour long killaar darkpsy set. bloody brilliant mixing. i loved how he would only use the best few minutes of a track and switch to a new choon. very good, one of the best mixes ive heard from any psynews members. 304331[/snapback] Any chance we could listen to that masterpiece as well? I'd love to. Quote
patrik_vision Posted August 17, 2005 Posted August 17, 2005 I must highly recomend the Numark 3002x mixer, one of the nicest mixer i´ve played with, and i´ve played with many different ones. DM3002X _ Inputs: 3 phono, 3 line, 1 mic w/ EQ _ Outputs: master, record, PFL cue send for sampling, fader start _ Bass, middle, and treble KILL switches _ Unique punch IN/OUT transform buttons, panning _ Channels contain: gain, 3-band rotary EQ, PFL meter, post process loops _ Assignable crossfader w/ “hamster” and slope adjust Cheers! Quote
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