moni Posted July 28, 2005 Share Posted July 28, 2005 personally i am not much into beatless ambient. i find it too simple for the brain, easy to produce, boring, sometimes longish and annoying. maybe i just don't get it? so here are my questions: why do you like it? do you like it when sober or when stoned or both? so please, feel free to praise beatless ambient, describe it with your own words, tell me what effects it has on you (body and brain), maybe even give me your favourite beatless ambient tune. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
traveller Posted July 28, 2005 Share Posted July 28, 2005 i find it very boring Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benf52 Posted July 28, 2005 Share Posted July 28, 2005 i think it depends on the mood i am in... most of the time i prefer chill with beats, but sometimes i need smthg really chill... to just relax and space out... i find that with no beats it's easier to relax sometimes... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oopie Posted July 28, 2005 Share Posted July 28, 2005 Heh It's simple, you like something and you don't like something. I personally adore beatless ambient, I think it's the only proper way to go if you wanna chill. This psychedelic downtempo music (HUVA Network, Asura, Entheogenic, Aes Dana...you name it!) on the other hand is something I can't understand! Ok, well some are well executed, f.ex. banco de gaia, astralasia... the older stuff in general and I have a soft spot for Shulman too Tastes do differ so dramatically, but there's nothing wrong with that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kabamaru Posted July 28, 2005 Share Posted July 28, 2005 I'm not a very big fan of beatless ambient, most times i prefer to chill out to something with beats. Yet there are times that my brain doesn't want ANY beats at all. Sometimes anything else except beatless ambient will disturb my relaxed state and will not let me concentrate on what I want (e.g. a magazine, a book, drifting in my own thoughts). Other times, I play some beatless ambient before I sleep (for that purpose usually its Ishq, Dreamfish or some compilation). So, for me, on the one hand its the clear, subtle structure of beatless ambient that does not try to get your attention. On the other hand, by not trying to get your attention it is let free to act in the background. It gets into you after all, but by using the back door! It changes the atmosphere of the room, it gives your activity, whatever you were doing, a new dynamic. It is in a way easier to get immersed to what you were doing (eg. reading a novel) and the whole world that you create in your mind gets more interesting. Favorites: -Albums: Pete Namlook & Mixmaster Morris - Dreamfish Ishq - Orchid Matt Coldrick and Matt Hillier - Elemental Journey (collaboration between Green Nuns & Ishq) Mantaray - Numinous Island Biosphere - Substrata everything I can get my hands at from Robert Rich -Compilations: Twelve Wabi Floatation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auryn Posted July 28, 2005 Share Posted July 28, 2005 well, I'd say beatless ambient is really the only kind of ambient music in the true sense of the word. It is music that (when done right) requires no conscious attention, but subtely chances your mood and soothes your feelings nonetheless. It's simply a direct communication of soothing feelings between the artist and you - no cultural barriers, just pure feeling. I like the simplicity of it, just one state of mind that is communicated in aesthetically beautiful perfection. The repetition you mention has a function: it subtely puts you in a trance and opens your mind to the kind of feelings that are being communicated. Compare it to sphongle: shpongle is all over the place musically (especially 2nd and 3rd albums), very restless music. It requires your constant attention; you have to follow the story, if you don't the listening experience will very schizophrenic. If you don't understand that the music is supposed to be psy-ambient style tripping music, you probably won't even be able to understand what to make of it at all. (again, this is mostly the 2nd and 3rd album, the first album really eases you into it...) Also, shpongle and lots of other psy ambient artists use freaky and squelchy sounds that I find ugly and grating. In beatless ambient tracks like those on the Kompakt label there are no ugly or grating sounds, just smooth washes of synths. Which makes it more true ambient, IMHO. I think the freaky voice-manipulating effect that is used constantly on the 3rd shpongle album is an especially good example of an effect that is annoying and certainly not pleasurable to listen to, and seems to be there just for the sake of it. okay rant over! beatless ambient tip: Markus Guentner - In Moll (Kompakt) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnome Posted July 28, 2005 Share Posted July 28, 2005 Sorry but i think its stupid to ask "why do you like it".Why do i like it?Because. If you dont like it you will never understand even if i explain it to you. Oh and im absolutely sure you have never heard high class minimal ambient. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seraph Posted July 28, 2005 Share Posted July 28, 2005 Pete Namlook & Mixmaster Morris - Dreamfish Biosphere - Substrata Twelve 304868[/snapback] Oh yes... I can add : Biosphere - Insomnia Robert Rich & Brian Lustmord - Stalker Robert Henke - Floating Point Liquid Mind - Ambience Minimus Biosphere - Cirque Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAH Posted July 28, 2005 Share Posted July 28, 2005 i personally enjoy good beatless ambient when i am reallly stoned and im going to bed... so i drift for like half cd in la-la land and it eases me into a sleep... nothing pisses me off more than being at the doors of dreams when the kick just wakes you back to reality... it's also really soothing music when i have to do work... Oh yes... I can add : Biosphere - Insomnia Robert Rich & Brian Lustmord - Stalker Robert Henke - Floating Point Liquid Mind - Ambience Minimus Biosphere - Cirque 304921[/snapback] ha nice one! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cubicidal Posted July 28, 2005 Share Posted July 28, 2005 Not all ambient is something to space out to. Check out Vir Unis - Aeonian Glow. Very intense and dark, brilliantly written music, liberated from the restrictions of meter. http://www.greenhousemusic.darkwinter.com/v_ghm04.html Read the first review. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moni Posted July 29, 2005 Author Share Posted July 29, 2005 Sorry but i think its stupid to ask "why do you like it".Why do i like it?Because. If you dont like it you will never understand even if i explain it to you. Oh and im absolutely sure you have never heard high class minimal ambient. 304901[/snapback] thanks for the "stupid" thanos. you COULD say a few words about the music you like. but nevermind Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ov3rdos3 Posted July 29, 2005 Share Posted July 29, 2005 i love it as background music. if i want to REALLY chill. its the only type of music i can fall asleep to as well. my personal preference is i love it. but many people dont. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DETOX Posted July 29, 2005 Share Posted July 29, 2005 Beatless ambient? Well ambient is supposed to have no beat you know. Seems like none of you has ever heard of Brian Eno and his albums On Land (the album that actually putted Ambient on the music map) and Apollo. So for those like Moni that wonder why people (including me) like 'beatless ambient' just buy an original copy of On Land,put the headphones in your ears,lay on your bed and close your eyes... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bahamut Posted July 29, 2005 Share Posted July 29, 2005 So for those like Moni that wonder why people (including me) like 'beatless ambient' just buy an original copy of On Land,put the headphones in your ears,lay on your bed and close your eyes... 305184[/snapback] I second that. You'll have to give it a serious chance... some patience is required. I like this ambient because of the fascinating sounds and atmospheres it creates... music without rules or boundaries... it can play with your mind and imagination... and of course it has very relaxing qualities. There is beatless ambient that I find too boring and only works as background noise... there's some very minimal stuff that just doesn't work for me. But good ambient can be listened to intensively OR used as background music for chilling, sleeping, meditating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Towelie Posted July 29, 2005 Share Posted July 29, 2005 good beatless ambient is good and bad beatless ambient is bad .. simple as that i really enjoy some of it like robert rich stuff that has lot of cool synth sounds etc but then theres stuff that has absolutely nothing like recorded 80 minutes of noises in street Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seraph Posted July 29, 2005 Share Posted July 29, 2005 Beatless ambient? Well ambient is supposed to have no beat you know. Seems like none of you has ever heard of Brian Eno and his albums On Land (the album that actually putted Ambient on the music map) and Apollo. So for those like Moni that wonder why people (including me) like 'beatless ambient' just buy an original copy of On Land,put the headphones in your ears,lay on your bed and close your eyes... 305184[/snapback] I've heard both albums and they are very good but actually too minimalistic for me. I do like some kind of progression in sound, which those albums miss, they are pure soundscapes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psytones Posted July 29, 2005 Share Posted July 29, 2005 I would like to write more, but no time. Beatless ambient, aka "Drone-music" is wonderfull! (and complicated, magical, trippy). .. Dont remember the website for this radio-channel. But if you use iTunes as your music-player. You can find a GREAT beatless ambient channel in the Electronica section.. It's perfect for all medication *POFF* now wish I was playing: Biosphere's album whitch is pretty beatless. (Cant remember the album title at the moment) ... Oh and check out some music by "Fires of Ork" -In heaven- ect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seraph Posted July 29, 2005 Share Posted July 29, 2005 I forgot one of the best beatless ambient albums - Juno Reactor - Lu.C.i.Ana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psytones Posted July 29, 2005 Share Posted July 29, 2005 I forgot one of the best betaless ambient albums - Juno Reactor - Lu.C.i.Ana 305265[/snapback] HELL YEAH!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnome Posted July 29, 2005 Share Posted July 29, 2005 thanks for the "stupid" thanos. you COULD say a few words about the music you like. but nevermind 304990[/snapback] Hey sorry if i was a lil bit offensive At least you know i didnt mean it Describe it......hm......well i love this atmoshpere.From light to darkness,from heaven to hell.It can touch your soul and play with it.Its music for the senses. Slow,deep keyboard sounds with forest whispers and birds singing at dawn....it can make you "trip" in another way.You know while you dont dance and sit to listen all your energy goes to other things like....thinking or....travelling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DETOX Posted July 29, 2005 Share Posted July 29, 2005 You know while you dont dance and sit to listen all your energy goes to other things like....thinking or....travelling 305278[/snapback] Exactly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manuser Posted July 29, 2005 Share Posted July 29, 2005 personally i am not much into beatless ambient. i find it too simple for the brain, easy to produce, boring, sometimes longish and annoying. maybe i just don't get it? so here are my questions: why do you like it? do you like it when sober or when stoned or both? so please, feel free to praise beatless ambient, describe it with your own words, tell me what effects it has on you (body and brain), maybe even give me your favourite beatless ambient tune. 304838[/snapback] well you tell me it's simple and easy to produce i just think you listened to the wrong CDs. Try : Thom brennan, Vir unis, Steve Roach, Tom Heasley, Yen Pox & Troum, dark as possible, really Vidna Obmana ... subtle and musical as possible, psy ambient is basic and pale compared with this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnome Posted July 29, 2005 Share Posted July 29, 2005 And for once more i will suggest Matthew Florianz! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manuser Posted July 29, 2005 Share Posted July 29, 2005 well, I'd say beatless ambient is really the only kind of ambient music in the true sense of the word. It is music that (when done right) requires no conscious attention, but subtely chances your mood and soothes your feelings nonetheless. It's simply a direct communication of soothing feelings between the artist and you - no cultural barriers, just pure feeling. I like the simplicity of it, just one state of mind that is communicated in aesthetically beautiful perfection. The repetition you mention has a function: it subtely puts you in a trance and opens your mind to the kind of feelings that are being communicated. Compare it to sphongle: shpongle is all over the place musically (especially 2nd and 3rd albums), very restless music. It requires your constant attention; you have to follow the story, if you don't the listening experience will very schizophrenic. If you don't understand that the music is supposed to be psy-ambient style tripping music, you probably won't even be able to understand what to make of it at all. (again, this is mostly the 2nd and 3rd album, the first album really eases you into it...) Also, shpongle and lots of other psy ambient artists use freaky and squelchy sounds that I find ugly and grating. In beatless ambient tracks like those on the Kompakt label there are no ugly or grating sounds, just smooth washes of synths. Which makes it more true ambient, IMHO. I think the freaky voice-manipulating effect that is used constantly on the 3rd shpongle album is an especially good example of an effect that is annoying and certainly not pleasurable to listen to, and seems to be there just for the sake of it. okay rant over! beatless ambient tip: Markus Guentner - In Moll (Kompakt) 304869[/snapback] i CAN'T agree more with you auryn ; ) ambient is a music that doesn't need attention but that rewards attention. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bahamut Posted July 29, 2005 Share Posted July 29, 2005 My list of all time best electronic albums would definately include a lot of "beatless ambient" along with 70s synthmusic that has ambient qualities. Now there's one track I think y'all should listen to, the unbelievable: Steve Roach - Infinite Shore You will not comprehend this track the first time. Let your ears and brain adjust. Listen to it some more and you might discover the beauty of it. Believe me, it only seems easy... it's not like you play a few random synth presets and get results like this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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