Dj-Emotion Posted August 31, 2005 Share Posted August 31, 2005 What do you guys think about downloading stuff? I'm not talking about like unsigned artsists that obviously want you to......but like full regular albums? That you can buy. What do you guys think (more of a dj question) when you see a dj bust out his cd case and most of them are burned copies? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAH Posted August 31, 2005 Share Posted August 31, 2005 What do you guys think (more of a dj question) when you see a dj bust out his cd case and most of them are burned copies? 325436[/snapback] i think it's kind of lame in view... especially if in some way or another you are making a living out of it and you love the music, it just seems logical to me you would try to add your grain of salt to the lot to keep the wheel spinning; not mention sometimes you can really tell the quality of the music decreases on a large system... but thats just me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dj-Emotion Posted August 31, 2005 Author Share Posted August 31, 2005 i think it's kind of lame in view... especially if in some way or another you are making a living out of it and you love the music, it just seems logical to me you would try to add your grain of salt to the lot to keep the wheel spinning; not mention sometimes you can really tell the quality of the music decreases on a large system... but thats just me 325440[/snapback] I agree. What i like to do is buy the cd's and then make copies of them. and play those copies out. Cause then if they get scratched or whatever i have the main one back at home and i can make a new copy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cinos Posted August 31, 2005 Share Posted August 31, 2005 I used to think it was bad, but really, the only sensible choice is to download a lot of stuff and buy what you like. Saves you a crapload of money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dj-Emotion Posted August 31, 2005 Author Share Posted August 31, 2005 I used to think it was bad, but really, the only sensible choice is to download a lot of stuff and buy what you like. Saves you a crapload of money. 325455[/snapback] hahaha...this is VERY true! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moni Posted August 31, 2005 Share Posted August 31, 2005 What do you guys think (more of a dj question) when you see a dj bust out his cd case and most of them are burned copies? 325436[/snapback] What i like to do is buy the cd's and then make copies of them. and play those copies out. Cause then if they get scratched or whatever i have the main one back at home and i can make a new copy. 325452[/snapback] you just answered your own question. i know djs who do that. it seems logical, no? i'd really hate to see my babies damaged. but then i'm not a dj. I used to think it was bad, but really, the only sensible choice is to download a lot of stuff and buy what you like. Saves you a crapload of money. 325455[/snapback] true now, me. i can't afford to buy much. i'm from eastern europe. yes, i download sometimes (i dlded a compilation from 2004 2 weeks ago). it also happened that i waited for weeks and checked the mail box daily, and the cds never arrived. tell me what to do. lol anyway, i agree that it's cool to download the album and listen to it before buying it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 31, 2005 Share Posted August 31, 2005 seeing as psy is mixed pretty much all from cd's its kinda hard not to download all your tracks but mind u i got no problem paying for the downloads, obviously free is better, but the artists desreve something for the time and effort they put in shit trance producers make loads of money for trash and most psy producers get nothing for unreal music. doesnt seem right to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rain Posted August 31, 2005 Share Posted August 31, 2005 I say stuff downloading you can't by aymore = ok a dj should have evertyhing original... for homelistening and checking what is good downloading is ok... there's to much stuff coming out and you can't count on the samples of psyshop... + music cost too much... they should lower the price.... I would by more.... not everybody has money in this world... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cangrejo Posted August 31, 2005 Share Posted August 31, 2005 I just say this: Music is made for listening and not for making money. Downloading is good, because it spreads the emotions that the music awakens and that's the whole point of music. "But if people couldn't make a living... bla bla bla... there would be less music out there" Yeah, and that would be good, because then the only music out there would be the ones who really cared about music and not about money, so it would all in all be better music. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 31, 2005 Share Posted August 31, 2005 I don't think it's morally wrong. and if you are downloading for preview purposes that's all cool of course. I would still think it's weird though, if you are a music lover and don't care about gettin a physical copy, I cannot relate to that, but then I am partly a record collector... so I might not see why ppl are just happy with an mp3 copy. another thing that struck me recently. since I've been serious gettin more and more into electronic music, I find that the records in these genre tend to sell out much faster than the typical rock music I used to listen to. and then I don't see why it should bother any parts (lables, other fans, etc) if one downloads. I tried to get stuff that was 1-2 years old that was impossible to find - it's like what the fuck press more cd's/lp's! p.s. and regarding major lables - I have no sympathy for their whining. if they put out the kind of soul-less music that they do I can fully understand people who are not "invited" to this underground scene that they do not buy music anymore. I am not goin generalise people - BUT GENERALLY I do think ppl (only exposed to what's happening in mainstream media) buy less music 'cause the major artists has less soul today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAH Posted August 31, 2005 Share Posted August 31, 2005 I just say this: Music is made for listening and not for making money. Downloading is good, because it spreads the emotions that the music awakens and that's the whole point of music. "But if people couldn't make a living... bla bla bla... there would be less music out there" Yeah, and that would be good, because then the only music out there would be the ones who really cared about music and not about money, so it would all in all be better music. 325521[/snapback] as far as i remember Mozart, Bach, Janis Joplin, Fredy Mercury, Charlie Park, Dizzie Gillespie are all paid artists... do you think they would have released such great tunes in their respective category without being paid?... the difference between amateur and professional, is that people actually pay for the music you produce... buying plastic still spreads emotions... you do what you want and thats fine, but let's not look for spiritual/philosphical excuses about it ... sorry i was biting my tongue... i guess i better get some sleep now... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
X-scream Posted August 31, 2005 Share Posted August 31, 2005 ....but like full regular albums? That you can buy. 325436[/snapback] If I like and it's available, I buy it, simple as that What do you guys think (more of a dj question) when you see a dj bust out his cd case and most of them are burned copies? 325436[/snapback] I wouldn't be too quick to judge because most (?) djs probably do like you and me, burn copies of originals. I would never play downloaded mp3s.. with the exception of unreleased killarghs that the artist put up for download But even then I would very much hesitate playing them if they weren't high quality ones... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 31, 2005 Share Posted August 31, 2005 if the psy/goa scene wasnt so underground, but commercialised, and u could profit huge, would u still agree that making money from the music is not a priority? not saying that its right, but obviously u wouldnt turn down money. i dj cause i love the music and the feeling u get when u get people dancin, not the money. but if u have to put in countless hrs, week after week, what would u think? just to make things clear, im not trying to be an ignorrant prick, but everyone knows thats the way shit goes. its not right, but unfortunately, thats what happens IMO thats why hard dance(nrg/hh/ht) died. big labels concentated on making money and not making good music. they make music that bar people, top 40 junkies like. commercial cheese. anyways, downloading is generally accepted, especially within the psy scene, so lets share the wealth i guess. if i need to pay for an album and its worth it, no probs. i buy records all the time so payin for tracks on cd is pretty much the same support the fellow psy heads!!!!!! really hope this makes sense!!!!!! haha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest djnemo Posted August 31, 2005 Share Posted August 31, 2005 I just say this: Music is made for listening and not for making money. Downloading is good, because it spreads the emotions that the music awakens and that's the whole point of music. "But if people couldn't make a living... bla bla bla... there would be less music out there" Yeah, and that would be good, because then the only music out there would be the ones who really cared about music and not about money, so it would all in all be better music. 325521[/snapback] I could not agree less with you. You are totally on the wrong track here my young friend. In order to afford the material to make music with, you need to have money. If you really love making music the OLDFASION way, like in having a lot of hardware, you are going to have to have a lot of money. What you then do, is to work your daytime job to be able to afford all of those synths and gadgets. I would like to be able to LIVE of my music, then I could really put out what I wanted, and when I wanted it. I would not have to go to my boring 9-5 job, and I would not have to feel stressed at all.... Downloading for preview purposes is fine with me, I have saved a lot of money, by not buying everything that is out there (which I used to do). This gave me more money for my gadgets and synths. But do not get me wrong, I buy EVERYTHING that has more than 4 good tracks on it (albums of course, singles is diffrent...) Anyways, this is my point of view feel free to hate me for it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rain Posted August 31, 2005 Share Posted August 31, 2005 , I buy EVERYTHING that has more than 4 good tracks on it 325563[/snapback] so how many do you buy then, with that statemet I should buy one cd a month + how do you know there are 4 good tracks ??? by downloading it first Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaft Posted August 31, 2005 Share Posted August 31, 2005 + music cost too much... they should lower the price.... I would by more.... 325466[/snapback] £8 on saikosounds / just under £9 on psyshop. That's hardly expensive, compared to commercial music stores like HMV which jack up album prices to around £16. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rain Posted August 31, 2005 Share Posted August 31, 2005 £8 on saikosounds / just under £9 on psyshop. That's hardly expensive, compared to commercial music stores like HMV which jack up album prices to around £16. 325599[/snapback] it's too much sorry... I can't pay that... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 31, 2005 Share Posted August 31, 2005 I can only really tell you the vibes from the hard house/NRG community, and that is that illegal downloads are having a serious impact on the viablity of record labels. Where as several years ago a label could bank on selling at least 10,000 copies of a popular tune, they are currently shifting less than 2500. There are already a huge number of people that do not purchase CD's, do not go clubbing, do not purchase vinyl releases and so therefore contribute nothing back to the scene. With broadband speeds getting faster and faster, I can only see this problem getting worse. Anyone with an ounce of logic can see that this is not sustainable. And I do acknowledge the point that, should no-one be able to make a living from making music in the future, the only people left that continue to make music will be those that are in it for reasons other than money. However, that's a pretty naive view - people still need to eat and pay rent/the mortgage etc... I have a friend that has never purchased or rented a DVD in his life - he downloads every single film he watches. My argument to him was, "If EVERYONE did as you did, would there be any films left to download within a year?". I think I know the answer... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest djnemo Posted August 31, 2005 Share Posted August 31, 2005 so how many do you buy then, with that statemet I should buy one cd a month + how do you know there are 4 good tracks ??? by downloading it first 325565[/snapback] Read before you reply... just a suggestion... Downloading for preview purposes is fine with me, I have saved a lot of money, by not buying everything that is out there (which I used to do). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rain Posted August 31, 2005 Share Posted August 31, 2005 Read before you reply... just a suggestion... 325645[/snapback] I know you suggested i just confirmed never ment to say you didn't suggested... how much do you buy then If I may ask ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Milk Posted August 31, 2005 Share Posted August 31, 2005 I know deep inside that is wrong, but I just cant stop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ov3rdos3 Posted August 31, 2005 Share Posted August 31, 2005 I know deep inside that is wrong, but I just cant stop 325710[/snapback] well....its kinda like masturbating. every one raises their arms in denial when questioned about it, but kick open their bedroom door at 01:30 in the morning and your likely to catch them in the act of downloading to their hard drive.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cinos Posted August 31, 2005 Share Posted August 31, 2005 well....its kinda like masturbating. every one raises their arms in denial when questioned about it, but kick open their bedroom door at 01:30 in the morning and your likely to catch them in the act of downloading to their hard drive.. 325718[/snapback] Yes... downloading masturbation to my hard drive rules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatsu Posted August 31, 2005 Share Posted August 31, 2005 I just say this: Music is made for listening and not for making money. Downloading is good, because it spreads the emotions that the music awakens and that's the whole point of music. "But if people couldn't make a living... bla bla bla... there would be less music out there" Yeah, and that would be good, because then the only music out there would be the ones who really cared about music and not about money, so it would all in all be better music. 325521[/snapback] But just because somebody cares about music doesn't mean that he or she makes automatically good music. I mean I care a lot about music but I still would never be able to make a tracks that sounds as good as Hallucinogen. Most artists (at least in the psyscene) make not much money out of their CDs, if they wouldn't care about the music they would have for sure chosen other styles or even a whole other job. If you can't make a living out of the music then maybe you won't just have the time to make high quality tracks, or only very few tracks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ov3rdos3 Posted August 31, 2005 Share Posted August 31, 2005 Yes... downloading masturbation to my hard drive rules. 325721[/snapback] ..you download masturbation to your harddrive? sicko. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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