Guest Posted September 24, 2005 Share Posted September 24, 2005 why is that the trance is more connected to psychedelic culture, and drum & bass is more connected to black/rap culture? I think good drum & bass can be just as much psychedelic... but few artist chooses that path. I'm not only talking about producers like Total Eclipse, Devian Electronics who has clear influences of trance music. I also mean producers like Seba, PFM, Blu Mar Ten ... those artists can really blow my mind, in a psychedelic way. and with trance, it's almost the opposite, things go to an extreme which makes it cliché. I mean shiva-covers, druggy vocal samples, etc... what I'm trying to say here, I really like drum & bass, but I can relate more to psychedelic culture than rap/black culture.... I'd like to see an merge here... or just claim that I'm not schizophrenic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnome Posted September 24, 2005 Share Posted September 24, 2005 Check DJ TeeBee.Especially a track called "Spaceage". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khogg Posted September 25, 2005 Share Posted September 25, 2005 I must admit that the best non-psy electronic music I have heard that has similar energy to psy is drum and bass. Never really got into it though. It's like this whole other world and parts of it seem very commerical, well as commercial as any music like that ever is I guess. The main reason I never got into it though was that I just don't have the time to get into it and figure out what's going on. Furthermore, the people I have met who are heavily into it are usually ex-hardcore ravers and really shallow and lame and talk like a bunch of whiggers. This whole vibe instantly turns me off. Still one day maybe I'll put in some time and buy a few CDs. Any album reccomendations for guy who knows nothing but D&B but loves psy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The Journey Man Project Posted September 25, 2005 Share Posted September 25, 2005 The only drum n bass I listen to is the hardcore shit from Renegade Hardware and Barcode sublabes of http://www.tovmusic.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lumpi Posted September 25, 2005 Share Posted September 25, 2005 why is that the trance is more connected to psychedelic culture, and drum & bass is more connected to black/rap culture? 344047[/snapback] I´m no expert, but doesn´t drum´n´bass have its roots in hip hop and raggae, hence they´re more connected to black music? Thats´s the only thing that turns me off sometimes when those fucking MCs start to rap, it spoils the entire track everytime. Any album reccomendations for guy who knows nothing but D&B but loves psy? 344511[/snapback] I can recommend: Black Sun Empire - Driving insane Technical Itch - Diagnostics Ed Rush - Wormhole Dom & Roland - Industry and Back to the future Teebee - Through the eyes of a scorpion ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
el brujo Posted September 25, 2005 Share Posted September 25, 2005 Well For years I have been into psychedelic music and it was Psychedelic Rock, my parents listen to psychedelia, and they mentioned they were playing white rabbit as a lullaby to me... I thought there were no other psy music except those... Then one day a friend made me listen Hallucinogen - LSD I can not tell you what I felt I think its a great chance (more than that maybe) that the world of psychedelia met trance. Trance itself causes trips without psychedelic substances. I do not go to history and all that we all know those. When loaded with this kind a music (goa/psy) and these drugs (`cid/shrooms or alike), where we reach is uncomaparble to anything I experienced before. I loved tripping and listenin Jimi Hendrix, but even that doesnt compare to that. For dnb it doesnt take me that further alone and it doesnt flow for me for days, it creates the stories sharp and unconnected for me... Feels synthetic. Another strange thing for goa/psy is a music made of unearthy sounds totally connects me to nature and thats most probably because of the trance unducing part... I messed a little but you d get the idea... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khogg Posted September 25, 2005 Share Posted September 25, 2005 I hear what you are saying el brujo, but I've heard some drum and bass (not sure which artists etc.) that has very similar layers and effects as psy just a different backbone or foundation. To me the difference is only in the overall vibe and the kind of place you can hear it. In truth, I think both can be equally trippy... I can't prove this, but I've always wondered. So, I've always wanted to hear the D&B equivalent of Hallucinogen - LSD or AP - People Can Fly or etc...... So what is it? And where can I hear samples? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anoebis Posted September 25, 2005 Share Posted September 25, 2005 Well, There is actually a pretty big psychedelic-trance/breakbeat crossover imo, but it is mostly underground, but many Australian artists have made that kind of music... Also Blue Room has some breakbeaty releases... Check out Nam Shub of Enkhi Exotic Matter - Astral Attaché Va - Gourmet Genre Va - Freakstyle Odd Harmonics - Coincedentalism etc etc... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 25, 2005 Share Posted September 25, 2005 Gnome -> good one, I have it on my computer! khogg -> yes I feel the same about other "musical cultures". it's a real shame, d&b could be a powerful mind tool. the same goes for metal, it can be used as very powerful psychedelic music, believe it or not! but very very few artists realize it. this is why I like this forum alot - trance may not be my favourite music but I find all of you here very open-minded. lumpi -> hehe, I'm not much for rap either. I only have 2 d&b albums where the rap is acceptible. in other cases it completly ruins the music. thanks everyone for listening! just needed to get this out of my system Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qa2pir Posted September 26, 2005 Share Posted September 26, 2005 You have 2 albums where it's acceptable, that means you must have more d'n'b albums than 2. And you call yourself a newcomer :/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rain Posted September 26, 2005 Share Posted September 26, 2005 I noticed drum'n bass got harder comparing to 7 years agoo and also uses more trance and psy sounds to create diversity... what is a good thing and makes it more psychedelic then it used to be... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qa2pir Posted September 26, 2005 Share Posted September 26, 2005 My only D'n'b album is drum'n'bass selection mixed by dj mono (on tape), it's got tracks by ed rush, photek, peshay. i think it's cool. When we drive in our old car we listen to it because it's got a tape player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lauryn Posted September 26, 2005 Share Posted September 26, 2005 Check DJ TeeBee.Especially a track called "Spaceage". 344365[/snapback] I've never been a drum and bass person, but by chance I happened to go out to see Teebee dj here in Boston last year, and I've gotta say, his music is definately worth checking out. The dnb I probably most got into (and also find to be most psychedelic) is "intelligent drum and bass" as its sometimes called....artists such as LTJ Bukem and Big Bud....anyone who is one Good Looking Records basically... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qa2pir Posted September 26, 2005 Share Posted September 26, 2005 Wouldn't it be nice if d'n'b and psy merged? Not as a genre but as a scene. You know, many psy artists make chill or ambient. Why isn't there a possibilty to include d'n'b in a "psy-album"? I say make them one scene! Merging is always good. Some oldschool albums have d'n'b songs and other experimentations which i like. I don't know about d'n'b but psy is starting to get a little too comfortable, almost like pop but less cheesy if you know what i mean. How would it be if psy and ambient didn't marry back in the days? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAH Posted September 26, 2005 Share Posted September 26, 2005 the main difference is the crowd IMO... especially in the small scene in squat parties around the UK and whatnot. which to be hoenst is my only sampler of this music. if it was a squat about DnB it was more about rude boys (no wait there's another name.. but can't remember) wearing their adidas and whatnot looking rough, like they're ready to nick your wallet the minute you are not looking. I didn't find it nearly as friendly... as trance parties which weren't many to be honest... so more often than not for a period we would end up chilling in the DnB room... as for the music or the setting or anything else... well.. i really can't remember Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sick Bastard Posted September 29, 2005 Share Posted September 29, 2005 A quality crossover between psytrance and drum & bass would be really really great, although i find some old jungle tracks and some modern tech step releases pretty psychedelic, at least on the way i understand psychedelia: Worth checking out d'n'b classics: Bad Company - Planet Dust Underfire vs Negative - Bios Fear Ram Trilogy - Mindscan Bad Company - Four Days Kemal & Rob Data - The Messiah Tech Step dancefloor killarghs: Crossfire - Hydra Tee Bee - Fingerprints Pendulum - Vault Sta & Paul B - Step 2 Zero V/A Spy Technologies Enjoy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khogg Posted September 29, 2005 Share Posted September 29, 2005 Interesting... I must check out some of the mentioned artists and albums. Is there some place like Saikosounds/Psyshop that specializes in this stuff where you can easily hear samples? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sick Bastard Posted September 29, 2005 Share Posted September 29, 2005 Is there some place like Saikosounds/Psyshop that specializes in this stuff where you can easily here samples? 347426[/snapback] Sorry but don't know anyone with this concrete tracks at this moment, but if i find them i'll post the link here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 29, 2005 Share Posted September 29, 2005 I've gotten some drum & bass from Soul Seduction and Sister Ray. but I know Juno Records also carries this music. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phatpat Posted September 29, 2005 Share Posted September 29, 2005 black culture eh? certainly not the case with the dnb scene in Australia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Milk Posted September 30, 2005 Share Posted September 30, 2005 black culture eh? certainly not the case with the dnb scene in Australia. 347554[/snapback] nice avatar mate, I like that album drum and bass, now there is something I almost dont know anything about Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qa2pir Posted September 30, 2005 Share Posted September 30, 2005 My favorites are stille Photek and Ed Rush... Although it bothers me that my only d'n'b record is on tape so i can't see what the tracks are called... But i think those great ones are photek and ed rush looking at the place on the tape etc. (i have the tracklist) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strifer Posted October 2, 2005 Share Posted October 2, 2005 ahhh dnb and psytrance, my two most favorite genres in electronic music, and the two most different, in almost every way imaginable. (Tho I can see some small connections between the two) Very odd to see this topic, considering I've been recently thinking of it was possible to connect psy and dnb. I'm starting to believe it's not though, they're just so different in culture and sound. DnB, fast drumloops and powerfull basslines, psytrance, a single powerfull kick and layers of synths and fx. One is for tribal dancing, back and forth, the other is shake you body breakdance kinda thing. DnB-roots in dub, hip hop, breakbeat...etc... Psytrance-roots in psychedellia, spiritualism, tribal dancing nowadays I think DnB is all about the popular big epic, hip hop, junglist vibe, just go to www.breakbeat.co.uk (dnb arena) and see wat's up. I think it's falling into the mainstream hip hop trap, but some of the tracks nowadays are incredible, filled with energy you can't find anywhere else. Listen to Pendulum-trantuala, fasten your seatbelts, the terminal to get what I mean. Watch one of the videos of the live sets on www.breakbeat.co.uk, can you imagine psytrance mixing with this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NT Posted October 2, 2005 Share Posted October 2, 2005 Well, Shift actually managed to mix some dark/industrial drum n bass/breakbeats on a song (called "push it") from his last album Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 2, 2005 Share Posted October 2, 2005 there is a french european band of drum & bass dub with psy influences, that i like a lot, called "X-MAKEENA". but it's underground, so you won't find any mp3 of them on the net, except on their site:www.xmakeena.com once you entered the main page, go to the "son" section (the site is made in a weird mix of french/english, some of the links are in french, others are in english...) then you have 3 songs that you can listen to... to me, the best of the 3 is "xperts" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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