Guest Rain Posted December 13, 2005 Share Posted December 13, 2005 rain, wtf... do you think some slowed down full-on/psy music is AMBIENT? (like astral projections shitty ambient versions, or hallucinogen in dub, even shpongle etc?) that ain't ambient man... 397100[/snapback] what are you saying hallucinogen in dub is a bad cd ????? what is you're right off course well sorry but many many people like it, sorry and euhm spongle isn't ambient , euhm what the hell do you answer to such a statement... do I have to convince you know ??? I don't even know where the hell you get the idea sphongle is not ambient, so have no idea to convince you... sorry... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NT Posted December 13, 2005 Share Posted December 13, 2005 well it ain't pure ambient, thats a fact for sure... define it as chill/psy-chill or whatever, but definantly it ain't ambient, sorry to dissapoint you... pure ambient are soundscapes/drones etc.. and oh i didn't say hallucinogen in dub is a crap album, its quite nice, but i wouldn't define that as ambient either... someone said that ambient is psychedelic, well perhaps at some points it can be.. but all the ambient you probably have heard is the stuff that comes from producers within the goa/psy scene.. i'd rather define that as psymbient/psychill or whatever... not ambient, you want pure ambient? take a good and _DEEP_ listen to this for instance: Dighom - A1: Kunthai 8:51 Now, that was amazing, was it? (some people might find it boring though because 'nothing happens' bla-bla.. listen to this under the right circumstances... either while induced or while in bed, lights out, and have a nice journey...) Either way it has NOTHING to do with full-on at all. IF you liked it however, go here and get the rest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rain Posted December 13, 2005 Share Posted December 13, 2005 well it ain't pure ambient, thats a fact for sure... define it as chill/psy-chill or whatever, but definantly it ain't ambient, sorry to dissapoint you... pure ambient are soundscapes/drones etc.. and oh i didn't say hallucinogen in dub is a crap album, its quite nice, but i wouldn't define that as ambient either... someone said that ambient is psychedelic, well perhaps at some points it can be.. but all the ambient you probably have heard is the stuff that comes from producers within the goa/psy scene.. i'd rather define that as psymbient/psychill or whatever... not ambient, you want pure ambient? take a good and _DEEP_ listen to this for instance: Dighom - A1: Kunthai 8:51 Now, that was amazing, was it? (some people might find it boring though because 'nothing happens' bla-bla.. listen to this under the right circumstances... either while induced or while in bed, lights out, and have a nice journey...) Either way it has NOTHING to do with full-on at all. IF you liked it however, go here and get the rest. 397108[/snapback] ever heard of the term 'psychedelic ambient' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaft Posted December 13, 2005 Share Posted December 13, 2005 well it ain't pure ambient, thats a fact for sure... define it as chill/psy-chill or whatever, but definantly it ain't ambient, sorry to dissapoint you... 397108[/snapback] Yeah, that's correct. Shpongle is psychedelic experimental stuff... 'psybient' as some might call it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonflier Posted December 13, 2005 Share Posted December 13, 2005 ever heard of the term 'psychedelic ambient' 397151[/snapback] "Psychedelic ambient" is still ambient right? Shpongle has way too much going on in their tunes for them to be called "ambient". I think you should listen to some real ambient and make a statement based on that. Psychedelic downtempo is what I'd categorize Shpongle's music as. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfx Posted December 13, 2005 Share Posted December 13, 2005 i voted for "2.are you kidding?psychedelic?hah!this is the joke of the year..." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puck Posted December 13, 2005 Share Posted December 13, 2005 "Psychedelic ambient" is still ambient right? Shpongle has way too much going on in their tunes for them to be called "ambient". I think you should listen to some real ambient and make a statement based on that. Psychedelic downtempo is what I'd categorize Shpongle's music as. 397463[/snapback] I couldn't agree more Rain obviously you don't listen much to 'ambient' at all sorry dude Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherlockalien Posted December 13, 2005 Share Posted December 13, 2005 for ambient I understand as beatless music... the rest would be downtempo or chillout Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dajek Posted December 13, 2005 Share Posted December 13, 2005 Psychedelic downtempo is what I'd categorize Shpongle's music as. 397463[/snapback] Quoted For Truth Shpongle sure as .... whatever... isn't ambient. At least 90% of the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Posted December 13, 2005 Share Posted December 13, 2005 Shpongle's a difficult one to categorise, at time's it's ambient, at times trancey, at times downtempo. That's it's beauty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonflier Posted December 13, 2005 Share Posted December 13, 2005 for ambient I understand as beatless music... the rest would be downtempo or chillout 397505[/snapback] Not entirely true, there exists plenty of ambient that have a beat. Sometimes it can be very good as well. Listen to Peter Benisch - Waiting For Snow for example. The overall atmosphere is much calmer in ambient though than in downtempo/chillout music like Shpongle/Shulman/Entheogenic and the likes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polly Posted December 13, 2005 Share Posted December 13, 2005 I'm confused here. I don't really get your point example is space tribe full on or old school goa and is gms full on or hallucinogen must be old school goa. hallucinogen is similar to space tribe and space tribe is similar to gms ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonflier Posted December 13, 2005 Share Posted December 13, 2005 I'm confused here. I don't really get your point example is space tribe full on or old school goa and is gms full on or hallucinogen must be old school goa. hallucinogen is similar to space tribe and space tribe is similar to gms ? 397582[/snapback] Newer Space Tribe is definetely full-on, while some of the older stuff can be called "old-school" if you like. I don't really like the term though, it really doesn't say anything else than that the music is "old". The older stuff is more psy than goa though, if you can make that distinction. I've never considered Hallucinogen as goa, but rather proper "psy-trance" in the true meaning of the word. GMS is, and have always been full-on. So in conclusion: GMS: Full-on Hallucinogen: (Classic) Psy-trance Space Tribe: Psy-trance (old stuff), Full-on (new stuff) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest djnemo Posted December 13, 2005 Share Posted December 13, 2005 Newer Space Tribe is definetely full-on, while some of the older stuff can be called "old-school" if you like. I don't really like the term though, it really doesn't say anything else than that the music is "old". The older stuff is more psy than goa though, if you can make that distinction. I've never considered Hallucinogen as goa, but rather proper "psy-trance" in the true meaning of the word. GMS is, and have always been full-on. So in conclusion: GMS: Full-on Hallucinogen: (Classic) Psy-trance Space Tribe: Psy-trance (old stuff), Full-on (new stuff) 397614[/snapback] I have the first ever GMS, and that was not full on, or? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ormion Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 Some of them are club shit, but some of them are 100% Psy-Trance! Hypersonic is full on but he has nothing to do with Psy-Trance! Twisted System are full on, but they are extremelly psychedelic! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherlockalien Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 Not entirely true, there exists plenty of ambient that have a beat. Sometimes it can be very good as well. Listen to Peter Benisch - Waiting For Snow for example. The overall atmosphere is much calmer in ambient though than in downtempo/chillout music like Shpongle/Shulman/Entheogenic and the likes. 397569[/snapback] thats why I said ´for me´... genres are in any case subjective... so to make things easier, I define ambient as mostly beatless... but like ishq, for examples, at times in some tracks it has soft beats, but still its in general beatless therefore generally ambient Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonflier Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 thats why I said ´for me´... genres are in any case subjective... so to make things easier, I define ambient as mostly beatless... but like ishq, for examples, at times in some tracks it has soft beats, but still its in general beatless therefore generally ambient 398068[/snapback] Yeah, I see what you mean. Most ambient is beatless, but they sometimes throw in beats in a track or two to diverse it a little. Biosphere - Substrata is another good example. As long as it's only slow beats it's still ambient the way I see it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonflier Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 I have the first ever GMS, and that was not full on, or? 397618[/snapback] You mean Chaos Laboratory? I can't remember it very well, but at least it's part full-on, no? GMS more or less invented full-on, so the sound has of course developed itself a bit since then. Old GMS > New GMS anyways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IAMbenjy Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 again... ful on is KILLAAAAARRGHHH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radi6404 Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 again... ful on is KILLAAAAARRGHHH 398198[/snapback] It´s just your opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seraph Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 It´s just your opinion. 398202[/snapback] Which is also only your opinion... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Loopfreaks Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 Which is also only your opinion... 398208[/snapback] which is also only your opinion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cinos Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 Which means they might not actually be opinions because they're opinions! No, wait. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IAMbenjy Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 opinion SHMinion ful on is Killaargghh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frontier Psychiatrist Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 true! Fullon is Israel midishit, they havn´t enough time to spend and produce easy to do fullon crap instead of difficult to do quality trance music, ask everybody you know that don´t listen trance and everyone would say that this isn´t quality music at all but if you give him/her old psytrance he/she would say, "poa what is that, i like this because of the quality electronic sounds and the emotional melodies there, what must an artist think to do this music", for example even my 44 years old aunt has said once while listening Space Tribe and Simon posford The hands of the shaman "This is nie electronic music" so you see that Israel can´t do quality music at all because fullon is burn in israel AND all other countries and labels (without twisted records and dragonfly i think) just copy the ullon formula and do the same music without any quality AT ALL [/size=150] 396113[/snapback] Fullon is the worsesd musicgenre i know, there are a few nice sounding tracks but the rest is worse than mozard!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 396116[/snapback] Dude, like, WTF? Are you in a perpetual Meth withdrawl or something? Am I the only one who's fed up with these obnoxious oldschool vs. full on topics? 396171[/snapback] Same here. How bout some Hair Metal VS Russian Pop topic? I have some pretty good arguments there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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