All facets of trance-music according to me :)

[Anoebis]

Here you have a list I made for a friend, with the entire psychedelic trance splitted in branches and sub-genres...

So please let me know what you think of it, where you agree or disagree... What you would add/Change, it would be nice to have this kind of mindmap which makes entire psychedelic trance clear for all people

 

Also let me explain I always had

"old school"

"new"

in every genre... The old school simply explains where it came from

 

Ah yes, and one more ps: I know there are many releases which are between 2 genres, you have releases between full on and progressive etc... But it was not possible with that program to add them

 

if you want to see it without the cd-covers:

 

http://img329.imageshack.us/my.php?image=g...derfotos2aj.png

 

[Lost Buddha]

hey jos gr8 post! very interesting

[Guest Le Lotus Bleu]

Anoebis just an advice, better than the cover, put an artist name it would be better, more helpful coz the cover are too small to catch what's written on them

 

Major add or correction: you never mention anything matching with 'Morning'; it's missing.

[zaib]

jos, that's impressive work, but seriously, you're mad

 

and the best artists can't be classified

[Time_Trap]

Planet BEN under Psychedelic Progressive trance? hmm i dont think so

 

also in OLD SKOOL AMBIENT maybe you should include Ambient pioneers such as Vidna Obmana or Robert Rich or Klaus Schultze or Namlook etc...

[Anoebis]

Anoebis just an advice, better than the cover, put an artist name it would be better, more helpful coz the cover are too small to catch what's written on them

 

Major add or correction: you never mention anything matching with 'Morning'; it's missing.

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That I did because "night" and "morning" are very subjective things... I know people that call Derango morning music... while I would call it nightmusic etc...

So I called morning music "melodic", as that is the most typical thing with morning music

 

About names, yeah, I was thinking about that too, next version will have one with names instead of covers (but the problem for me with names is: Astral projection for instance... They are goa trance, but now full on... So which section is right?)

 

@Cesar In this mindmap FOR ME (!!) all the artists can be classified (or at least every track can), that's why there is an option "it doesn't fit anywhere"

[Guest Le Lotus Bleu]

That I did because "night" and "morning" are very subjective things... I know people that call Derango morning music... while I would call it nightmusic etc...

So I called morning music "melodic", as that is the most typical thing with morning music

 

@Cesar In this mindmap FOR ME (!!) all the artists can be classified (or at least every track can), that's why there is an option "it doesn't fit anywhere"

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morning:Silicon sound, Protoculture (full on), Tri-Force (full on but clubbier), Lish (prog)

 

By opposition melodic full on is major part of israeli stuffs + CPU + GMS & some others i don't really care

[Maxx]

nice anoebis........ lol @ "finnish weirdo music" (it just sounds so funny)

[Guest Le Lotus Bleu]

Another thing is missing: the Psy-break category with the V/A Broken (timecode) as example

[Anoebis]

morning:Silicon sound, Protoculture (full on), Tri-Force (full on but clubbier), Lish (prog)

 

By opposition melodic full on is major part of israeli stuffs + CPU + GMS & some others i don't really care 

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I see what you mean But I would place SS and Protoculture in the "melodic Full On" section and Lish in the "melodic progressive" section, Tri-Force is not really known to me

 

So imagine that the word melodic on the picture is "morning"

 

ps: GMS is for me typical full on, just as CPU

But I don't know Full On that well, so maybe I need more branches there... So how would you call them? And what artists make that kind of music?

[Anoebis]

Another thing is missing: the Psy-break category with the V/A Broken (timecode) as example

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Have a look at the experimental branch there is a breakbeat/psy breaks option there

[Guest Le Lotus Bleu]

you should change for morning instead of melodic coz for me the difference between melodic & typical full on is ambiguous, so imagine for a newcommer...

 

by morning it's clear that this kinda sound is played at the end at parties compared to typical full on.

 

Melodic isn't helpfull as all is melodic (more or less) in trance except minimal.

 

 

Anoebis i don't see what's on the cover for your example in trance mixed with jazz-disco, is it Luomuhappo?

[Dajek]

Where are examples of 'psychedelic' trance? as in generic psytrance?

I know it's hard tho..

 

also maybe add general melodic psytrance like pleiadians..

 

EDIT: Dark Goa trance is in 2 places.

 

And 1 more thing... where would you place the album in my avatar?

[Anoebis]

you should change for morning instead of melodic coz for me the difference between melodic & typical full on is ambiguous, so imagine for a newcommer...

 

by morning it's clear that this kinda sound is played at the end at parties compared to typical full on.

 

Melodic isn't helpfull as all is melodic (more or less) in trance except minimal.

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Good point, trance used to be melodic all the time, so ok, next version I will change it to morning...

 

@ Dajek, which artists would you simply call "psychedelic trance"? Isnt there any category they would fit?

 

And The Lone Deranger fits partly in the Typical Goa Trance branche and partly in the Acidic Goa Trance branche (depends on the songs)

The same for IFO, partly typical goa trance (Alcyone!!) and partly acidic goa trance (Taygeta!), and the last track is ambient...

About "dark trance", I know it is mentioned 2 times, but that's where Dark trance had it's existance of course... And putting it only in dark trance is not enough imo as there were quiet alot of dark goa trance releases

(so that Dark old school is really a hard subcategory)

 

@Nick Inzomniac, I'm not really into old school ambient,except for all RTTS releases, so maybe you could help me there, which branches they had back then? What's the difference with todays psychedelic ambient?

[Dajek]

I don't really know anything I would call 'general' psy, but there must be something not Goa/not Full-on/not Experimental/not dark/not Prog...

 

I guess such things still go under 'goa' and the Goa term is actually wider than I have thought.

[Guest Le Lotus Bleu]

For your Yamabiyaka category, indeed i've just one track from them with Jorg , so i'm not specialist, does it look like to SCI Forest (japonese artist on 6d doundz)?

[Anoebis]

For your Yamabiyaka category, indeed i've just one track from them with Jorg , so i'm not specialist, does it look like to SCI Forest (japonese artist on 6d doundz)?

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Yes, Sci Forest fits that category as well

[Guest Le Lotus Bleu]

where do you include Hilight Tribe & Secret Vibes both are ethnic or tribal but not goa, with major part of acoustic elements.

 

i don't like too much your ambient-downtempo-chill branch, first of all if you call it this way , you need to add a chill category so...

secondly downtempo trance is what i call chill (Enthéogenic) & Downtempo is things like Jens Buchert , more electic & less trancey; other views for the ambient-chill are welcome indeed...

I think it's also missing a dubby division (Gabriel Le Mar & Saafi Bros,Ott, Ganja Beats, Youth ...)

[Anoebis]

where do you include Hilight Tribe & Secret Vibes both are ethnic or tribal but not goa, with major part of acoustic elements.

 

i don't like too much your ambient-downtempo-chill branch, first of all if you call it this way , you need to add a chill category so...

secondly downtempo trance is what i call chill (Enthéogenic) & Downtempo is things like Jens Buchert , more electic & less trancey; other views for the ambient-chill are welcome indeed...

I think it's also missing a  dubby division (Gabriel Le Mar & Saafi Bros,Ott, Ganja Beats, Youth ...)

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Well, Highlight Tribe & Secret Vibes do fit in some parts the ethnic goa trance, ethnic progressive (when it is more just a bassline with ethnic elements) or ethnic ambient (as you said). If they make "real" tribal music, without any trance aspects, they do not fit here, as this is not really part of psychedelic trance

 

In the ambient part there should be a dubby section indeed (OTT, East of River Ganges,...)

 

Let me explain my idea of downtempo

Downtempo is all psychedelic music under 125 BPM more or less but with trancy elements

I used to call all beatless music Chill before, but I've changed my mind to "real" ambient This is all personal of course

 

But if some people want to help with Ambient, please write down how you would organise the old school and "new" section

[Time_Trap]

@Nick Inzomniac, I'm not really into old school ambient,except for all RTTS releases, so maybe you could help me there, which branches they had back then? What's the difference with todays psychedelic ambient?

well most of the downtempo stuff released as "psychil/psyambient" is a bit different from ambient made since early 80s, or even earlier , and until very recently... try to listen to some albums by Vir Unis, Steve Roach, Robert Rich , Vidna Obmana, Pete Namlook.... mostly beatless but not necessarily...

 

anyways i cant figure out which albums you have in the other categories e.g Experimental or the (real) beatless category you have ther.e.

[Stalker]

Great topic

 

Its really impressive work

 

May i ask wich album is showed as an example for Dark Minimal?

[~Blue leprechaun~]

well my way of looking to the goa evolution is differnent...

 

no problem with yours mate well done my friend

 

I bet this will score on your CV (kidding)

 

no serious

 

in my big imo goatrance isn't a subgenre of psychedelic trance...

 

goatrance was before psychedelic trance entered...

 

when I started going out and was very young I remember the older ones complaining back in 1998 that everything was to psychedelic trance instead of goatrance...

 

so... but still... I would not put 'psychedelic trance' but just 'goa' in the middle...

 

psychedelic trance had a very short upcoming in 1999 too 2002 but in that period progressive raised like hell + 2003 fullon was breathing hot en steamy at the front door...

 

in my imo there isn't much psytrance released, if I look in my collection from 1992 to 2005 the years 2000 - 2002 are the tinnest + lot's of it is progressive....

 

everything that was released and melodic in the psytrance period was just called sometimes fullon or melodic psytrance that's it...

I remember infected mushroom was the only white cloud in that dark period of progressive basslines and non melodic psychychdelic trance

[Guest Elysium]

goatrance was before psychedelic trance entered...

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I got to agree with you there.

 

Goa or Goatrance came before the term psytrance. And you can not make the term psytrance the main-term over the other subgenres. It's a subgenre itself. It's just not accurate.

 

Actually if you like to be 100% accurate you got to name the term "Trance" as the overall "term" and then split it into subgenres. Because the term "trance" was the earliest definition of our scene. Simply because it all started with the House (that came from Disco) from Detroit and then moved over to the early Trance especially coming out of Germany wherafter it moved to Goa (yes they did not play Goa trance in Goa in the beginning) where it slowly progressed into what we know as goatrance and then later got labeled as psytrance.

 

You are right about one thing Anoebis. The way we define various music and artists into subgenres are highly personal and is the reason why our scene is so split today with almost hate between some groups. Or very little respect for eachothers taste.

 

That's why I don't like all these definitions so much.

Edited December 21, 2005 by Elysium

[Guest Le Lotus Bleu]

agree for Trance as overall term.

 

btw if we start with trance, then in order to be fully exhaustive you may need to add categories such as 'Space' (very first term appeard in the UK in 90 for qualifying the very first trancey productions=> Space was one of the numerous pseudonym of KLF).

Then Chronogically , there's came Trance (early 90's) with a major part of german possee(the vision of shiva 92 ) + Age Of Love (90)+Quazar -Seven Stars(holland)+The Overlords (91).

There's the venue of the acidtrance with Hardfloor (90 or 91).

You've got too the hardtrance or rave side, i mean things like Bonzai releases (Jones & Stephenson 92 or 93), all prod which could released on Rave Mission, let's say Marmion as a big name.

There used to be a short Tribal Trance period in 93 which most representative anthem was Capricorn-20 Hz.

 

For goa it seems the pionneer stuffs camme out in 94 or 93 depends on how you consider Platipus releases , especially the remix of Casper Pound of Union Jack - 2 full Moons & A Troat (93).

[~Blue leprechaun~]

agree for Trance as overall term.

 

btw if we start with trance, then in order to be fully exhaustive you may need to add categories such as 'Space' (very first term appeard in the UK in 90 for qualifying the very first trancey productions=> Space was one of the numerous pseudonym of KLF).

Then Chronogically , there's came Trance (early 90's) with a major part of german possee(the vision of shiva 92 ) + Age Of Love (90)+Quazar -Seven Stars(holland)+The Overlords (91).

There's the venue of the acidtrance with Hardfloor (90 or 91).

You've got too the hardtrance or rave side, i mean things like Bonzai releases (Jones & Stephenson 92 or 93), all prod which could released on Rave Mission, let's say Marmion as a big name.

There used to be a short Tribal Trance period in 93 which most representative anthem was Capricorn-20 Hz.

 

For goa it seems the pionneer stuffs camme out in 94 or 93 depends on how you consider Platipus releases , especially the remix of Casper Pound of  Union Jack - 2 full Moons & A Troat (93).

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isn't the meaning of anoebis to have a view of only psychedelic stuff ???

 

or am I wrong just thinking ?

 

I remember the bonzai releases very good , but that not psychedelic, it's uplifting dance music I guess....