Anoebis Posted March 21, 2006 Author Share Posted March 21, 2006 I still think gow is a bad example of new darkpsy since it's totally not dark nor new (here we go again ).... most darkpsy cd's you have posted are not new (only derango) .... some more up tot date examples would fitt better (cosmo,paranoize vs claw,penta,psyfactor,....) I also don't think that there is something like minimal darkpsy? That cd' you have posted as example has some sorb, shakta, shift and early nrs tracks on it wich is not darkpsy at all ... southafrican trance is dark full on not darkpsy : http://www.psynews.org/forums/index.php?sh...ndpost&p=486285 and I would still name loopus and texas faggott both suomi although loopus is from italy .... but there is a lot of other similar funky disco trance wich is named suomi : haltya/pelinpala tres lost amigos/ puoskari,.... a part from that it looks very accurate and usefull!!! 496230[/snapback] Cool, more input! I will indeed updates some examples (Mubali), specially of the dark music scene, as it seems alive today, it is still evoluating alot! About the minimal darkpsy, Kindzadza for instance is for me minimal darkpsy too, altough it is typical Russian But I will search a little further, maybe I find a better example somewhere in my collection About the Loopus-cd, there is indeed a very small border... Some suomi sounds the same indeed... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anoebis Posted March 21, 2006 Author Share Posted March 21, 2006 i think there's an interesting intersection between dark psy and industrial that is not touched but samples are not aplenty. eitherway nice job anoebis, did you use mind map? 496245[/snapback] Yep, true... good examples are Schlab 003 and Ghreg On earth is pretty industrial too! and I used mind map indeed ps: if someone has a program to make a real tree, let me know, as we can show the progression of the music like that... What was first etc! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lepton Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 rah ^ I think MOST dark psy is minimal .... I also think that cosmo gami sata is totally not minimal more maximal darkpsy .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Cosmogenesis Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 I'm really impressed by your classification of the psychedelic trance music, Anoebis! Congratulations for your great work! But I want to raise objections or make purposes. Maybe I will be totally wrong, and sorry for that. I want to know where do you classify Dimension 5 genre? They have defined themselves like "space techno psychedelic trance" group. Do you think you can make an other branch called something like "space goa" in which you could include some artists like D5, Hunab-Ku, Ra, Chi-a.d., Hara Gobi? Of course, IMO they all belong to the goatrance genre, but I'm not sure we can include them in the oldschool genre, because albums like "Second Phaze" or "To Sirius" are the examples of a certain evolution of the goatrance genre. Correct me if I'm wrong. And in which branch do you include the "scientifical" concept project "Electron Wave"? On the experimental goatrance or psychedelic trance, or in an other category? And finally, I want to ask you if "uplifting" trance would a better denomination of the little pejorative expression "Nitzchonot"? By the way, in nitzchonot genre, IMO there are different subgenres: psychedelic and goa nitzchonot (like Cyan vs Psychomeditation (Transistance 1) or Luminus), "folkloric" or "ethnic" nitzchonot (the last transistance compilations with an awful synth clarinete without psychedelic elements) Maybe the folkloric nitzchonot doesn't belong to the psychedelic trance genre? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ov3rdos3 Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 rah ^ I think MOST dark psy is minimal .... I also think that cosmo gami sata is totally not minimal more maximal darkpsy .... 496266[/snapback] i dunno what style "cosmo - gami sata" is, but damn. its a wicked tune.i just love all the effects. its well put together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Cosmogenesis Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 I'm really impressed by your classification of the psychedelic trance music, Anoebis! Congratulations for your great work! But I want to raise objections or make purposes. Maybe I will be totally wrong, and sorry for that. I want to know where do you classify Dimension 5 genre? They have defined themselves like "space techno psychedelic trance" group. Do you think you can make an other branch called something like "space goa" in which you could include some artists like D5, Hunab-Ku, Ra, Chi-a.d., Hara Gobi? Of course, IMO they all belong to the goatrance genre, but I'm not sure we can include them in the oldschool genre, because albums like "Second Phaze" or "To Sirius" are the examples of a certain evolution of the goatrance genre. Correct me if I'm wrong. And in which branch do you include the "scientifical" concept project "Electron Wave"? On the experimental goatrance or psychedelic trance, or in an other category? And finally, I want to ask you if "uplifting" trance would a better denomination of the little pejorative expression "Nitzchonot"? By the way, in nitzchonot genre, IMO there are different subgenres: psychedelic and goa nitzchonot (like Cyan vs Psychomeditation (Transistance 1) or Luminus), "folkloric" or "ethnic" nitzchonot (the last transistance compilations with an awful synth clarinete without psychedelic elements) Maybe the folkloric nitzchonot doesn't belong to the psychedelic trance genre? 496290[/snapback] And i forgot something: what about Synsun with their "symphonic trance" style? Where would you include it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAH Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 rah ^ I think MOST dark psy is minimal .... I also think that cosmo gami sata is totally not minimal more maximal darkpsy .... 496266[/snapback] perhaps... in that case i might just like the melodic strand of 'dark psy'... penta, naked tourist, ocelot, jellyheadz, para halu, freaking, furious, xenomorph, paranoize, claw, procs, silent horror, derango, kerosene club, etc, etc, etc, i perceive as not minimal... but what i perceive as minimal is mostly lacking some kind of strong melodic theme... and that is what they call night music these days... so i'm just confused and droping the whole issue... we certainly don't need another subdivision Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drosophila Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 rah ^ I think MOST dark psy is minimal .... I also think that cosmo gami sata is totally not minimal more maximal darkpsy .... 496266[/snapback] Its a very broad definition of anything minimal.... hmm I dunno if I can agree I think not! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
traveller Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 If there's Old! australian style then shouldn't there be Old! finnish style too? ..and the full on branch is unnecessary.. it's not psychdelic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxx Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 I think xenomorph´s album should be on the goatrance section instead of the dark psychedelic trance section. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bahamut Posted March 27, 2006 Share Posted March 27, 2006 I think you should include: new ethnic Zimbabwan dark-psy tribal-tek full-on goa-core with folkloric elements and distorted psychedelic penguin sounds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smith Posted April 5, 2006 Share Posted April 5, 2006 LOTS OF TIMED, STOP / STARTS (do you know what I mean?) 'FROMEM ORY' STYLE THat DOOD HAS IT PEGGED. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qa2pir Posted April 10, 2006 Share Posted April 10, 2006 i agree with bahamut. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
makalki Posted July 17, 2006 Share Posted July 17, 2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abasio Posted July 17, 2006 Share Posted July 17, 2006 I think you should include: new ethnic Zimbabwan dark-psy tribal-tek full-on goa-core with folkloric elements and distorted psychedelic penguin sounds 499578[/snapback] I think I heard this sound coming out of a Tokyo Pachinko Parlour. 569739[/snapback] Working on your smily use? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NT Posted July 21, 2006 Share Posted July 21, 2006 The nam shub of enkhi is labeled as Breakbeat trance? Sorry, but that whole album has got nothing to do with trance, and i don't get it why it is popular in the psyscene and why people immediately connect it to 'psytrance'... its just idm/drill n bass... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reger Posted July 21, 2006 Share Posted July 21, 2006 The nam shub of enkhi is labeled as Breakbeat trance? Sorry, but that whole album has got nothing to do with trance, and i don't get it why it is popular in the psyscene and why people immediately connect it to 'psytrance'... its just idm/drill n bass... 572523[/snapback] didnt you know that everything that shiva trancers like is automatically a psytrance ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NT Posted July 22, 2006 Share Posted July 22, 2006 didnt you know that everything that shiva trancers like is automatically a psytrance ? 572667[/snapback] Oh, yes i almost forgot this is a psytrance forum filled with people like that, thanks for the reminder! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reger Posted July 23, 2006 Share Posted July 23, 2006 Oh, yes i almost forgot this is a psytrance forum filled with people like that, thanks for the reminder! 573285[/snapback] youre wellcome Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bricktop Posted August 16, 2006 Share Posted August 16, 2006 Here you have a list I made for a friend, with the entire psychedelic trance splitted in branches and sub-genres... if you want to see it without the cd-covers: http://img329.imageshack.us/my.php?image=g...derfotos2aj.png 401451[/snapback] I greatly appreciate your efforts here! I've been looking for something like this, taking the Psytrance/Goa genre down to the next level. I have found Ishkur's Guide to Electronic Music a great help, but yours takes it one level deeper than that. Instead of the CD covers, I'd like to see 2-4 artists that most represent each sub-sub-genre, and maybe a 2-4 tracks that are exactly in that sub-sub-genre. Thanks for the great work! Cheers, BrickTop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Time_Trap Posted August 17, 2006 Share Posted August 17, 2006 If there's Old! australian style then shouldn't there be Old! finnish style too? ..and the full on branch is unnecessary.. it's not psychdelic 496371[/snapback] Old Aussie style and old finnish style are quite similar ! heheh.. you mean such as Shaolin Wooden Men ,Psyko Disko & generally the Psy-Harmonics style sound eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anoebis Posted August 17, 2006 Author Share Posted August 17, 2006 Old Austrial style and old finnish style are quite similar ! heheh.. you mean such as Shaolin Wooden Men ,Psyko Disko & generally the Psy-Harmonics style sound eh? 588912[/snapback] As I am back from holidays now I will update this thingie pretty soon... and I will add some extra branches, as it was far from complete, I will make another version as well with group names and titles instead of cd covers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qa2pir Posted August 17, 2006 Share Posted August 17, 2006 I personally would think it'd be more helpful if it was more time-centered in the layout and without "new" and "old" branches... But that'd be a completely different project. Maybe someone with great knowledge about psytrance should list like the 50 or 25 best albums, and then sort out the relationship between these albums with simple lines. But as I said, that really doesn't belong here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agneton Posted August 17, 2006 Share Posted August 17, 2006 And finally, I want to ask you if "uplifting" trance would a better denomination of the little pejorative expression "Nitzchonot"? By the way, in nitzchonot genre, IMO there are different subgenres: psychedelic and goa nitzchonot (like Cyan vs Psychomeditation (Transistance 1) or Luminus), "folkloric" or "ethnic" nitzchonot (the last transistance compilations with an awful synth clarinete without psychedelic elements) Maybe the folkloric nitzchonot doesn't belong to the psychedelic trance genre? 496290[/snapback] In fact, yes, Nitzhonot music can be divided into two sub-categcories. First of al, we have the real old Nitzhonot stuff, the music that invaded the clubs in Israel during 1998 and 1999 and dried out after this period. Think of guys like Syntezia aka Stargate, Iceman, the first two Cyan albums, Holymen, Eyal Barkan & Oren Barkan aka Reverse Psychology, D-Zager, Syndrome, old Astrix, Luminus, Kintaro,... Before Nitzhonot died entirely in 2000, it managed to escape to Greece, where it saw a new birth under the name of 'Uplifting'. This music stands further from Goa Trance than Nitzhonot, as the oriental melodies fall away completely. A typical Uplifting track contains heroic, epic, over-the-top-cheezy- melodies that are often linked with ancient Greek myths (that's why people often refer to it as the 'Hellenistic style'), a fat pulsating laser-bass and apart from that, not much (: ... Heroes in this scene are Darma, Lennox, Star Children, Zodiac, Oxydow, x-Men, Dementia, Zillion, Mendark... But it seems that, although Uplifting staid steady until 2004, this music is disappearing too. In 2005, the last official compilation came out under the name of Transistance 11, and it was only a mediocre success. Uplifting still gets some attention in Athens and in Bulgaria, but the scene mainly has gone "underground", ore "dead". Cyan quit the scene in 2003 after a last album, for example. I hope this information will be added, because not much people seem to know the Uplifting scene. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Cosmogenesis Posted August 18, 2006 Share Posted August 18, 2006 In fact, yes, Nitzhonot music can be divided into two sub-categcories. First of al, we have the real old Nitzhonot stuff, the music that invaded the clubs in Israel during 1998 and 1999 and dried out after this period. Think of guys like Syntezia aka Stargate, Iceman, the first two Cyan albums, Holymen, Eyal Barkan & Oren Barkan aka Reverse Psychology, D-Zager, Syndrome, old Astrix, Luminus, Kintaro,... Before Nitzhonot died entirely in 2000, it managed to escape to Greece, where it saw a new birth under the name of 'Uplifting'. This music stands further from Goa Trance than Nitzhonot, as the oriental melodies fall away completely. A typical Uplifting track contains heroic, epic, over-the-top-cheezy- melodies that are often linked with ancient Greek myths (that's why people often refer to it as the 'Hellenistic style'), a fat pulsating laser-bass and apart from that, not much (: ... Heroes in this scene are Darma, Lennox, Star Children, Zodiac, Oxydow, x-Men, Dementia, Zillion, Mendark... But it seems that, although Uplifting staid steady until 2004, this music is disappearing too. In 2005, the last official compilation came out under the name of Transistance 11, and it was only a mediocre success. Uplifting still gets some attention in Athens and in Bulgaria, but the scene mainly has gone "underground", ore "dead". Cyan quit the scene in 2003 after a last album, for example. I hope this information will be added, because not much people seem to know the Uplifting scene. 588965[/snapback] Very good and clear explanations about the nitzchonot genre, man. I completely agree with you I hope it will help this actual uncompleted but great classification of the psychedelic trance music, presented in this topic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.