Deepdrone Posted December 20, 2005 Share Posted December 20, 2005 I opened it as I saw in the other thread "..Ott produces standart dub....", please explain this thing and about Dub altogether. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherlockalien Posted December 20, 2005 Share Posted December 20, 2005 you dont know whats dub? or you want to know why ott´s music is dub? or you want to know why is it standard dub? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~Blue leprechaun~ Posted December 20, 2005 Share Posted December 20, 2005 well I'm dub freak and can tell you hallucinogen in dub has nothing to do with dub at all... still nice cd... what is dub ??? it has the fast slow pumping basslines like reggea, ragga but no singing or maybe sometimes... it's rather minimal but you have full dub too... to put it into perspective it's in the reggea, ragga, ska atmosphere... the treble sound they use are always very slow and they use a lot of echos... that's the main mark of dub... the wooooooooooonooooooooooowooooong but dub can very uplifting too for example zion train is dub sytle with upliftting basslines... I have a huge collection of dub but it's winter, dub is for in the summer.... and to connect it with drugs it's like THE music for blowers... very floathing, slow, hard bassline, not annoying, very predictible... if you want some good dub names ??? shoot ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Time_Trap Posted December 20, 2005 Share Posted December 20, 2005 and to connect it with drugs it's like THE music for blowers... blowing what? btw pretty accurate description i would say... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dajek Posted December 20, 2005 Share Posted December 20, 2005 I want some good dub names.. been mostly listenign to only psy dub and the dubbish chillout to date, but would be interested in venturing further into the original dubsound Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~Blue leprechaun~ Posted December 20, 2005 Share Posted December 20, 2005 I want some good dub names.. been mostly listenign to only psy dub and the dubbish chillout to date, but would be interested in venturing further into the original dubsound 401519[/snapback] mmmmm psy dub... that a nice name of course... well it is psychedelic dub imo... so... I'll post some names tomorrow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vitali Posted December 20, 2005 Share Posted December 20, 2005 Its like reggae Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~Blue leprechaun~ Posted December 20, 2005 Share Posted December 20, 2005 Its like reggae 401523[/snapback] mmmmm I'm a reggea, ragga, dub, ska, fan and I understand your opinion but for a huge fan and listener the difference is like huge... it's the same atmosphere but that's it... totally different approach of creating sounds and effect to the listener Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest djnemo Posted December 20, 2005 Share Posted December 20, 2005 Actually, dub came before Reggae, but thats besides the point. Basically it comes from when so called jamaican artists made recordings, and instead of recording everything at once, they 'dubbed' the recordings. But the story is very long, and it could go on for many many pages of discussions/argumentation (Because there are people that say that dub came much later than reggae). Anyways, have a listen to some of Linton Kwesi Johnson's stuff in your favourite shop, its good quality dub/dub poetry from Ingland have a look here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dub_music it totally contradicts what I have written, but it will give you a little bit of an overview. Sorry that i am not going too deep into this, but as I said before, its a discussion that needs time, and it needs a lot of history explaining, which I dont have time for at the moment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vitali Posted December 20, 2005 Share Posted December 20, 2005 mmmmm I'm a reggea, ragga, dub, ska, fan and I understand your opinion but for a huge fan and listener the difference is like huge... it's the same atmosphere but that's it... totally different approach of creating sounds and effect to the listener 401524[/snapback] yes indeed i know the difference is that dub is kinda electronic music .. or im not right .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
furthur Posted December 20, 2005 Share Posted December 20, 2005 King Tubby Burning Spear Black Uhuru Bill Laswell Mad Professor Scientist Lee Scratch Perry The Aggrovators Augustus Pablo enough to get you started Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
furthur Posted December 20, 2005 Share Posted December 20, 2005 also mci released an anthology called dub chill out in 96 which is a great intro to classic dub with several of the above names making appearances Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~Blue leprechaun~ Posted December 20, 2005 Share Posted December 20, 2005 Actually, dub came before Reggae, but thats besides the point. Basically it comes from when so called jamaican artists made recordings, and instead of recording everything at once, they 'dubbed' the recordings. But the story is very long, and it could go on for many many pages of discussions/argumentation (Because there are people that say that dub came much later than reggae). Anyways, have a listen to some of Linton Kwesi Johnson's stuff in your favourite shop, its good quality dub/dub poetry from Ingland have a look here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dub_music it totally contradicts what I have written, but it will give you a little bit of an overview. Sorry that i am not going too deep into this, but as I said before, its a discussion that needs time, and it needs a lot of history explaining, which I dont have time for at the moment 401527[/snapback] yés dub is the bassline and the beginning of all... the rest just envolved into other directions... ska is even older then dub you know, but that's also a long story... yes indeed i know the difference is that dub is kinda electronic music .. or im not right .. 401530[/snapback] yés it's a combinatin of djémbes and stuff and electronic sounds like the typical echoos are off course electronic... but you should know how many reggea and ragga artist use little electronic sounds to keep the atmosphere up... more then you think... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vitali Posted December 20, 2005 Share Posted December 20, 2005 Linton Kwesi Johnson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest djnemo Posted December 20, 2005 Share Posted December 20, 2005 yés dub is the bassline and the beginning of all... the rest just envolved into other directions... ska is even older then dub you know, but that's also a long story... 401534[/snapback] Totally agreed My parents are very big fans of all the genres, and I have been brought up with the music in the 70s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest djnemo Posted December 20, 2005 Share Posted December 20, 2005 Linton Kwesi Johnson 401536[/snapback] Didnt I say that?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~Blue leprechaun~ Posted December 20, 2005 Share Posted December 20, 2005 my experience with collecting dub many years is that compilations are the best... dub from the same artist can get boring very fast... but I have some really nice compilations with lot's of varation in... go for the compilations... my advice Totally agreed My parents are very big fans of all the genres, and I have been brought up with the music in the 70s 401538[/snapback] ska rules... THE SKATALITES are like woooooooow...saw them live super Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmtree Posted December 20, 2005 Share Posted December 20, 2005 Augustus Pablo is nice. Also try Twilight Circus Dub Sound System Manasseh Alpha Omega Bush Chemists Scientist for the roots, King Tubby, Lee Perry, and Mad Professor are the holy Trinity of traditional Jamaican dub.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The Journey Man Project Posted December 20, 2005 Share Posted December 20, 2005 Dub is a form of Jamaican music, which evolved out of ska and reggae in 1970s Jamaica. The dub reggae sound includes adding extensive echo and reverb effects to an existing music piece, sometimes accompanied by snatches of the lyrics from the original version. Dub is characterized as a "version" of an existing song, typically emphasizing the drums and bass for a sound popular in local Sound Systems. The instrumental tracks are typically drenched in sound processing effects such as echo, reverb, part vocal and extra percussion, with most of the lead instruments and vocals dropping in and out of the mix. The music sometimes features processed sound effects and other noises, such as animal sounds, babies crying, and producers shouting instructions at the musicians. It can be further augmented by live DJs. These versions are mostly instrumental, sometimes including snippets of the original vocal version. Often these tracks are used for "Toasters" rapping heavily-rhymed and alliterative lyrics. These are called "DeeJay Versions". As opposed to hip hop terminology, in reggae music the person with the microphone is called the "DJ" (elsewhere called the "MC", for master of ceremonies), while the person choosing the music and operating the turntables is the "Selector" (elsewhere called the DJ). A major reason for producing multiple versions was economic: A record producer could use a recording he owned to produce numerous versions from a single studio session. Version was also an opportunity for a producer or remix engineer to experiment and vent their more creative side. The version was typically the B-side of a single, with the A-side dedicated to making a popular hit, and B-side for experimenting and providing something for DJs to talk over. In the 1970s whole albums of dub tracks were produced, often simply the dub version of an existing vocal LP, but sometimes a selection of dubbed up instrumental tracks for which no vocals existed. See in particular the works of King Tubby, who is widely recognized as the originator of dub music, although some (including himself) claim that Lee Perry was the inventor of this genre. Other significant artists include: Errol Thompson, Prince Jammy, Keith Hudson and Augustus Pablo, who produced some of the very best in dub music in the 1970s. Dub music began to evolve as genre on its own particularly with audiences outside of Jamaica. Dub has progressed from that point to this, its popularity waxing and waning with changes in musical fashion. Almost all reggae singles still carry an instrumental version on the b side and these are still used by the sound systems as a blank canvas for live singers and djs. In the 1980s, Britain became a new center for dub production with Mad Professor and Jah Shaka being the most famous, while Scientist became the heavyweight champion of Jamaican dub. It was also the time when dub made its influence known in the work of harder edged, experimental producers such as Adrian Sherwood and the roster of artists on his On-U Sound label. In the 1990s and beyond dub has been influenced by and in turn influenced techno, jungle, drum and bass, house music, trip hop, ambient music, and hip hop, with many electronic dub tracks produced by nontraditional musicians from these other genres. Musicians such as Massive Attack, Bauhaus, The Clash, PiL, The Orb, Rhythm & Sound, Pole, Underworld, DeFacto and others demonstrate clear dub influences in their respective genres, and their innovations have in turn influenced the mainstream of the dub genre. In the UK, Europe, Japan and America independent record producers are making dub . DJs appeared towards the end of the 1990s who specialised in playing music by these musicians, such as the UK's Unity Dub. Traditional dub has, however, survived (see Aba Shanti-I, for example) and some of the originators like Lee Perry and Mad Professor continue to produce new material. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest djnemo Posted December 20, 2005 Share Posted December 20, 2005 Dub is a form of Jamaican music, which evolved out of ska and reggae in 1970s Jamaica. The dub reggae sound includes adding extensive echo and reverb effects to an existing music piece, sometimes accompanied by snatches of the lyrics from the original version. Dub is characterized as a "version" of an existing song, typically emphasizing the drums and bass for a sound popular in local Sound Systems. The instrumental tracks are typically drenched in sound processing effects such as echo, reverb, part vocal and extra percussion, with most of the lead instruments and vocals dropping in and out of the mix. The music sometimes features processed sound effects and other noises, such as animal sounds, babies crying, and producers shouting instructions at the musicians. It can be further augmented by live DJs. These versions are mostly instrumental, sometimes including snippets of the original vocal version. Often these tracks are used for "Toasters" rapping heavily-rhymed and alliterative lyrics. These are called "DeeJay Versions". As opposed to hip hop terminology, in reggae music the person with the microphone is called the "DJ" (elsewhere called the "MC", for master of ceremonies), while the person choosing the music and operating the turntables is the "Selector" (elsewhere called the DJ). A major reason for producing multiple versions was economic: A record producer could use a recording he owned to produce numerous versions from a single studio session. Version was also an opportunity for a producer or remix engineer to experiment and vent their more creative side. The version was typically the B-side of a single, with the A-side dedicated to making a popular hit, and B-side for experimenting and providing something for DJs to talk over. In the 1970s whole albums of dub tracks were produced, often simply the dub version of an existing vocal LP, but sometimes a selection of dubbed up instrumental tracks for which no vocals existed. See in particular the works of King Tubby, who is widely recognized as the originator of dub music, although some (including himself) claim that Lee Perry was the inventor of this genre. Other significant artists include: Errol Thompson, Prince Jammy, Keith Hudson and Augustus Pablo, who produced some of the very best in dub music in the 1970s. Dub music began to evolve as genre on its own particularly with audiences outside of Jamaica. Dub has progressed from that point to this, its popularity waxing and waning with changes in musical fashion. Almost all reggae singles still carry an instrumental version on the b side and these are still used by the sound systems as a blank canvas for live singers and djs. In the 1980s, Britain became a new center for dub production with Mad Professor and Jah Shaka being the most famous, while Scientist became the heavyweight champion of Jamaican dub. It was also the time when dub made its influence known in the work of harder edged, experimental producers such as Adrian Sherwood and the roster of artists on his On-U Sound label. In the 1990s and beyond dub has been influenced by and in turn influenced techno, jungle, drum and bass, house music, trip hop, ambient music, and hip hop, with many electronic dub tracks produced by nontraditional musicians from these other genres. Musicians such as Massive Attack, Bauhaus, The Clash, PiL, The Orb, Rhythm & Sound, Pole, Underworld, DeFacto and others demonstrate clear dub influences in their respective genres, and their innovations have in turn influenced the mainstream of the dub genre. In the UK, Europe, Japan and America independent record producers are making dub . DJs appeared towards the end of the 1990s who specialised in playing music by these musicians, such as the UK's Unity Dub. Traditional dub has, however, survived (see Aba Shanti-I, for example) and some of the originators like Lee Perry and Mad Professor continue to produce new material. 401551[/snapback] Thanks for putting the whole wiki, which I had already posted a link to, here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The Journey Man Project Posted December 20, 2005 Share Posted December 20, 2005 That's ok if the mods don't like it they can deleted it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
furthur Posted December 20, 2005 Share Posted December 20, 2005 but you should know how many reggea and ragga artist use little electronic sounds to keep the atmosphere up... more then you think... 401534[/snapback] my understanding is that ragga is reggae with electronics Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agia_igoumeni Posted December 20, 2005 Share Posted December 20, 2005 dub music is more trippy & psychedelic than nowdays psy-trance...it's a fact Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatsu Posted December 20, 2005 Share Posted December 20, 2005 dub music is more trippy & psychedelic than nowdays psy-trance...it's a fact 401580[/snapback] Once again a personal opinion is called fact... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
furthur Posted December 21, 2005 Share Posted December 21, 2005 Once again a personal opinion is called fact... 401583[/snapback] are you implying that some facts are not opinions, personal or collective? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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