Guest stringtheory Posted July 10, 2002 Share Posted July 10, 2002 Come on people, Why is there so much narrow mindedness on this forum. It is like if new psy-trance albums don't have this old school style everyone yaps about, then it is automatically crap. I think alot of people are not probing these new albums deeply enough. B.P. Empire is remarkable. X-Dream:Irritant is remarkable. Who gives two shits as to whether or not it is minimal or full on. The style is irrelevant. What IS relevant, is the quality of the work. How the tracks are structured, what the artist is trying to do with each track. Logic Bomb:Unlimited is also amazing. It is INNOVATIVE. Not just the same stuff over and over again. I mean damn, I like the direction psy-trance is going. I don't care about minimal or full on, I just want to hear innovation, quality production, and quality ideas and concepts. Or how about Dark Soho: Sunspot ?? That is one the most interesting albums I have ever heard. Or how about KoxBox:The Great Unknown. That is an amazing album. It is very different in concept and structure, so what! What about Sphongle:Tales of The Inexpressible ?? That is an incredible, complex, beautiful album. But it is also very different than your traditional psytrance sound. Again, who cares! There is alot of wonderful older psytrance, there is alot of wonderful newer psytrance, and there will be alot of wonderful psytrance in the future. Who cares what style the albums are similiar too. Judge each album individually, on its own merits! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Setsuko Posted July 10, 2002 Share Posted July 10, 2002 yeah !!! no , serious ... if you realy like something , spread your energy ... if you hate something .. give constructive or even destructive criticism .. who cares .. free speech and indeed the future looks very good imo :-) new influences , fresh funky grooves , new crystal clear filtered synthsounds .. samples and structures ... psytrance is sooooooooooooooo addictive , many people say there aren't enough good releases but from my point of view it's just amazing what beauties are released nowadays ... for innovation try MPDQX ... they just do what they want to do , not trying to find out the best way to make money like many others do ... they release quality psy :-) also spiral Trax , for some it is a bit more mainstream but good music is good music .... just listen :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gorgonator Posted July 10, 2002 Share Posted July 10, 2002 Hey stringtheory, I thought I told u to goto to WWW.BRITNEYSPEARS.COM Do it now or ill banish you to the WORLD OF PAGAN !! Bom W***er.............. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strumpling Posted July 10, 2002 Share Posted July 10, 2002 Stringtheory, I'd hate to start a minimal vs. full-on argument (AGAIN!) but you'd said: "Who gives two shits as to whether or not it is minimal or full on." Honestly, I give FIVE shits! IMO almost ALL minimal psy I've heard has felt empty, and I find myself adding stuff to it with my brain, thinking "damn this is pretty nice but there could be so much more here!! what a shame." Believe me, I TRY to like it, because many of you guys SWEAR by minimal, but it just doesn't seem to.... "work" for me. -=- Matt/Strumpling -=- other than that, Preach on muh man!!! Amen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stringtheory Posted July 11, 2002 Share Posted July 11, 2002 Gorgonator: I cannot stand Britney Spears, and all pop music for that matter. Pop music is only about selling records, nothing more. It is shit. To My Dog Strump: Sorry I never emailed you friend, I dont have an email addy. My family shares the pc, and the email addy is already taken. When you say you don't like the minimal sound, I respect your opinion, because I have no doubt that you really listened thorougly to the music, and just didn't like it. And that is cool man, because everyone is not into the same stuff. But it seems like alot of people reject newer releases without giving them a fair shake. To me, it is all psytrance. Minimal or full on, I dont care, I am just interested in the quality of the music. Setsuko: Right on man!! Psytrance is sooo amazing !! No limitations. Creativity to the extreme!! It is very addictive!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stringtheory Posted July 11, 2002 Share Posted July 11, 2002 Gorgonator: Like I said before, Grow Up. We disagree over Astral Projection, so what. Is that how you react anytime you have a disagreement with someone ?? If so, you really need to further develop your people skills. The AP post was mainly a response to the minimal, full on debate. In my mind, AP is more minimal, because of the sameness evident in their work. I was trying to get a joking debate going, you need to chill out boss, not me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gorgonator Posted July 11, 2002 Share Posted July 11, 2002 Sorry again stringtheory, way to much beer last night ! No offence m8, just a bit of English humour !! Bom Shanker !! Some of Brintneys choons are o.k, honest.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jonathan Posted July 11, 2002 Share Posted July 11, 2002 hey Strump. What Minimal have you heard that made you hate it so much? Have you heard any Shiva Chandra, Son Kite, Reefer Decree? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Elysium Project Posted July 11, 2002 Share Posted July 11, 2002 Eventhough I agree with you stringtheory (that it's not important what the genre is) I could also turn it round. Why is it so important for the minimal lovers to convince the goa lovers to like minimal? Luckely for me I love lot's of different music. I do not agree with you when you say that Pop only is about selling records. That's a very one way direction of looking at music. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stringtheory Posted July 11, 2002 Share Posted July 11, 2002 I agree with you Elysium. It is not important for the minimal lovers to convince the Goa lovers or vice versa. I was trying to convince people to give some of the newer releases a fair chance, and not just dismiss them before really diving into them. As for the pop thing, you and I will never agree on that. Pop music is a sales pitch. Nothing redeeming, or remotely interesting about it. The entire purpose of Pop is to promote an image, and then sell that image. The music has no relevance in that equation. And because most people follow the trends, they automatically latch on to what is the new, cool thing. I have no respect for pop music whatsoever. But hey, different strokes for different folks. If that is what a person wants to listen to, more power to them. I just know that I have no interest at all in pop music of any kind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mijis Posted July 11, 2002 Share Posted July 11, 2002 AP sucks anyway , i spend about 20 bucks in the AP in the mix and it sucks big Astral P in the mix is the worst album in my cds collection , sorry i just wanted to say that . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Full Lotus Posted July 12, 2002 Share Posted July 12, 2002 psychedelia is about being open minded amongst other things.....and the thing about psychedelic music is, it can be from any genre, not just trance. All this minimal vs full on bores the crap out me, as I happen to like both. People should learn to live and let live. As for pop music, I thought pop stands for popular. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest PsiLoCyBe Posted July 12, 2002 Share Posted July 12, 2002 I really don't understand the pathetic genre nazi mentality to try and convince one another that minimal is better than full on or vice versa ... What's the point ?? Fuk that ! I think listeners/fans have forgotten that these people are ARTISTS ... Fucking hell - Emil Nolde didn't paint what people back then wanted to see ... he was an artist - and artistic impression applied then ... Today it should still apply to an artist - be it in what ever art form is presented !! But no ... "The Genre Nazi's" have taken over ... ppffftt ... "It's not old skool enough" "Minimal is shit" "Full on is crap" "Where is the old Goa sound" ............ Are you ever fucking happy ? I hate genre Nazi's ...... so fucking close minded and to imature to realise the wealth of talent across many non existent borders. Dissing genre's is just not an intellegent thing to do. The intellegent thing to do is rather not listen and/or associate with that which you do not like. No one is forcing it down your throat ! The choice is there. Make it, but be respectfull enough to artists to not come with pathetic lines like "they suck" ... Fucking hell - how old are you ? Your opion is yours ... and the world is free ... But a wise man once said ... "If you have nothing good to say .... Then say nothing" *************************************************** This post was not directed to anyone in particular coz I don't know or communicate with many on a regular basis - it's merely and observation turned to thoughts ... and now to words - badly, but it's of my chest. *************************************************** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strumpling Posted July 12, 2002 Share Posted July 12, 2002 Jonathan, hehe dude you totally misread me I definitely don't "hate" minimal - I just don't LOVE it as much as some of the more...... "crowded" music I'm into. I just really enjoy being overwhelmed with sound, and having to listen to an album 3,478,563,458,934,652,345 times before I can fully see what the artist was doing. Minimal is a great way to turn people onto psychedelic trance, IMO, because theres not as much "noise" so the listener doesn't need to keep track of so many things at once. I don't hate minimal; I just love the more full stuff even more. And yes, I've heard all three of those artists. Hey its all better than the pop stuff of today. -=- Matt/Strumpling -=- I'd even call myself a minimal "Fan" due to Son Kite's work, but my brain likes more more more more faster faster faster faster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stringtheory Posted July 13, 2002 Share Posted July 13, 2002 PsiLoCyBe: I agree 110% That is exactly what I have been trying to say. I see alot of people dissmissing albums just because they have a preconception about what style it is, minimal or full on. Who cares. It is about the quality of the album, not the style. And to My buddie MC Strump A Lot!, I know what you are saying man. I love albums that after many listens, you still keep discovering new things ! That is wicked cool! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stringtheory Posted July 13, 2002 Share Posted July 13, 2002 As for My statement about AP being minimal, is was not to spark a debate as to whether minimal or full on is better, because neither style is better, it is all psytrance. I made that statement because I was analyzing AP's style, and relating that to current ideas of what is considered minimal. To me, if one thinks of something as minimal, I would think of a lack of complexity. To me, that Describes AP. Some people think of minimal as a lack of sounds. But to me, something can be very subtle, and yet very complex. i.e. B.P. Empire... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest PsiLoCyBe Posted July 13, 2002 Share Posted July 13, 2002 I'm glad someone actually took the time to read what I wrote ... But I'm serious ... All these people preach their Bom's and their PLUR's but yet it's all so divided and a big mess of dissing this guy and that guy and this style and that ... Where's the love ? Understanding ? Repsect ? U N I T Y ????? It's childish and imature to argue the way most of the people on this site do ... over what is better and wotnot ... Sad. Very fucking SAD! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mugge Posted July 14, 2002 Share Posted July 14, 2002 So that how openminded you people are... i hate pop, i can't stand Brittney Spears, blah blah., but i'm narrowminded enough to only like psy/goa/minimal/maximal/progressive/wanker/whateveritisaslongasitisclassifiedasTRANCE... long live Brittney. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jonathan Posted July 14, 2002 Share Posted July 14, 2002 well Strump I guess I did misread you. Keep being open minded. If you are looking for the next classic progressive CD go get Digiboga's "Crosslinks" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strumpling Posted July 15, 2002 Share Posted July 15, 2002 Digiboga - Crosslinks K I'll keep an eye out for it -=- Matt/Strumpling -=- thx for the tip :-D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stringtheory Posted July 15, 2002 Share Posted July 15, 2002 Mugge, that was lame. No need to start calling names. And my topic of openmindedness was in reference to psytrance, and the division of minimal vs. full on. As to other music, I listen to everything with an open mind. And if something is good, regardless of genre, I will give it respect. I DO NOT DISMISS IT BEFORE I REALLY LISTEN TO IT CLOSELY. Nobody is saying anyone has to like everything. I was saying be openminded enough to not dismiss something without giving it a fair chance. Some genres of music are very greedy, and completely sales driven. That is not an unfounded statement. Take a close look at the pop record industry and you will see the attempt to create the next new big thing, all the time. Music is secondary in their equation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest m Posted July 16, 2002 Share Posted July 16, 2002 I enjoy both, but prefer minimal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ibotenic Posted July 16, 2002 Share Posted July 16, 2002 stringtheory: Remember, pop can also mean independent pop, powerpop, etc.. Maybe the expression you're looking for is 'popularity-whoring music produced for a target-audience' or something like that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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