Anoebis Posted May 19, 2006 Share Posted May 19, 2006 E-mantra? 530879[/snapback] And Sneila! Otto Matta said some interesting things indeed, I nindeed think your surrounding has influence on your music... ka Sol for instance lives next to a real Trollish forests and works in nature all day, Kluster lives in the middle of the forest etc... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemmiwinks Posted May 19, 2006 Share Posted May 19, 2006 And Sneila! Otto Matta said some interesting things indeed, I nindeed think your surrounding has influence on your music... ka Sol for instance lives next to a real Trollish forests and works in nature all day, Kluster lives in the middle of the forest etc... 530892[/snapback] well... Ollie Olsen lives in the middle of the Australian jungle but you never hear people describe Space Tribe as "jungle trance" PS E-Mantra's track on Sinister Sunrise is killaaarghhh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anoebis Posted May 19, 2006 Share Posted May 19, 2006 well... Ollie Olsen lives in the middle of the Australian jungle but you never hear people describe Space Tribe as "jungle trance" PS E-Mantra's track on Sinister Sunrise is killaaarghhh 530914[/snapback] Well, his emptiness album is extremely organic, maybe that's the jungle influence, héhé Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemmiwinks Posted May 19, 2006 Share Posted May 19, 2006 OOOPS... big mistake... I meant Olli Wisdom of course, sorry about that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Posted May 19, 2006 Author Share Posted May 19, 2006 I've noticed that I tend not to like music from England, for instance. I don't quite relate to Hallucinogen or Green Nuns or Cosmosis, etc. Their music seems very noisy to me, but noisy with a kind of over-the-top precision that makes it annoying to me. It's very analytical, like their philosophy, but as such lacks heart. Again, this is a generalization, and a biased one at that, but I've put some thought into it and am trying to give as simple an answer as possible. Scandinavian music, on the other hand, because I am very much affiliated with the region, sounds much more like home to me. And one thing that Scandinavian culture is very much in touch with is their forests. It's a large part of their folklore, and you see a lot of it in Norse-based legends, and stories based on those legends like Lord of the Rings, for instance. It's in their blood and their daily life. You can't grow up in Scandinavia without learning the mythology, and kids' books are full of trolls and elves and gnomes and stuff. Even Christmas is more foresty than I've seen elsewhere. Their Santa is a forest Santa. True, I didn't grow up in Scandinavia, but I grew up with the culture in my home, and have visited many times, and have walked into the forests and felt their magic. 530868[/snapback] What a load of nonsense. You don't like British trance because it's 'noisy' and 'lacks heart' and you like Scandinavaian trance because it's in touch with it's 'forest noises'. Sorry, Otto, but that's quite possibly the stupidest thing I've seen you post which is surprising considering you're an intelligent person. I mean talk about sweeping generalisations. Geez. I'll wager folklore and mythology featuring elves, gnomes, pixies and trolls is as much a part of the English culture as it is anyone's culture, possibly even more so, I suggest you do a little research, maybe ask a few of the English members about it, see what they tell you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ov3rdos3 Posted May 19, 2006 Share Posted May 19, 2006 I'll wager folklore and mythology featuring elves, gnomes, pixies and trolls is as much a part of the English culture as it is anyone's culture, possibly even more so, I suggest you do a little research, maybe ask a few of the English members about it, see what they tell you. 531039[/snapback] Exactly. Lets not forget that Lord of the Rings was written as English folklore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reger Posted May 19, 2006 Share Posted May 19, 2006 (edited) And I honestly think the forests creep into the music of Scandinavia. And it might also be true that only Scandinavians can hear it, since they're the ones who hold that knowledge in their blood. So maybe it doesn't mean anything to you because you're from somewhere else. Belgium, right? Do you find you relate more to Belgian music? 530868[/snapback] that is total bullshit, it has nothing to do with where do you come from or where you live. hey this gives me an idea actually, maybe I'll gather the funds to release the first Romanian trance comp... call it something like "Vampire trance" since foreigners always associate Romania with vampires 530870[/snapback] hehe, true... And Sneila! Otto Matta said some interesting things indeed, I nindeed think your surrounding has influence on your music... ka Sol for instance lives next to a real Trollish forests and works in nature all day, Kluster lives in the middle of the forest etc... 530892[/snapback] so what?! i live in the center of the capital city, in case i start to produce music should i call it urban trance? that imo is nonsense, all this "i wanna live in forest and make forest trance" sounds childish and artificial imo, music come from within. yes surroundings affect you, but lets stay true to ourselfes and not exageratte. [im talking in general about whole this attitude towards "forest trance"] I'll wager folklore and mythology featuring elves, gnomes, pixies and trolls is as much a part of the English culture as it is anyone's culture, possibly even more so, I suggest you do a little research, maybe ask a few of the English members about it, see what they tell you. 531039[/snapback] yup, every nation have its own myths, folkore, fairytales, creatures. the way i see this "forest trance" labeling is simple - its marketing, perfect marketing strategy . note that i am not talking about music itself, im talking about fuss around it and about all those who are so fascinated about this forest thingie, place actually doesnt matter, its your imagination that comes first, then comes place. too big accent on place i say. Edited May 19, 2006 by reger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Posted May 19, 2006 Author Share Posted May 19, 2006 Hey reger, next time we see Otto, you hold him down and I'll punch him in the face. We'll teach him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reger Posted May 19, 2006 Share Posted May 19, 2006 Hey reger, next time we see Otto, you hold him down and I'll punch him in the face. We'll teach him. 531091[/snapback] ok , i got it, but wouldnt kick in teh nutz be better ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Posted May 19, 2006 Author Share Posted May 19, 2006 ok , i got it, but wouldnt kick in teh nutz be better ? 531160[/snapback] We'll do that too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reger Posted May 19, 2006 Share Posted May 19, 2006 We'll do that too. 531165[/snapback] cool, smack in the face and kick in the nuts... omelet anyone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otto Matta Posted May 19, 2006 Share Posted May 19, 2006 What a load of nonsense. You don't like British trance because it's 'noisy' and 'lacks heart' and you like Scandinavaian trance because it's in touch with it's 'forest noises'. Sorry, Otto, but that's quite possibly the stupidest thing I've seen you post which is surprising considering you're an intelligent person. I mean talk about sweeping generalisations. Geez. I'll wager folklore and mythology featuring elves, gnomes, pixies and trolls is as much a part of the English culture as it is anyone's culture, possibly even more so, I suggest you do a little research, maybe ask a few of the English members about it, see what they tell you. 531039[/snapback] Charlie, how could it be nonsense when I loaded my post with disclaimers like "I feel" and "I believe" and "this is a biased generalization"? I knew it wouldn't go over well with some, and therefore I prepared it that way. To say what you did is unexpectedly unkind. I'm telling you the truth when I say that when I listen to music - which I obviously do a lot - I find it uncanny that I tend to enjoy the Scandinavian sound - and this is important - even before I know it's made by a Scandinavian. I've wondered a lot why that is. And I've also wondered a lot about why I tend not to like trance from England. I don't know the right answer, but it has been my suspicion that somehow the culture and environment of a songwriter slips into his or her music. I don't find this idea vastly difficult to believe, but it is still somewhat ambiguous and abstract, hence the disclaimers. And yes Great Britian and Scandinavia are relatively close to each other and share a lot of similarities. But there are differences, too, not only in the past but also in the present. Some vast differences. All I'm saying is that these differences might just be making an appearance in the music. I hear the forest sound. I know it when I hear it. And it is - for some reason - some of my favorite music of all time. Other people absolutely hate it. That baffles me, but it probably baffles some people that I don't like Hallucinogen's music as well, and tend to hear a sound resembling overly analytical, heartless, evil clown music, so I really can't judge people for their taste (although I'll kid them about it). I'm sorry if you found my post offensive. I tried very hard not to make it seem that way, but to make it clear that it was an idea/opinion I've been formulating over time based on my personal experiences. Now feck off, you bloody twat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faze Posted May 19, 2006 Share Posted May 19, 2006 I don't like Hallucinogen's music as well, and tend to hear a sound resembling overly analytical, heartless, evil clown music, 531295[/snapback] Hahahaha. Best...description...ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seraph Posted May 19, 2006 Share Posted May 19, 2006 I don't like Hallucinogen's music as well, and tend to hear a sound resembling overly analytical, heartless, evil clown music, so I really can't judge people for their taste (although I'll kid them about it). 531295[/snapback] Even though, I don't agree with your description, I could agree about evil clown music part... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Posted May 19, 2006 Author Share Posted May 19, 2006 Charlie, how could it be nonsense when I loaded my post with disclaimers like "I feel" and "I believe" and "this is a biased generalization"? I knew it wouldn't go over well with some, and therefore I prepared it that way. To say what you did is unexpectedly unkind. I'm telling you the truth when I say that when I listen to music - which I obviously do a lot - I find it uncanny that I tend to enjoy the Scandinavian sound - and this is important - even before I know it's made by a Scandinavian. I've wondered a lot why that is. And I've also wondered a lot about why I tend not to like trance from England. I don't know the right answer, but it has been my suspicion that somehow the culture and environment of a songwriter slips into his or her music. I don't find this idea vastly difficult to believe, but it is still somewhat ambiguous and abstract, hence the disclaimers. And yes Great Britian and Scandinavia are relatively close to each other and share a lot of similarities. But there are differences, too, not only in the past but also in the present. Some vast differences. All I'm saying is that these differences might just be making an appearance in the music. I hear the forest sound. I know it when I hear it. And it is - for some reason - some of my favorite music of all time. Other people absolutely hate it. That baffles me, but it probably baffles some people that I don't like Hallucinogen's music as well, and tend to hear a sound resembling overly analytical, heartless, evil clown music, so I really can't judge people for their taste (although I'll kid them about it). I'm sorry if you found my post offensive. I tried very hard not to make it seem that way, but to make it clear that it was an idea/opinion I've been formulating over time based on my personal experiences. Now feck off, you bloody twat. 531295[/snapback] I didn't really find your post offensive, silly, yes, and certainly out-of-character. Whenever one criticises the musical output of an entire country they have to expect a backlash. Good music is good music as far as I'm concerned, regardless of origin. Anyway, enough about that. Regarding the much-discussed 'forest sound' - I still don't know what it is. Perhaps when your Fairytale album arrives you can point out what sounds on it are foresty as I'm quite interested to find out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnome Posted May 19, 2006 Share Posted May 19, 2006 No man can realise the meaning of forest trance if he had never tripped into a deep forest listening to such sounds.Some things cannot be described.You must be a fool to ask for a description of psychedelia,no language can describe such complexity.A picture is worth a thousand words,a feeling is worth a million words. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemmiwinks Posted May 19, 2006 Share Posted May 19, 2006 Perhaps when your Fairytale album arrives you can point out what sounds on it are foresty as I'm quite interested to find out. 531380[/snapback] well that's exactly it... I already comented on that in my Derango review: if the "forest trance" tracks had samples of owls hooting or troll chants then yes, I'd understand where it all comes from but simply having "wierd organic noises"... ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Posted May 19, 2006 Author Share Posted May 19, 2006 No man can realise the meaning of forest trance if he had never tripped into a deep forest listening to such sounds.Some things cannot be described.You must be a fool to ask for a description of psychedelia,no language can describe such complexity.A picture is worth a thousand words,a feeling is worth a million words. 531396[/snapback] Guess that makes me a fool then. well that's exactly it... I already comented on that in my Derango review: if the "forest trance" tracks had samples of owls hooting or troll chants then yes, I'd understand where it all comes from but simply having "wierd organic noises"... ? 531397[/snapback] Exactly. To me forest sounds are owls, bears, the trickling of streams, wind through the trees, that sort of thing. 'Weird organic noises' can mean bloody anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemmiwinks Posted May 19, 2006 Share Posted May 19, 2006 PS does the comp VA - Forest on Doof Records have anything to do with the "common" definition of "forest trance"...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnome Posted May 19, 2006 Share Posted May 19, 2006 Guess that makes me a fool then. 531403[/snapback] Like a 6 y old child asking "Dad,what is sex?" Nah,just joking.Its all about taste,again.If you dont like "forest" trance that much and you are not a pagan,there is no need to argue about it. That thing with being pagan was half-joke,half-serious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Posted May 19, 2006 Author Share Posted May 19, 2006 I don't know if I like 'forest' 'cos I don't know what it bloody is!! I have the Fairytale CD and it's pretty good, but it doesn't sound especially different to 'non-forest' CD's I have. That's why I need someone to point out the so-called 'forest sounds', the way I'm thinking right now I feel it's just a name snatched out of thin air by clever marketting people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reger Posted May 19, 2006 Share Posted May 19, 2006 (edited) i think one explanation why its called forest trance that would fit perfect would be - its because its very popular "sound" [read - style] that is being played in sweden and scandinavia, since they dont have deserts they are forced to make parties elsewhere - and look - they have beautiful nature with forests, so thats why it is labeled so. sure some other psy styles are probably being played there aswell, but looks like this "forest" trance is the most popular among producers and listeners, including foreign "fame". is it good enough ? Edited May 19, 2006 by reger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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reger Posted May 19, 2006 Share Posted May 19, 2006 531446[/snapback] hey, its simple, even radi would comprehend Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnome Posted May 19, 2006 Share Posted May 19, 2006 i think one explanation why its called forest trance that would fit perfect would be - its because its very popular "sound" [read - style] that is being played in sweden and scandinavia, since they dont have deserts they are forced to make parties elsewhere - and look - they have beautiful nature with forests, so thats why it is labeled so. sure some other psy styles are probably being played there aswell, but looks like this "forest" trance is the most popular among producers and listeners, including foreign "fame". is it good enough ? 531444[/snapback] Yeah and LSD was descibed as a hallucinogenic because of the Hallucinogen track. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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