Guest Lightmatch Posted September 2, 2002 Share Posted September 2, 2002 Well this ia a post i wanted to make days ago, cause i see a lot of people in here hate this type of files. First of all we have the producers-composers or generally speaking people who have a financial point of view at the mp3 scene (negative one translated into loss of profit). And on the other we have people who have a huge collection of cd's and always were proud of it and now they see a new goa-fan aged 17 years old having just installed his new dsl - connection and being able to download 320kbps Mindscape quality mp3's, even at the quantity of 400 each day. So in some way these people feel threatened cause they will be no longer the only people with the ability to listen to so rare music and so much of course. Now everyone can listen to the type of music he or she enjoys. Now why am i being positive and supportive to the whole mp3 scene? 1. People living in places where there are not big cd stores selling psychedelic - ambient cd's now have the ability of listening to the music they would never even imaging listening to without the web and mp3. 2.People who don't have the financial step of buying all the cd's they like (and we all know quality releases come out every day), now can enjoy the music. 3.Music can be backupped and stored for further use or just to make sure it will be there for ever and ever. 4.New music styles and movements can be well-known all over the world by using the mp3 files, sth very difficult to be made without it and the use of the web. 5.Many reasons containing small size and great quality even at parties (many dj's play mp3 burnt cd's at parties and no one understands any difference at all). Mp3 is sth that is here to stay and will stay. RIAA and people like Elysium can't do anything about that. Why not do sth like Batle of the Future Buddhas who said: "We don't mind people downloading our music, we just hate people d/l it and selling it." That's bad and i personally never do it. Well that's the true, we all use em and want em. I would have never listened to alla the music i have listened to and feel lucky about it, if there was no mp3 scene. I would just listen to most known cd's commercial shit. That's it. Peace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Firestorm Posted September 2, 2002 Share Posted September 2, 2002 nice speech Lightmatch, but it's actually pretty simple, get this: if nobody buys psy cd's, then no label will release em anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest v4K Posted September 2, 2002 Share Posted September 2, 2002 you got a good point here lightmatch, actually only No. 1 but thats actually the fact, people listent to music and like it, but NEVER buy the original CD and thats the problem... and by the way, do you think psy people is kinda envie about psy? ...or what was that at the begining of your post? v4K Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest v4K Posted September 2, 2002 Share Posted September 2, 2002 ...ther are on line stores to buy music BTW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Goagabba Posted September 2, 2002 Share Posted September 2, 2002 I'm gonna post this one again: isratrance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Goagabba Posted September 2, 2002 Share Posted September 2, 2002 Enjoy it while you can... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dEc-0-y Posted September 2, 2002 Share Posted September 2, 2002 OK I HAVE A CRAZY IDEA ... theres no way to stop people from sharing mp3s, you can complain about these little pirates all you want but its not gonna help anything .. heres an idea.. people sharing mp3s should download a batch file renamer or id3 editor and include in the filename or id3 tag something about supporting the psytrance scene and have a couple urls to www.psyshop.com or www.saikosounds.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Järsimähäiriö Posted September 2, 2002 Share Posted September 2, 2002 WTF is this? Do we seriously need another thread on MP3s? Mind you, this is the General forum, take your crap among the other crap that is the off-topic. I have no intentions on getting into this pseudo-conversation, but can't help myself regarding this one point: 2.People who don't have the financial step of buying all the cd's they like (and we all know quality releases come out every day), now can enjoy the music. Oh boo-fucking-hoo, you got me all emotional now... People with no money, downloading psy-music, isn't that just adorable? While we are at it, should these poor people be allowed to enter the movie-theaters for free too, since they can't pay for their ticket? There are so many good flicks that it would be impossible for most of us to see all of them. So you think they should show them for free? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest emk Posted September 2, 2002 Share Posted September 2, 2002 bla... =) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest llazi Posted September 3, 2002 Share Posted September 3, 2002 I totally agree with Lightmatch, there is nothing I could say better. There is only one thing I could add : Check all psy-artist interviews, never saw a line that writes : I make psy for money, so what the hell, they all schould be happy caus their music is listened all over the world. If there was no Internet I think most of the psy artists would remain fully unknown for the foreign world. peace PS. to Järsimähäiriö Dude I really don-t understand you, why are u so upset, you as a psy listener schould be more open minded for these kinda things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hale Posted September 3, 2002 Share Posted September 3, 2002 To Jarsim... Cool man, don't look at the post if you don't like it. By the way, I agree with Lightmach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Goagabba Posted September 3, 2002 Share Posted September 3, 2002 Well you dickheads won't be downloading anymore MDMA or Flying Rhino songs anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Full Lotus Posted September 3, 2002 Share Posted September 3, 2002 If you can afford an internet connection, then surley you can afford to by CD's... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Elysium Project Posted September 3, 2002 Share Posted September 3, 2002 Don't even start to compare me with RIAA. It's a cheap argument! By the way I am not the only one (far from) that think it's getting (or should I say got) out of hand with downloads.... As I have said so many times before (it seem that you didn't bother to read my posts properly) I have nothing I REPEAT nothing against people downloading for preview sake. BUT I do have something against people that download my music and never buy it because they don't give a shit about the artists and have no moral problems about stealing music. You'r arguments are of a very low quality Lightmatch...... I bet your post come out of desperation now where you can't get uyour daily 1GB mp3's at Audiogalaxy. Get a life and move on.......Hey I got an idea...buy your music. But please cry on! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest llazi Posted September 3, 2002 Share Posted September 3, 2002 To Elysium Project. Can u answer me something. Give me your idea of the history of Psy if there was no Internet/mp3 at all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Elysium Project Posted September 3, 2002 Share Posted September 3, 2002 Why should I defend what I think and answer questions that clearly is aimed at me being against massive mp3's downloading? Isen't it you Ilazi that have a problem? Music did excist, got promoted and sold very well before the internet! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Järsimähäiriö Posted September 3, 2002 Share Posted September 3, 2002 Dude I really don-t understand you, why are u so upset, you as a psy listener schould be more open minded for these kinda things. And why exactly should I be supportive for stealing music? Because I like psy? Hmm, that's about the weakest justification I've heard to date. I'm sorry but whatever you're selling, I'm not buying. Flying Rhino just went down. MDMA just went down. I assume you are all very happy now? Which one's going to be the next, perhaps Apoxina or Parvati? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Elysium Project Posted September 3, 2002 Share Posted September 3, 2002 As far as I have heard Atomic and Dragonfly are also in trouble and close to going under aswell. - Mind it could be roumours but I have it from a fairly reliable source. Remember Matsuri? They were one of the first ones to give up. So who's next? - keep stealing music and see your favourite labels and artists go bankrupt...... Hope it makes you see what you're doing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bugbread Posted September 3, 2002 Share Posted September 3, 2002 Ah, the Psynews argument method: Dude I really don-t understand you, why are u so upset, you as a psy listener schould be more open minded for these kinda things. Ok, then, how about this for a counter: I really don't understand why you disagree with Jarsimahairio. As a psy listener you should be open minded enough to agree with him. By the way, I really don't care too much for this issue either way, but I have noticed some pretty weak argument attempts floating around. Let's all brush up on our debate techniques, ok? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest llazi Posted September 3, 2002 Share Posted September 3, 2002 Hey this is going to a wrong direction. About my question. I think if you start talking about internet/mp3 in negative way, then why aren't you taking about the postive side of it. I am convinced (taking myself as a example) that without internet/mp3 the psy scene would be very small compared to todays scene. I become myself very sensitive to psy after mp3 and internet information. If I hadn't these, right now probably I wouldn't even know that psy exist. Second. Are u sure that mp3 is the reason of all these label bankrupt. I don't think so. There are much more factors that could have influenced there, so don't start blaming me if Flying Rhino goes bankrupt. The software industry has always suffert looses from piracy and that in amounts that all the psy scene can dream about, and still no one has gone bankrupt caus their software got stolen. To all the mp3 haters : don't focus on your experience, try understanding others too. peace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Goagabba Posted September 3, 2002 Share Posted September 3, 2002 "The software industry has always suffert looses from piracy and that in amounts that all the psy scene can dream about, and still no one has gone bankrupt caus their software got stolen." The SW industry still sells millions of legitimate copies, Psy will only sell a few thousand if lucky. "Are u sure that mp3 is the reason of all these label bankrupt. I don't think so." Quote from DJ Bim, Medium Rec: Dere friends we start in our Forun (www.forum.medium-records.de) a discussion about our Sìtuation. The Story is that since the last year the Sales of all Label are around 50% down. A lot of smal Label will die this yeare like MDMA this is for sure a effect of the Copying of our Music.We know that our Music is born under the Dat swapping in our world but now in the Time of burner and Net downloads our Music is neare to die.Nobody knows how the Story ends but for sure it dont looks so good: Medium and Spirit zone and a lot of other Label will start in the next Time a Action againsi copying about when it dont stops it looks like that in the next Years no Label will survive.So is there any idea what we can do against it about when there is no more Music on the Market our Partyculture will die also and this Culture is unique in this World and will be never happent again. bim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Elysium Project Posted September 3, 2002 Share Posted September 3, 2002 I am not at all denying that mp3's can be positive when used the right way. All I am saying is that it seem to me that way too many people will over and over again use silly and unsupported arguments to defend their mp3 addiction. As for your opinion about our scene would never have becomed this big (how big is our scene in your mind?) without mp3 I can only claim that you're totally wrong. As I mentioned in my prior post music has been around way before the internet and mp3's excisted and it has never been a problem making people interested in music. Remember Rock'n'Roll? It started as a underground thing (where the majority hated it) and it certantly did not go under because mp3's and the internet did not excist. To claim that our scene would be smaller without mp3's or the internet is yet another unsupported claim that are a result of people's problem seeing what all the downloads are doing to our small (yes quite small) scene. Just because some countries such as USA (or any other country like the former east block countries) have (in a very very little scale) opened up their ears for our music is not the same as claiming that they wouldn't have done that without mp3's. USA has always been quite behind (sorry USA :-)) when it come to other music than american homemade music. Just see The Beatles it too them a long time to break into USA even when Europe loved them. As for labels going bankrupt it's of course not always only because of mp3's (it could also be because the leadership's are a bunch of amatures) but in the cases I was mentioning the main issue is that sales has gone down drastically. yet the respective labels have never been more popular with increasing e-mails and artist and label Dj's getting more and more gigs. Can you tell me how that compares to a decreasing record sale? So my conclusion to this very long post is this: Music has and will always be noticed nomatter who you are and where you live and with or without the internet and mp3's ect. Music or let's say artists and labels will not always survive when people don't buy their muisc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bholenath Posted September 3, 2002 Share Posted September 3, 2002 not again...when the forum goes dull for a few days this starts off.............. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest v4K Posted September 3, 2002 Share Posted September 3, 2002 lightmatch and llazi: Please stop moveing the waters... again. Your arguments look SO newbies. Seems to me you don't even understand what you guys are talking about. v4K Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mindtwister Posted September 3, 2002 Share Posted September 3, 2002 Ahhhg.... Not again.... I don't get it?? If you love the music why make it go under by downloading instead of buying...! Don't people realize that Psy/Goa will go under if everyone stopped buying!!!? Can't Lightmatch or Llazi make me understand the logic in this, cuz I don't get it!!! Take Care! //Mindtwister Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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