Guest kingdok Posted September 4, 2002 Share Posted September 4, 2002 I won't be buying the new Spirit Zone compliation because of this track. What does Shrek have to do with trance? Anyone? Anyone? "Get out of my swamp!" has to be the dumbest sample I've heard any electronic artist use, with the possible exception of "Stuttering Stanley!" I'll be so glad when producers abandon that sample-a-movie-and-then-name-their-track-after-it bullshit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest lurk Posted September 4, 2002 Share Posted September 4, 2002 surely thats a little bit of an over reaction, there are some other really good tracks on the compilation ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest kingdok Posted September 4, 2002 Share Posted September 4, 2002 Yeah, maybe. But I just can't get behind that music-making mentality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sviskon Posted September 4, 2002 Share Posted September 4, 2002 it's one of the most played tracks on the festivals here in europe. I think it's a good track with nice positive energy. and the new spiritzone compilation is one of the best compilations of the year. worth getting just for the space tribe&electric universe track alone. the srange track is truly great also!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest kingdok Posted September 4, 2002 Share Posted September 4, 2002 Bah. I'm tired of overlooking Spirit Zone's obvious faults, and the faults of lazy psy trance producers who harvest the most inappropriate samples from popular movies. Maybe Europe hasn't been pelted so much by Mike Myers. I like the guy, but his various quips and quotes have no place in psy trance. What's next? GMS "Austin Powers" or GMS "So I Married An Ax Murderer?" Bah, I say! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest lurk Posted September 4, 2002 Share Posted September 4, 2002 What, in your view, is an appropriate sample ? :-) IMHO the Shrek sample is appropriate, because a lot of people love that film, and it puts a smile on their faces :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest kingdok Posted September 4, 2002 Share Posted September 4, 2002 Well it put a big fat on MY face. Shrek is a wholly generic movie, and to mingle that with psy trance, something that's anything but generic, is inappropriate in my opinion. A lot of people liked "American Pie." So unless the idea of an "American Pie" themed psy trance track doesn't appeal to you, we're on two totally different sides here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest lurk Posted September 4, 2002 Share Posted September 4, 2002 There is one, on the Empty Hand compilation, I think its the Molecular track (don't have it in front of me though); don't like the track that much, but the sample makes me laugh. So I guess we are on two totally different sides :-) Please explain what is an appropriate sample, i'm not trying to pick a fight, i'm just interested Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest kingdok Posted September 4, 2002 Share Posted September 4, 2002 An appropriate sample is one that can be taken out of context. "Get out of my swamp!" and "Stuttering Stanley!" can only be taken in the context of the movies they were in. Those lines were part of a string of dialogue that, when pulled from their respective movies, make no sense in the context of a trance track -- ANY track for that matter. You hear those lines and you instantly think of the movie they came from. At that point, the track stops being an original piece of music and becomes little more than a promotional theme song. Conversely, the words "datalinks...paradise..." can be heard in a track without invoking the slightest notion of where they originated. See what I'm getting at? Moreover, I'm irritated to see movie-themed tracks emerge almost immediately after the DVD is released, leaving the listener to think, "Oh well, I guess Nomad just got HIS copy of 'Gladiator.'" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest lurk Posted September 4, 2002 Share Posted September 4, 2002 I agree with you in certain respects, like the Alien Project track with the one ring sample, that sucks, and i don't see the point of it; but i think that samples from movies that will put a smile on your face (rather just think "oh thats from such a film") are fine, the shrek sample being one, the american pie one being another... another one is the weir sick & twisted sample, you know exactly where that originated, but its still fun :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest kingdok Posted September 4, 2002 Share Posted September 4, 2002 I do have a rather soft spot for The Simpsons =) And South Park, even! "I love to sing-a! About the moon-a and the June-a and the Spring-a! I love to sing-a!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest emk Posted September 4, 2002 Share Posted September 4, 2002 lets make a party with no sound containing movie samples!!!! i have a overdose! lg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest akindo Posted September 4, 2002 Share Posted September 4, 2002 Well, how many people on the dancefloor do you think have seen Shrek? Maybe 20%, so there you go, it's ok. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HAch Posted September 5, 2002 Share Posted September 5, 2002 i havent seen the movie and think the track is ok (except that it sounds the same of the other 350000 gms songs), but this topic makes me think something like once the Juice topic "it doest have anything to do in psytrance"..... What the F!!!! what "has to be" in psytrance???????... that way of think really makes me fell sorry about the people who think it... like all the minimal lovers "if its not deeper and deeper" its nor "real" psytrance.... puke..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest kingdok Posted September 5, 2002 Share Posted September 5, 2002 It's not that psytrance HAS to be a certain way. There's just what works and what doesn't. Think about it : If someone said, "Hey, I'm going to make a country barn-dance themed psy trance track with Dolly Parton vocals." that'd be theoretically possible. All the material is there. All they'd need to do is add a kickdrum and some spacey squelches. The question is : would you WANT THEM TO MAKE SUCH A TRACK? Psy trance doesn't HAVE to adhere to any rules, true. Just be careful what you wish for, 'cuz Pixar's 'Monsters Inc.' will be out on DVD soon, and there's potential for some ill-placed Mike and Sulley quotes. You'll either squeal with orgasmic delight, or (like I did) groan and see what other producers are doing to further the genre, rather than taking the most accessible pop culture and turning it into half-assed counterculture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bugbread Posted September 5, 2002 Share Posted September 5, 2002 Kingdok: you just addressed one of my dreams (uh, except for the Dolly Parton part): Simon Posford making a country track. I don't like country, but somehow I get the feeling that he'd produce pure magic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 1 Posted September 5, 2002 Share Posted September 5, 2002 Kingdok your awesome and i agree with your views 110%. You speak well and have convincing arguments. The only idea i might have about this sample (although i've never heard the track) is that it's trying to be wacky and goofy, perhaps like Green nuns or Space tribe, Technosommy. (i bet it don't sound as good though) ;- anyhow i agree, I think the BEST samples are ones i totally DO NOT recognize for example Miranda - Steps to the Stars. peace and love 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mike D Posted September 5, 2002 Share Posted September 5, 2002 I think t that you are forgetting something very important, which is psytrance is music to be happy, to laugh to not give a goddamn fuck about anything to!! So who cares if they sample Shrek?? Just coz it ain't drug based or spaced out trippy samples doesn't mean it doesn't belong! I actually think a lot of The Delta sample don't belong as they creat a really evil and dark vibe, where as the Shrek song creates a happy laughing - go - happy feeling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Lauri Posted September 5, 2002 Share Posted September 5, 2002 What difference does it make what kind of a sample is used, If it`s used well. Personally, I`m sick and tired of either Terence mc Kenna style ramblings on psychoactives or any kind of philosophy related samples "Mystical experience, etc" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bugbread Posted September 5, 2002 Share Posted September 5, 2002 I'll second Mike D and Lauri. I just don't see the point of all the drug samples. They aren't surprising, or thought provoking, or interesting. I AM kinda partial to the Terrence McKenna samples in Shpongle, though, because of the images (like jeweled self dribbling basketballs), but the parts about "So you take, let us as assume, a third toke" are just stupid. My favorite samples inevitably are the ones that make me laugh: Now, bring on the cannibal android robots!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Worst Samples Posted September 5, 2002 Share Posted September 5, 2002 Alien Project sampled UGH - "Me, Myself and Irene" AND "Vertical Limits" on the same CD. UGGGGGGGGGGGGGGH. shit shit shit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest spacemonkey - 604 Posted September 5, 2002 Share Posted September 5, 2002 hey bugbread where did this simon-doing-a-country-track idea of yours originate, because i now have seen it in two of your posts? just curious......................... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bugbread Posted September 6, 2002 Share Posted September 6, 2002 It just popped up one day. Actually, that's not true, it's way more complex. My exgirlfriend had a mix MD that a friend made, with this really scary scary into that blended into Morphem - Hypnotone, which starts with a distorted country song. Spooky stuff. The MD mix had no song listing, though, so I didn't know who it was, and she said it was Hallucinogen. Later on, I found out it wasn't, but then a sampe in Shpongle reminded me of it (at around 0:50 in Shpongleyes, you hear a cowbell and a distorted country singer voice). And then I started thinking, "You know, Simon would probably do some kick-ass country". Ironic, because, as I've said, I don't actually like country, but old-skool country (Hank Williams SENIOR, cowboy music, yodelling, etc.) is pretty cool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest spacemonkey - 604 Posted September 6, 2002 Share Posted September 6, 2002 that hypnotone intro is very scary indeed, and putting it like that it would be very funny if simon did that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest russ Posted September 7, 2002 Share Posted September 7, 2002 hey bugbread, that distorted country intro is part of the morphem track. one of my favorite trance tracks ever. pure sickness. about samples, i say fuck them all. i hate them 99% of the time. the other 1% i like maybe the first time i hear the track, and then they grow tiresome too. hollywood samples i can identify are by far the worse. voices are cool when they are processed and effected etc, because the human voice is such a complex sound. but movies samples? fuck 'em!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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