Guest ritual om Posted September 15, 2002 Share Posted September 15, 2002 i have listened to tracks that don't seem to be much complicated but if you have an experienced ear u deeply know that these are true diamonds (for example the tracks in liquid dub 7) what do u think? how do u judge electronic music? i mean: 1 complexity 2 atmosphere 3 landscapes 4 soul connecting(i mean music that for an unknown reason it makes u feel deus and awe) etc........ i think it's a nice question and i want serious answers:))))))))))) that's all folks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest andrejcid Posted September 15, 2002 Share Posted September 15, 2002 indeed it's a nice question. well, i judge the music upon the 4th criteria u mentioned. nice tune for me is the one that heals my soul in a spiritual ralation meaning it arouses something in me that moove my brain cells...than my nerves....than my body....and afterwards i'm full with inner undiscribeable energy.so i afterwards say-"damn this is a fucking good track" baout the complexity and the other stuff ahh u can't say really if a track is complicated or not since it is quite individual, meening it depends how deep u can get into it...also the machinery used for making it, might not be the most sofisticated one, but still the idea comes from the artist's head which is enough for making the track complex, original.....when the music is original and inovative imo is very complicated because not all of us can produce music coming directly from one's brain without copying or so. there are many points of discussion... music is one of the arts as well as the painting.u know there are many complicated paintings in terms of painting skills techniques, estetics...but not all of them are rated the same(not even closely).lets say Mona Liza which is a small but nice painting is one of the most admired paintings in the world and it worths maybe milions of dolars but a good copy of it(i meen a goooood copy,almost the same as the original) can be found for 10-15dolars.but that painting, although it looks like the mona liza,has no emotions in it,no energy and what worths in it is just the effort(for which u pay $10). hope u get my point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bahamut Posted September 15, 2002 Share Posted September 15, 2002 Yeah, first of all that hard to describe and very individual taste factor. After that: - melody - originality - atmosphere (preferably spacy, mysterious, uplifting etc... I think this depends on a number of things such as the type of sounds&effects used and of course the melodies) less important for me are: - quality - complexity Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest mmm... Posted September 16, 2002 Share Posted September 16, 2002 It depends on the genre, even on the track. After all, a really good track usually contains smt that the others do not. So I really don´t wanna talk about this on so abstract a level... I think people with narrow tastes (listening to only psy, for instance) judge music only by few criteria. Which is of course still all ok, as long as they don´t start to judge _other people´s tastes_ by their own narrow scales. I wrote a rather long reply concerning these things on "commercial house track by posford?!"-topic @ Other Chat. (It was inspired by the preceding long conversation on different genres by EP, stringtheory, bugbread and a few others. Nothing too much to do with the topic anymore, heh=) Unfortunately the topic was so old that no one´s gonna read it anymore, there were no replies... Or then my bull-shit was just too boring for anyone to comment it. Decide yourself, if you wish. I´m looking forward to hear of everyone´s thoughts on this matter, too. Although I do not myself want to give a straight answer here, I think this is a good topic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strumpling Posted September 16, 2002 Share Posted September 16, 2002 ritual om, Well man.... I rate albums nowadays (well, psy-albums at least....) strictly on complexity, the RANGE sounds that is being used, and how well everything is woven in together, as well as how crisp and... "audible" the artist makes everything (which is tied very closely to "complexity").... Basically, I guess that means "Production," doesn't it? The biggest, largest, most-broad, most-varied, most "connected" productions always get my points. Of course I suppose lots of this is subjective. Specifically, the Shpongle albums and lots of Posford's other music top my list - he seems to have the largest number of audible sounds with alternative patterns stuffed into his music; layers upon layers of unfolding, morphing, "compatible" sounds strung together into epic productions. I personally think there really is objectively "good music" but so far I still have to fall back to saying "It all comes down to 'Taste'" -=- Matt/Strumpling -=- lol and of course I'm listening to The Lone Deranger right this minute Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strumpling Posted September 16, 2002 Share Posted September 16, 2002 HOLY SHIT!! I forgot one of the largest "things" that will REALLY make me like many psy-albums: Craziness If its a hard-stomping type of psy-album, and sounds totally out-of-control and unorganized and chaotic, but is actually very calmly and precisely-calculated after close inspection...... I'm all over it - but I suppose that falls in with "complexity" as well. -=- Matt/Strumpling -=- effects, man.... effects wow i'm all over the road with this question - good one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bugbread Posted September 16, 2002 Share Posted September 16, 2002 I was wondering when someone would mention that. I try not to evaluate quality too much, because it just ends out with me getting in arguments. I try to stick to "I like it" or "I don't like it", more than "It's good" or "It's bad" (Though, when I'm in a bad mood I will tend to go off on music I dislike). So, what makes me like or dislike something? Depends on the type of music. For ambient/chill, certain things, for pop, other things. And for psy: Craziness! If something is just fast and driving, it bores me. Upping the BPM does not make me want to dance. But when it gets crazy, and I can't wrap my mind around what's going on, I love it. The other characteristic I look for a lot is: Humour. Yep. I dislike most pompous music. If a track can make me laugh, I tend to like it. I'm not talking about "silly samples" so much, because it's easy to get tired of them, but goofy time signature changes or big crescendos that suddenly disappear or whathaveyou. And if you combine the two, you get the perfect psy: Crazy, funny, bouncing, spinning, unpredictable, insane! Hence my recent Finland jag. As you can see, this very succinctly explains why I don't like minimal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest andrejcid Posted September 16, 2002 Share Posted September 16, 2002 strumpling dude can u really connect crazyness with complexity??what i'm not clear with your statement is what type of complexity u mean?the idea, the structure,the software used.....??? i also like craziness but that, as i had mentioned before is a matter of originality rather than complexity(imo). can u remember what gms used to be like in the past and what are they like now? or if the little blue man(weirdo beardo) starts copying music of others it won't be crazy and unique any more.fortunately he doesn' and that's why his music is weard and crazy.whereas psydrop whose tracks might be much more complicated for producing don't have the spirit like weirdo's track. i'm not saying it's so bad though, but i can not even compare with WB or miraculix or droidsect.... however at the end everything sums up to the taste more or less about the production, err i can't say i judge music upon that factor since the production can always be improoved Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strumpling Posted September 16, 2002 Share Posted September 16, 2002 andrejcid, Haven't you run across music that sounds completely unorganized but is in fact, after closer inspection VERY organized, PRECISELY calculated, just in highly-complex ways that you would have never even imagined/expected until you fully assimilate whats going on. -=- Matt/Strumpling -=- complexity of organization of sounds and interlocking effects Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ird Posted September 16, 2002 Share Posted September 16, 2002 For me it is: - stereo image (I can't stand "flat" 2D sound). Good stereo image example: Dragon - Fuse, bad - any old Cosmosis track (from his first album); - spectral richness (good - any X-Dream track, bad - nothing specific comes to my mind right now, but there're lots of "empty" tracks coming out these days); I'm not saying I like it when a track is stuffed with sounds - kick & bass alone can fill the spectrum if properly selected, processed and mixed; - drum/percussion pattern diversity. I like it when it's hard to follow the rhythm. Good - any Posford track (try to break his drum patterns up into repeating blocks, it's not a particularly easy task), bad - hm, lots of "techy" tracks. I do like some of them, but morphing patterns work better for me; - sound separation. I'm not particularly fond of heavy layering; - overall complexity. I like it when a track is full of things that make me wonder "how the hell did they do it??". At the same time, I don't like when the sounds and FX are just thrown "in your face" (e.g. IM - BP Empire); usually I can tell that "something's wrong" at the very first listen, but there're quite a few "flawless" tracks, where each and every sound fits perfectly with the overall pattern... this may be just a matter of taste, but I really like how Double Dragon builds his tracks (Posford is also in this cathegory); - mood & athmosphere. This comes last, as, unfortunately (?), I cannot appreciate mood & athmosphere of a track if it has bad production, nomatter how hard I try There are many tracks that were once my favourites but which I cannot really stand any more.. For instance: the Muses Rapt - Spiritual Healing, any old Pleiadians track, etc. Sigh, too much analyzing is not necessarily a good thing Peace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest VanGoa Posted September 17, 2002 Share Posted September 17, 2002 I have to agrees with the spiritual one. not only thawt I need something hta will stimulate my mind, and I can reflect emotionally on. I also need something complicated and when I'm in the right mode, moves me inside, nice question by the way, the answers are very intersting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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