Guest Syre Posted December 17, 2001 Share Posted December 17, 2001 It seems like Astral Projection will be playing in Copenhagen, a few days after new years eve. The promotion tell us "with a new live set and a coming album, legendary.. blah blah blah....". But what is to notice, is that minimal dj's have been hired for the party and that's not common here, it's either minimal or melodic. So have anyone heard something from their new album? Have they changed style? I hope they have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest kingdok Posted December 18, 2001 Share Posted December 18, 2001 If AP have indeed changed their style, I hope they haven't gone minimal. What a waste that would be. "Hi, we're the new Astral Projection and we're only trying half as hard this time." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MK Posted December 18, 2001 Share Posted December 18, 2001 u geek! - what is it with people putting down various forms of music? i don't get it! do u really belive that it's easier to make minimal music? i just dont understand the attitude : some people here are acting as tho they r 5 years old... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest etherdesign Posted December 18, 2001 Share Posted December 18, 2001 Erm, it is easier to make minimal music. I still love it though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MK Posted December 18, 2001 Share Posted December 18, 2001 erm - i disagree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ben Posted December 18, 2001 Share Posted December 18, 2001 more repetitive so easier to do ... I know a french maker and I've Reason... But I love minimal ! Peace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Philip C. Posted December 18, 2001 Share Posted December 18, 2001 I don't believe that AP would go minimal... and not judging from which dj's who're playing in Amager Bio in Feb. I don't think it has something do to with the dj's anyway... last time at the Tim Schuldt live, the was a couple of dj's who played full-on psychedelic trance, which Tim Schuldt himself played a style that reminded me of some minimal/deep trance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest didge Posted December 18, 2001 Share Posted December 18, 2001 mk, i don't get it either! i'm not for either one style... i judge a track on its merits and my two favourite albums at the moment are at each end of the scale. but, who says it is easier to make a minimal track? etherdesign, i know you are very experienced (from what i've read in the "music making" section) in track making, but just because it is easier for YOU to make minimal, it is not for a lot of ppl. And I thought you would agree with this! Different ppl are on different levels with skill and knowledge... while someone may have an unbelieveable knowledge bank of sound engineering, minimal may be easy... , and maybe composing melodies is hard to these ppl if they have focused mainly on sound engineering or even audio recording, while for ppl who have played the guitar since 3, can pick up any instrument, but have no knowledge of electronic music making... also, ALOT of minimal artists just don't like the cheese in alot of artists tracks (ie astral), so, just because a melody as obvious as an AP one is excluded in minimal tracks, this does not mean it is easier to make, or that the artist is less talented.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Setsuko Posted December 18, 2001 Share Posted December 18, 2001 minimal is certainly not easier to make... not only the production has to be perfect but the choice of the sounds in the composition is very difficult, it has to be hypnotising , groovy and lots of psychedelic sounds spread on the track... no , this is certainly not easier to make, they make it with more care IMO. because with full-on you can easily overload the track xith melodies... and when there are lots of melodies the sounds quality doesn't matter anymore because you only hear the uplifting melodies ... and compare the beat and the bass of a full-on track with a minimal track nowadays... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jeff Posted December 18, 2001 Share Posted December 18, 2001 "hypnotising , groovy and lots of psychedelic sounds spread on the track" + "uplifting melodies" = definition of a great Psy trance tune to me. Why the hell are these two elements always opposed nowadays ??? This topic comes over and over again, but I still don't get the point... J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest baltazar Posted December 18, 2001 Share Posted December 18, 2001 Jeff maybe it's because there are so many disappointed elder ravers that were used to the sound of the middle -95 and more and more seldom is to experience this lovely melodic stuff on feasts when, nowaydays, more and more minimal parties are thrown... why abbandone the melodic stuff, it can be much more further developed!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Elysium Project Posted December 18, 2001 Share Posted December 18, 2001 I agree 100% didge....well spoken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest mike d Posted December 18, 2001 Share Posted December 18, 2001 what difference does it really make?? if it is easier or harder, it doesn' mean the music is of less quality...I have become of recently a big minial lover, tho there a re a few that i just cannot seem to get, but i keep listening. The way i did this is that every time i get public transport, instead of stivkng my fav. cd's in my discman, i jam in a minmal cd, and take another one to listen to one the way home. Look, it doesn't atter if you like it or not,, the music is here, it is staying, and either you change with or accept. I mean, my mum was a huge beatles fan, but she hated the sgt peppers stuff coz it was all psychadelic, but she acceptec it, didn't buy the music, but she says she didnt hate them for it. Change is always good, and if A.P have gone slightly deep or minimal then i think they would be the most talented to pull it off, cant wait for their new cd, dsoundz exciting :-) all those AP haters might like them now :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest iNFI500 Posted December 18, 2001 Share Posted December 18, 2001 I would say, focus more on the psyambient scene cause wonderful deep and creative stuff that still captures the 604 spirit is produced there instead of jumping the tech bandwagon... Psytrance needs to expand its borders, not play kopykat... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Setsuko Posted December 18, 2001 Share Posted December 18, 2001 no no, it's not about jumping the tech bandwagon infi500 , it's about change.. this afternoone, my nephew came to me and asked to download some techno live sets and burn them.. so we sat here for several hours downloading and listening to techno , well all i can say my head went crazy... pure techno is a copycat scene IMO not the psytrance scene , which is more variated IMO ... whether the style is full-on or minimal... so back to the downloading. my nephew went back home with three cd's ( live sets from Dave Clarcke, Kenny Larkin, Jeff Mills and other techno artist/dj's ) then i listened to 'disco slickers' , which is pretty minimal and techno influenced according to some reviews on this site but man... that was incredible... the stream of sounds , the underground feeling it gives to you, the tribal rhythems and groove in the tracks ... wow ... amazing after heared techno whole afternoone ... another point is ... about he full-on , when i listen to the dance-charts on mtv or tmf (a belgian commercial music channel) , maybe once a month or something like this... i get the impression the commercial trance or eurotrance is getting very close to our oldschool goa style, ofcourse it's not that similar but the use in 303 filters and special flangers and the kickbasses is very goa-ish IMO ... that's an impression i certainly don't get while comparing pure techno to minimal or progressive psytrance ... just give me an explananion why all those psytrance artist from back in '96 that created full-on now creating 'minimal' ... remeber , this style of trance will always be specialised in the music and not the making of money... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest infi500 Posted December 19, 2001 Share Posted December 19, 2001 Quote "no no, it's not about jumping the tech bandwagon infi500 , it's about change.." What change? Recycling the tech genre where I was into between 1988 and 1990 (detriot/Chicago)? Sorry, been there, done that...I stepped into Goa because of the melodies, the feeling ehm...because it was so different and refreshing than normal trance and techno back then (1995)... And now I must applaud for 604 turning into the normal techno stuff whereas it had character and an own face back then...No thanks... Its good that there is minimal...I like some of it, really...but it is worlds apart from the things I primarily liked in 604...When I listen to LiquidSoundDesign stuff, I really think that there is enough influence left to enhance the 604/Psy scene without flirting with Techno...Like I said, Techtrance for me is more of a Deja Vu than a necessary change or progression... Would really be a waste if all that would be left in 3 years is Techtrance and see all the things I primarily liked in 604 like spirituality, melodies and charachter vanish in one big cold and emotionless Techno drain... Says enough that in 1995 I had to copy every 604 album for friends whereas none of them seems really interested in the techtrance stuff released nowadays... Nevermind, I only spin psy-ambient nowadays...because I haven't heard a decent psyalbum for a very long time...I am getting old hehhee... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Setsuko Posted December 19, 2001 Share Posted December 19, 2001 what change ... change away from the eurotrance style... do you realy think a music style stays interesting when it sticks to its 'traditions' for like 10 years without any progression ... imo 2001 has been a great year in the psytrance scene ... don't you think ? i mean all the different styles , just read Anoebis' text about goatrance under the 'goa information' topic ... it's all a matter of taste ... and i like most of the releases nowadays... btw, how old are you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Phaedrus Posted December 19, 2001 Share Posted December 19, 2001 If Astral Projection releases a minimal album, I'll sh*t a golden eggroll with "www.psynews.org" engraved on it. Seriously. I'll post the pics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otto Matta Posted December 19, 2001 Share Posted December 19, 2001 Wow, I had no idea that Goa/Psy had only one choice for a direction in which to proceed! According to my ears, there are a ton of different styles being made, from melodic to minimal to ambient to tech to whatever you want to call that wacked out Aussie/Danish sound that Demon Tea/Psy Harmonics is putting out, to bands like Greenhouse Effect and Violet Vision - and that's just within our genre! Is it just me or does it seem that there's a sh!tload of great music out there for a sh!tload of different tastes? You know, if you're looking to take some misplaced aggression out on someone, might I suggest you go to the WWF or George Bush websites. Dammit, why do I participate? Perhaps the evil, no-gooder, Roopak has somehow managed to brainwash me with his Orbital Wave Transducer of Moronic Tendencies. EA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Astral Revenge Posted December 19, 2001 Share Posted December 19, 2001 AP produced classic albums but there is one problem .....big problem.... THEY CHEAAAAAAAAT!!!!! GREECE Summer 2001 Astral Projection are going to play live(LIVE P.A. says the flyer) in U-Matic Club(ergostasio) buuuut... instead of that they play Just with a pair of minidiscs !!!! In Every organizer i made this question(i tried to speak with Avi too): Are AP playing live now or just mixing their tunes??? they said the following to me:Yes they play LIVE, it is a live performance !! - all of them- I dont know what the @!#$ they had taken everybody in that party but that wasnt a live performance at all .. And what was the worst of all this .... AP were trying to create a show by jumping and moving and playing with mixer's switches, So if they think that we are so stupid and we cant distinguish a mixer or minidisc from a synth and sequencer then it is better not to come again HERE!!!!!!!!! @!#$ YOU AP! @!#$ YOU Funky Bee(the organizers)! @!#$ YOU ALL !!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khogg Posted December 20, 2001 Share Posted December 20, 2001 I don't know how anyone could ever do a truely live trance act. If they did, it would have to sound VERY different from what you got on the recorded album. Too all those I see out there giving groups a hard time for not doing real live acts: relax. Where I live, we never get any known groups...ever. We never see any famous DJ's...ever. Does that stop me from enjoying the music? Of course not. But, if I got the chance to see AP play (live, DJ, whatever), I would jump at the chance, and I'd be happy I got it. That's all I got to say. And to Phaedrus, if you @!#$ that golden egg roll and the pictures turn out, I want to see them. That would really be something Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khogg Posted December 20, 2001 Share Posted December 20, 2001 That was supposed to say: if you s.h.i.t. that golden egg roll... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest etherdesign Posted December 20, 2001 Share Posted December 20, 2001 Well, I can't necessarily speak for other people can I? I was only speaking for myself.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Phaedrus Posted December 20, 2001 Share Posted December 20, 2001 Good thing for me there is 0 chance of me having to do that because AP will stick to their roots and play the style of music they pioneered. I agree khogg. In fact, I may spend lots of $ flying up to NY to see AP live. I cant wait! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest etherdesign Posted December 20, 2001 Share Posted December 20, 2001 Also to concur, I did not mean any artist is less talented than another.. I like some minimal artists, I dislike some melodic.. I like some melodic, I dislike some minimal.. it is all in one's ears and I do no speak for any other than myself because I have not the experience of another.. I only know that I listen with a purely objective mind.. and what I hear, all music (melodic and minimal psy trance is what I listen to most, but I find beauty in many other genres).. some are good at melodies that stir the soul some are good at sound that is clear and clean that punctures your entire being.. I am not putting down any of the genres.. I love melodic and I love good minimal.. just as I love good old acid techno, pink floyd, creedence clearwater, bob dylan, bach, eno, vagelis, skinny puppy, disposable heros of hipocracy, the carpenters, cynic, simon & garfunkel, etc.. There are masters of all genres.. keep in mind that you are they... You hear them.. you percieve them.. you are music.. there is nothing between you and creation.. You are what you eat, hear, feel, see, touch, smell.. you are it and you can touch on that in music.. production and melody are techniques to be learned, but anyone can make music if you just feel it flow through you.. hum to yourself in the shower, you may come upon an interesting melody.. if you know music, you can write it down.. on the other hand, if you feel the natual vibe of chaos, experiment with the sounds you have.. music is music.. it is and always will be a subjective way of expressing oneself through an objective audience.. though electronic music has taken away some of that ego and subjectiveness.. which I believe is wonderful for modern music... anyways, it is what you make of it.. if you are an artist, think of sound like you thought of play-dough when you were a child.. innocence, pure creativity, not afraid to muck up your hands, accepting of whatever shape that would be molded.. it is your device. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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