Guest antic Posted September 7, 2006 Posted September 7, 2006 http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/KOXBOX-UNRELEASED-NE...1QQcmdZViewItem Quote
Tatsu Posted September 7, 2006 Posted September 7, 2006 Looks like a promo in that plastic sleeve (second pic in the part under the description)? Quote
DeathPosture Posted September 7, 2006 Posted September 7, 2006 Yup, it's an advanced Twisted promo of the upcoming Koxbox album... Quote
NEMO.BOFH Posted September 7, 2006 Posted September 7, 2006 Oktober 2nd in the shops? Last time I spoke to Frank, it seemed like the album was indeed finished, so... Quote
Guest antic Posted September 7, 2006 Posted September 7, 2006 Tatsu said: Looks like a promo in that plastic sleeve (second pic in the part under the description)? 600253[/snapback] 'Death said: Yup, it's an advanced Twisted promo of the upcoming Koxbox album... 600273[/snapback] Maybe I should rephrase my question, as I obviously know WHAT it is. I meant, how can anyone do things like that, knowing about the current state of psytrance scene?!? It will definitely get on P2P networks any day now, so no one will be interested in buying the CD in six months when it gets released Quote
DeathPosture Posted September 7, 2006 Posted September 7, 2006 antic said: Maybe I should rephrase my question, as I obviously know WHAT it is. I meant, how can anyone do things like that, knowing about the current state of psytrance scene?!? It will definitely get on P2P networks any day now, so no one will be interested in buying the CD in six months when it gets released 600283[/snapback] Well, as much as I agree, I'm pretty sure it's not against the law to sell promos. No matter how much the scene is suffering. Quote
Tatsu Posted September 7, 2006 Posted September 7, 2006 Well, I guess somebody deseprately needs some money. Quote
Guest antic Posted September 7, 2006 Posted September 7, 2006 'Death said: Well, as much as I agree, I'm pretty sure it's not against the law to sell promos. No matter how much the scene is suffering. 600285[/snapback] I have no idea about it, but do people who receive promos sign any agreements with labels that they will not copy / sell or mp3-ize it? If not, then they're (the labels) really stupid... Quote
traveller Posted September 7, 2006 Posted September 7, 2006 antic said: I have no idea about it, but do people who receive promos sign any agreements with labels that they will not copy / sell or mp3-ize it? If not, then they're (the labels) really stupid... 600296[/snapback] I never signed anything.. didn't sell 'em either. If I worked for Twisted I would sure as hell not have this guy @ my promo list from this moment on.. Quote
DeathPosture Posted September 7, 2006 Posted September 7, 2006 antic said: I have no idea about it, but do people who receive promos sign any agreements with labels that they will not copy / sell or mp3-ize it? If not, then they're (the labels) really stupid... 600296[/snapback] I've never signed anything on the promo lists I'm on... Usually there's an 'unwritten code' not to distribute unreleased stuff. This guy obviously didn't follow the code. Quote
DeathPosture Posted September 7, 2006 Posted September 7, 2006 phobium said: Could it be fake? 600333[/snapback] I doubt it... The seller has 100% feedback + he's also selling a promo of the upcoming Western Rebel Allience album... I don't think he's on Twisted's promo list, but he might be connected to a distributor and/or large retailer... Quote
Trolsk Posted September 7, 2006 Posted September 7, 2006 antic said: I meant, how can anyone do things like that, knowing about the current state of psytrance scene?!? It will definitely get on P2P networks any day now, so no one will be interested in buying the CD in six months when it gets released 600283[/snapback] What? I've bought several albums that I've had as mp3 for several months, even years. Quote
phobium Posted September 7, 2006 Posted September 7, 2006 Trolsk said: What? I've bought several albums that I've had as mp3 for several months, even years. 600340[/snapback] So have I. But that doesn't mean everybody else does it. Quote
echo void Posted September 7, 2006 Posted September 7, 2006 antic said: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/KOXBOX-UNRELEASED-NE...1QQcmdZViewItem 600249[/snapback] thats just wrong... Quote
Guest antic Posted September 7, 2006 Posted September 7, 2006 Trolsk said: What? I've bought several albums that I've had as mp3 for several months, even years. 600340[/snapback] Come on, get real! Even I (and I buy a lot of music considering my budget) was for a long time delaying buying Prometheus' debut album, simply because it was on P2P networks over half a year before it was released. Until then, I knew every sound on it and with continuous flood of new releases it was really hard for me to buy something I already know so well instead of getting something new & exciting... And most of people are much more 'liberal' in those things that I am, so I think Twisted lost big time on that release, even though - musically speaking - it's one of the best albums of last 4-5 years... Quote
Trolsk Posted September 7, 2006 Posted September 7, 2006 antic said: Come on, get real! Even I (and I buy a lot of music considering my budget) was for a long time delaying buying Prometheus' debut album, simply because it was on P2P networks over half a year before it was released. Until then, I knew every sound on it and with continuous flood of new releases it was really hard for me to buy something I already know so well instead of getting something new & exciting... I see what you mean, thing is I don't find myself in a flood of continuous good releases I want to buy. Quote And most of people are much more 'liberal' in those things that I am, so I think Twisted lost big time on that release, even though - musically speaking - it's one of the best albums of last 4-5 years... 600386[/snapback] I really want to like that album a lot, there's so much potential in it, but it just doesn't click so to speak. The previews I've heard of the upcoming album are a lot more exciting though. Quote
Guest antic Posted September 7, 2006 Posted September 7, 2006 Trolsk said: I see what you mean, thing is I don't find myself in a flood of continuous good releases I want to buy. Well, I think it's quite easy to find 2-3 good releases a month - that was the amount of new music I was buying back then. Now it's eBay mostly, because I too can't find almost anything interesting in new releases... Trolsk said: I really want to like that album a lot, there's so much potential in it, but it just doesn't click so to speak. The previews I've heard of the upcoming album are a lot more exciting though. Different courses for different horses That's just an example of how bad promo policy & release schedule (remember that Twisted's music is released few months earlier in Japan, but they also have CD-rippers and internet, as far as I know) can affect sales. And Twisted's a master at it snowball said: i dont get it. Could you elaborate a bit on that? Quote
snowball Posted September 8, 2006 Posted September 8, 2006 antic said: Could you elaborate a bit on that? 600465[/snapback] i thought promos where 3-4 tracks from an upcoming album.not the whole album Quote
Guest antic Posted September 8, 2006 Posted September 8, 2006 snowball said: i thought promos where 3-4 tracks from an upcoming album.not the whole album 600606[/snapback] No, as far as I know nowadays 80-90% of promos look exactly like retail version, simply because the labels have no money to make additional, exclusive pressings for promos... The remaining 10-20% are CDR-s with tracklist on a card and 'real' promos. But that's just what I imagine - we should ask DP or Guy Cohen Quote
snowball Posted September 8, 2006 Posted September 8, 2006 antic said: No, as far as I know nowadays 80-90% of promos look exactly like retail version, simply because the labels have no money to make additional, exclusive pressings for promos... The remaining 10-20% are CDR-s with tracklist on a card and 'real' promos. But that's just what I imagine - we should ask DP or Guy Cohen 600625[/snapback] haha! ok so this guy is selling his promo.what wrong can it do? he is not selling copies of it! oh wait.ppl on the promo list are trusted people from the labels,that wont publish the stuff in the net?so this guy is selling it to anybody,that maybe will put it online. thats it? did i figure it out? Quote
traveller Posted September 8, 2006 Posted September 8, 2006 antic said: No, as far as I know nowadays 80-90% of promos look exactly like retail version, simply because the labels have no money to make additional, exclusive pressings for promos... The remaining 10-20% are CDR-s with tracklist on a card and 'real' promos. But that's just what I imagine - we should ask DP or Guy Cohen 600625[/snapback] Twisted has different CD art for promos. Also they don't include the jewel case and the cover art has backside art at the back All the recent ones have had the white design.. Quote
Guest antic Posted September 8, 2006 Posted September 8, 2006 snowball said: oh wait.ppl on the promo list are trusted people from the labels,that wont publish the stuff in the net?so this guy is selling it to anybody,that maybe will put it online. thats it? did i figure it out? yes Quote
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