Cinos Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 At least I personally find it so. No commercial releases have been interesting to me at all. They're just... or rather, they appear as soulless black holes for the meager money I make. No real content. Now, enter the free stuff. Mikseri.net is FULL of awesome goa. Being at school I can't remember any names except the obvious ones like Troll Scientists, but there was that one artists with tracks Scorched, another with Motaatti, plus one third Nick linked me to yesterday. All awesome. The goa spirit can't survive in made-for-money releases, can it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTP Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 the reason for that are different motivation factors Artists that release stuff for money have this money as a motivation factor (which is an EXTERNAL motivation factor) - artists that know they don't get any money have different motivation factors - an inner urge to release the stuff to the public (which is an INNER motivation factor). INNER motivation factors are always better than EXTERNAL ones. The stuff produced with inner motivation factors will always come from your heart, your true heart and not because you want the money. That's the reason. Of course you can say now things like "the artists should not see the money they get as a motivation factor but as a reward" ... but only few are doing that ... as you see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEMO.BOFH Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 the reason for that are different motivation factors Artists that release stuff for money have this money as a motivation factor (which is an EXTERNAL motivation factor) - artists that know they don't get any money have different motivation factors - an inner urge to release the stuff to the public (which is an INNER motivation factor). INNER motivation factors are always better than EXTERNAL ones. The stuff produced with inner motivation factors will always come from your heart, your true heart and not because you want the money. That's the reason. Of course you can say now things like "the artists should not see the money they get as a motivation factor but as a reward" ... but only few are doing that ... as you see. 601629[/snapback] I believe that 90% of all artists WOULD like to get paid for their work in the end. Free exposure of that music MIGHT change that for them, and therefore they release it for free in order to get "discovered". Mind you, some have made it, and I am very happy about that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTP Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 I believe that 90% of all artists WOULD like to get paid for their work in the end. Free exposure of that music MIGHT change that for them, and therefore they release it for free in order to get "discovered". Mind you, some have made it, and I am very happy about that 601641[/snapback] yes, but again it's the motivation factors they must release their best stuff, otherwise they will not get discovered ... so they do give their very best... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lepton Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 I would agree 3 years ago when those mikseri tracks were still fresh .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anoebis Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 well, money as motivation factor is bull shit, ask all those "free" artists to get released on an album (for instance Salakavala) and they will say yes OF COURSE! You reach a broader public (not everyone has internet you know) and I still think there is a difference... Otherwise it IS true that there is loads of good free music on the net, but also tons of crap... And idem dito in the "real" cd scene, very good mixed with not so good... But if you only get free stuff i'm sure you'll miss loads of pearls in the future... as I hope this free-ication of music will force labels to release only the best of the best... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEMO.BOFH Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 I dont know what the situation is for "goa" music, because I dont buy nor do I download any of that music. For the more techy trance scene (also called progressive) I think that the stuff you can buy has a lot better quality than the netstuff that I find. There are som stars out there though, that are really kickin ass! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cinos Posted September 11, 2006 Author Share Posted September 11, 2006 I dont know what the situation is for "goa" music, because I dont buy nor do I download any of that music. For the more techy trance scene (also called progressive) I think that the stuff you can buy has a lot better quality than the netstuff that I find. There are som stars out there though, that are really kickin ass! 601652[/snapback] Yeah, but they aren't the kind of free hippie music that goa is supposed to be, either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaft Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 Mmm, new Goa doesn't really do it for me. Neither did old Goa, bar a few exceptions... A lot of electronic music in general is pretty emotionless, and yes you do have to dig deep to find the gems. But those gems don't always have to be free, you still get the labels that produce amazing music on CD... I wouldn't be so hasty as to go proclaiming that netlabels are the way forward, there's too many of them. I'd rather we stuck to traditional CDs and traditional mail order and release the best of the best than having digital downloads that most often suck. That's just me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Time_Trap Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 At least I personally find it so. No commercial releases have been interesting to me at all. They're just... or rather, they appear as soulless black holes for the meager money I make. No real content. Now, enter the free stuff. Mikseri.net is FULL of awesome goa. Being at school I can't remember any names except the obvious ones like Troll Scientists, but there was that one artists with tracks Scorched, another with Motaatti, plus one third Nick linked me to yesterday. All awesome. The goa spirit can't survive in made-for-money releases, can it? 601626[/snapback] well AVP[aavepoyra](spelling??)] have released 2 albums, in 2005 & 2006.. but generally yes.. AVP Nanoportation Intriga great music of the above i think only AVP have got 2 albums released... Goddess Guerilla and Electro Fluoro Punx.. I have 2 promo albums from Troll Scientists.. nice music, not exactly goa maybe some goa elements now and then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cinos Posted September 11, 2006 Author Share Posted September 11, 2006 well AVP[aavepoyra](spelling??)] have released 2 albums, in 2005 & 2006.. but generally yes.. AVP Nanoportation Intriga great music of the above i think only AVP have got 2 albums released... Goddess Guerilla and Electro Fluoro Punx.. I have 2 promo albums from Troll Scientists.. nice music, not exactly goa maybe some goa elements now and then. 601686[/snapback] Yes, exactly those two. The ones I thought of. Intriga especially. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTP Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 well, money as motivation factor is bull shit, ask all those "free" artists to get released on an album (for instance Salakavala) and they will say yes OF COURSE! You reach a broader public (not everyone has internet you know) and I still think there is a difference... 601649[/snapback] wait, wait ... that's not how I meant it ... of course the artist would say yes in that case, everybody would I wanted to say that when they aren't recognised so much they must give their best to get recognised ... once they are recognised they don't have to give their best anymore because they are recognized/are making money already... Try your above case - he will say yes and the label releases his music. And he gets recognised and makes money. But in the future the quality will get worse because the artist got recognised and got used to fame and money and doesn't work so hard anymore because he sees that he can make money with worse tracks aswell ... and so on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deepdrone Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 It is, Synogen, Mindcrawlers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
echo void Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 I don't think you are looking hard enough... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amphiton Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 Check this out: VA - No Possible Soundz released @ 6D-Soundz and Salakavala - Fractal Fishing @ Faerie Dragon They all have got mikseri.net accounts, they were all released @ Antiscarp before, but listen to it! Much better production, better distribution, they'll get more attention. Free is not bad, but your statement is wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cinos Posted September 12, 2006 Author Share Posted September 12, 2006 Check this out: VA - No Possible Soundz released @ 6D-Soundz and Salakavala - Fractal Fishing @ Faerie Dragon They all have got mikseri.net accounts, they were all released @ Antiscarp before, but listen to it! Much better production, better distribution, they'll get more attention. Free is not bad, but your statement is wrong. 602012[/snapback] Commercial CERTAINLY isn't better either. I can settle for "as good". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Buddha Posted September 12, 2006 Share Posted September 12, 2006 our label will prove everything , from top notch artists that dont make music for the green note , but from people who love the real meaning of psychedelia spirit. and yes we are underground. peace! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemmiwinks Posted September 12, 2006 Share Posted September 12, 2006 The goa spirit can't survive in made-for-money releases, can it? 601626[/snapback] hehe you have a point here... after all, the first trance releases were also by artists who didn't give a fuck on how much money they made, right? And yes, I've stumbled on quite some gems as well... the one I remember best was a certain Khetzal who was promoting his track Ganesha Pramana on this site hehe (talking about this around 2001 that's like 4 years before being officially released... actually if I remeber corectly at that time he wrote his name Qetzal?) also one of THEEEE best goa tracks IMO happens to be free: Artha - DNA... if you can still grab a hold of it, please do, it's one of my all-time top 10 tracks!!! Still can't understand how this guy never released anything oficially yet... maybe if someone from Suntrip sent him an email... *wink wink* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Time_Trap Posted September 12, 2006 Share Posted September 12, 2006 also one of THEEEE best goa tracks IMO happens to be free: Artha - DNA... if you can still grab a hold of it, please do, it's one of my all-time top 10 tracks!!! Still can't understand how this guy never released anything oficially yet... maybe if someone from Suntrip sent him an email... *wink wink* 602375[/snapback] why don't you upload it since it's free/unreleased? couldn't find it did a brief search on psynews.. btw also check VA - Trip To Dreamland (2006) [free compilation, Music Making section]he has a track there.. many nice tracks in fact Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mars Posted September 13, 2006 Share Posted September 13, 2006 I share Cinos' point. Nowadays' Goa producers are really good, can renew, and share ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basilisk Posted September 13, 2006 Share Posted September 13, 2006 I still prefer a pro-quality CD that I can hold in my hands. Luckily with today's technology, even if it isn't economically viable to be releasing the old school style, it is quite possible to have a pro release that listeners around the world can burn a copy of and print a cover for. The thing that boggles my mind is that no one is doing it! Still, there's lots of time... And a little plug... For all your free music needs -> http://www.ektoplazm.com/downloads/ Prospective compilers/netlabels/etc who want a little help getting their stuff on BitTorrent, feel free to contact me... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Buddha Posted September 14, 2006 Share Posted September 14, 2006 .. even if it isn't economically viable to be releasing the old school style, it is quite possible to have a pro release that listeners around the world can burn a copy of and print a cover for. The thing that boggles my mind is that no one is doing it! Still, there's lots of time... 602778[/snapback] yea bro i share your opinion , we are exactly doing that , still lots of work to do about our release but it will come out soon our compilation will go to a mastering studio (i will add details when the compilation is released) it will also feature a jewel case cover ready for printing so... its plug and play! thanks again for your help basilisk! peace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veracohr Posted September 14, 2006 Share Posted September 14, 2006 A lot of electronic music in general is pretty emotionless, and yes you do have to dig deep to find the gems. 601662[/snapback] Somewhat, sure, but I don't think it's any more than any other kind of music. It just requires rethinking your transinterpretation of emotion in music. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Time_Trap Posted September 14, 2006 Share Posted September 14, 2006 Somewhat, sure, but I don't think it's any more than any other kind of music. It just requires rethinking your transinterpretation of emotion in music. 603712[/snapback] very nice said..! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAH Posted September 15, 2006 Share Posted September 15, 2006 ...The thing that boggles my mind is that no one is doing it! Still, there's lots of time... 602778[/snapback] yes there is.... well maybe not lot's of time... and... i dunno about goa... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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