Bahamut Posted October 20, 2006 Share Posted October 20, 2006 so damn expensive... I recently spend the same amount in € on a new PC Have fun with it Otto if you want to do everything legal you may have to spend lots more on VSTi's http://www.native-instruments.com/index.php?id=komplete4_us like this (WOW @ Komplete 4....must....have) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otto Matta Posted October 22, 2006 Author Share Posted October 22, 2006 so damn expensive... I recently spend the same amount in € on a new PC Have fun with it Otto if you want to do everything legal you may have to spend lots more on VSTi's http://www.native-instruments.com/index.php?id=komplete4_us like this (WOW @ Komplete 4....must....have) 624165[/snapback] I'm being optimistic and considering it an investment. Fortunately, this time around they included some synths and various other plug-ins in the package, so combined with the Reason synths and effects I should be just fine for some time to come. I simply don't have the heart to rip these music software designers off by pirating their stuff. I mean, they're as creative as some of the best musicians, and I feel I need to pay them for their magic. Meanwhile, I can't help thinking that there must be some sort of psychological curse to using stolen stuff to create, that it would always be in the back of my mind and would make my music suffer (more than it does already). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEMO.BOFH Posted October 24, 2006 Share Posted October 24, 2006 LOL Here's my faggoty answer: Not sure. Will have to check when I get home. Pretty sure it's 4.01. 626440[/snapback] what the faggot I meant was if it was cubase studio 4 faggot or just plain fagotty cubase4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otto Matta Posted October 24, 2006 Author Share Posted October 24, 2006 LOL what the faggot I meant was if it was cubase studio 4 faggot or just plain fagotty cubase4 626449[/snapback] It's super-faggotty 4. No faggoty "studio" stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEMO.BOFH Posted October 24, 2006 Share Posted October 24, 2006 It's super-faggotty 4. No faggoty "studio" stuff. 626459[/snapback] Haha okey man THe price makes sense to me now then. My upgrade will cost me almost 500 euro I think, so I am going to wait for some time... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otto Matta Posted October 24, 2006 Author Share Posted October 24, 2006 Haha okey man THe price makes sense to me now then. My upgrade will cost me almost 500 euro I think, so I am going to wait for some time... 626464[/snapback] This is my first experience with Cubase and I'm totally blown away by how much more advanced (and complicated) it is compared to Reason. And how, for instance, to my sheer delight, the sounds are so much more usable and interesting. However, taking into consideration what Colin says about it, they've made some changes and added a bunch of VST synths and stuff, but if you're already used to SX and already have a bunch of sound modules, it might not be necessary for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin OOOD Posted October 25, 2006 Share Posted October 25, 2006 Drag-and-drop in the inserts is a must-have for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otto Matta Posted October 28, 2006 Author Share Posted October 28, 2006 Yikes, it's really buggy. I hope they iron some of that shit out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otto Matta Posted March 12, 2007 Author Share Posted March 12, 2007 It appears that the recent Cubase 4 update (4.0.2) is more stable, which makes me happy. I haven't touched the damn thing since October because it was flaky out of the box. However, it seems it has the tendency to crash on people willy-nilly. ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin OOOD Posted March 12, 2007 Share Posted March 12, 2007 It appears that the recent Cubase 4 update (4.0.2) is more stable, which makes me happy. I haven't touched the damn thing since October because it was flaky out of the box. However, it seems it has the tendency to crash on people willy-nilly. ... 4.0.2 is crashing too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otto Matta Posted March 12, 2007 Author Share Posted March 12, 2007 4.0.2 is crashing too?According to lots of people at the Cubase forum, yes. Seems it's either super-stable for people or it's crashtastic for others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
needle ninja Posted March 13, 2007 Share Posted March 13, 2007 Back in 2000 or 2001 I bought Logic Audio Silver for $400. and I think I used it three times before diching the damn thing for something simpler. It had a diskette that allowed me to install it three times and with new computers/crashes that went fast... I feel for you Auto, that sucks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otto Matta Posted March 13, 2007 Author Share Posted March 13, 2007 Well, fortunately, my biggest problem from before - an inordinate amount of CPU hogging - seems to be solved now. I haven't given it a good spin since the update, so I don't know if it's going to crash on me regularly. If it doesn't, then I think I'll have spent good money (which was a lot). So I'm actually optimistic. Meanwhile, I think it's going to be hard to leave Reason for good, since it's such a super-stable and easy program to work with, and we've had a very fun and active year together. Ultimately, I think finding a nice balance between the two will be ideal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike A Posted March 13, 2007 Share Posted March 13, 2007 Cubase = Sonar? no sonar is another sequencer www.cakewalk.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin OOOD Posted March 13, 2007 Share Posted March 13, 2007 Well, fortunately, my biggest problem from before - an inordinate amount of CPU hogging - seems to be solved now. I haven't given it a good spin since the update, so I don't know if it's going to crash on me regularly. If it doesn't, then I think I'll have spent good money (which was a lot). So I'm actually optimistic. Meanwhile, I think it's going to be hard to leave Reason for good, since it's such a super-stable and easy program to work with, and we've had a very fun and active year together. Ultimately, I think finding a nice balance between the two will be ideal. Something for you to try, Per. Next Reason track you make, don't use the Reason mixers at all but Rewire each sound individually to Cubase 4, and balance it there. You can still use Reason devices in the chain for each sound but avoid the mixers. I think you'll be pleasantly surprised! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reznik Posted March 13, 2007 Share Posted March 13, 2007 I think you'll be pleasantly surprised!by what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEMO.BOFH Posted March 13, 2007 Share Posted March 13, 2007 Something for you to try, Per. Next Reason track you make, don't use the Reason mixers at all but Rewire each sound individually to Cubase 4, and balance it there. You can still use Reason devices in the chain for each sound but avoid the mixers. I think you'll be pleasantly surprised!+1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otto Matta Posted March 13, 2007 Author Share Posted March 13, 2007 Something for you to try, Per. Next Reason track you make, don't use the Reason mixers at all but Rewire each sound individually to Cubase 4, and balance it there. You can still use Reason devices in the chain for each sound but avoid the mixers. I think you'll be pleasantly surprised!I've been meaning to try this, Colin, when Cubase came out with a more stable update, especially since you've been recommending this for some time. Now I just have to figure out how to do it. Are there decent instructions in the Cubase manuals? Or maybe a good source on the Internet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin OOOD Posted March 14, 2007 Share Posted March 14, 2007 I've been meaning to try this, Colin, when Cubase came out with a more stable update, especially since you've been recommending this for some time. Now I just have to figure out how to do it. Are there decent instructions in the Cubase manuals? Or maybe a good source on the Internet? First start Cubase. When Cubase has fully loaded (important!) start Reason. Reason is now running in Rewire mode and can output audio only to Cubase. Next (assuming the menu structure is the same as in SX3): Devices -> Reason brings up the Reason Rewire channel window. Activate as many Reason channels as you think you'll need; you can always activate more later if you need to. Each channel you activate shows up in the Cubase mixer (make sure Rewire channels are not hidden). Then in Reason, connect your devices to the appropriate inputs of the Reason Hardware Interface. Now use the Cubase mixer to balance your track and add send FX etc. Note that channels 1 & 2 are the only stereo pair - to work with stereo sources coming out of Reason I tend to put each Reason channel pair into a stereo Group channel in Cubase, then hide those Rewire channels and work only on the group. If you also use groups as FX sends, or will be further grouping your Reason channels it's essential to create a large number of groups at the start of the project and use only low-numbered groups to combine stereo Rewire channels. This is down to a limitation in the Cubase audio engine (unfixed as of Cubase 4.0.2) and is a FUCKING HASSLE but there you go. If you want to use Cubase to sequence devices in Reason, note that when running in Rewire mode, each device created in Reason becomes available as a MIDI output in the Cubase Track Inspector. To automate Reason parameters you'll need to look up the CC table for each device; it's in the Start Menu as 'MIDI Implementation Charts.pdf'. Hope this helps! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otto Matta Posted March 14, 2007 Author Share Posted March 14, 2007 First start Cubase. When Cubase has fully loaded (important!) start Reason. Reason is now running in Rewire mode and can output audio only to Cubase. Next (assuming the menu structure is the same as in SX3): Devices -> Reason brings up the Reason Rewire channel window. Activate as many Reason channels as you think you'll need; you can always activate more later if you need to. Each channel you activate shows up in the Cubase mixer (make sure Rewire channels are not hidden). Then in Reason, connect your devices to the appropriate inputs of the Reason Hardware Interface. Now use the Cubase mixer to balance your track and add send FX etc. Note that channels 1 & 2 are the only stereo pair - to work with stereo sources coming out of Reason I tend to put each Reason channel pair into a stereo Group channel in Cubase, then hide those Rewire channels and work only on the group. If you also use groups as FX sends, or will be further grouping your Reason channels it's essential to create a large number of groups at the start of the project and use only low-numbered groups to combine stereo Rewire channels. This is down to a limitation in the Cubase audio engine (unfixed as of Cubase 4.0.2) and is a FUCKING HASSLE but there you go. If you want to use Cubase to sequence devices in Reason, note that when running in Rewire mode, each device created in Reason becomes available as a MIDI output in the Cubase Track Inspector. To automate Reason parameters you'll need to look up the CC table for each device; it's in the Start Menu as 'MIDI Implementation Charts.pdf'. Hope this helps! Colin, you are my hero to share this information with me. I'm going to try this tonight when I get home from work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEMO.BOFH Posted March 15, 2007 Share Posted March 15, 2007 First start Cubase. When Cubase has fully loaded (important!) start Reason. Reason is now running in Rewire mode and can output audio only to Cubase. Next (assuming the menu structure is the same as in SX3): Devices -> Reason brings up the Reason Rewire channel window. Activate as many Reason channels as you think you'll need; you can always activate more later if you need to. Each channel you activate shows up in the Cubase mixer (make sure Rewire channels are not hidden). Then in Reason, connect your devices to the appropriate inputs of the Reason Hardware Interface. Now use the Cubase mixer to balance your track and add send FX etc. Note that channels 1 & 2 are the only stereo pair - to work with stereo sources coming out of Reason I tend to put each Reason channel pair into a stereo Group channel in Cubase, then hide those Rewire channels and work only on the group. If you also use groups as FX sends, or will be further grouping your Reason channels it's essential to create a large number of groups at the start of the project and use only low-numbered groups to combine stereo Rewire channels. This is down to a limitation in the Cubase audio engine (unfixed as of Cubase 4.0.2) and is a FUCKING HASSLE but there you go. If you want to use Cubase to sequence devices in Reason, note that when running in Rewire mode, each device created in Reason becomes available as a MIDI output in the Cubase Track Inspector. To automate Reason parameters you'll need to look up the CC table for each device; it's in the Start Menu as 'MIDI Implementation Charts.pdf'. Hope this helps! Don't you have to activate it first in Cubase and THEN you start it? It was like that in SX2 thats for sure. I haven't even gotten Reason installed now, so I couldn't test it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin OOOD Posted March 15, 2007 Share Posted March 15, 2007 Don't you have to activate it first in Cubase and THEN you start it? It was like that in SX2 thats for sure. I haven't even gotten Reason installed now, so I couldn't test it Nope... I'm pretty sure you can turn on Reason channels at any time, even if Reason itself isn't running. The only thing that needs to happen in order for Rewire to work properly is to start Cubase first, then Reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otto Matta Posted March 15, 2007 Author Share Posted March 15, 2007 Okay, the farthest I was able to get last night was having Cubase trigger Reason's sequencer. But I was unable to get individual tracks into the Cubase mixer. I was able to assign different instruments to different channels, and Cubase was picking up a MIDI signal, but I wasn't able to hear any sound. I'm sure it's a settings issue of some sort, so I'll see if I can find something in the manual/online about how exactly to configure the programs. This technical stuff is not a talent of mine, sad to say. I'll get there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PsyOP Posted March 26, 2007 Share Posted March 26, 2007 it seem's that cubase 4 came out with few bugs, there is a new update that fixes many of them. vst 3 uses only the plugins that have audio running true them, it should save a few cpu cycles. i use sx 3.1 and am very happy with it, and i can't live without some of my direct x plugins, i don't want to use a wrapper in cubase 4. i'll stick with sx 3 for now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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