Goa Bill Posted October 29, 2006 Author Share Posted October 29, 2006 Will it get the sticker ? Has it been certified ? :-) - Krell 629418[/snapback] Yes, the sticker is issued and will be attached to the next batch. Isan and Schnauss are old. 629490[/snapback] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oopie Posted October 29, 2006 Share Posted October 29, 2006 Trentemoeller isn't idm. Isan and Schnauss are old. it's like discovering Hallucinogen or Shpongle 10 years after ))) 629490[/snapback] Yes but they're new to Pavel. So please, let the man have his joy of experiencing new sounds, and stop expecting everybody to be on the same line with your musical development. have a nice day. -oopie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supergroover Posted October 29, 2006 Share Posted October 29, 2006 BTW, i heard Kukan-Dub-Lagan a month ago live and i've totally changed my mind about his music. It's quite ok 629352[/snapback] Really? I thought it was one fine example of generic sounding psy-(chill)-dub... superficial and all.. edit: this was snapinho not supergroover! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reger Posted October 29, 2006 Share Posted October 29, 2006 Yes but they're new to Pavel. So please, let the man have his joy of experiencing new sounds, and stop expecting everybody to be on the same line with your musical development. have a nice day. -oopie 629610[/snapback] well i got news for you oopie, perhaps, perhaps im experiencing new sounds too and dont think that psy chill sucks at all, what now, what should we do then? lock this thread and ban pavel, or? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insejn Posted October 29, 2006 Share Posted October 29, 2006 Psyknights doesn't suck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oopie Posted October 29, 2006 Share Posted October 29, 2006 well i got news for you oopie, perhaps, perhaps im experiencing new sounds too and dont think that psy chill sucks at all, what now, what should we do then? lock this thread and ban pavel, or? 629634[/snapback] it seems to me Pavel is looking for acceptance for his taste. (having group's acceptance can be reflected on your self-image) what many people seem to lack is respect. having a topic "psychill sucks" is purely negative in its meaning and creates 1) bigger delusions of your "better/right" taste 2) negative debate music has no absolute value, and gets meaning only when one gives it an opinion. So you see, one should learn to enjoy the possibility of getting something out of music, and leave the negative aspect out of it since it just adds negativity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abasio Posted October 29, 2006 Share Posted October 29, 2006 I like psy chill! I listen to lots of it & I still get into it. Try not to burn yourself out in any genre guys! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goa Bill Posted October 29, 2006 Author Share Posted October 29, 2006 it seems to me Pavel is looking for acceptance for his taste. (having group's acceptance can be reflected on your self-image) what many people seem to lack is respect. having a topic "psychill sucks" is purely negative in its meaning and creates 1) bigger delusions of your "better/right" taste 2) negative debate music has no absolute value, and gets meaning only when one gives it an opinion. So you see, one should learn to enjoy the possibility of getting something out of music, and leave the negative aspect out of it since it just adds negativity. 629682[/snapback] You are smart beyond your years. But psy chill still sucks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ritual om Posted October 30, 2006 Share Posted October 30, 2006 Please dont ever mention Namlook and Schnauss again on this forum. We are simply not worthy to speak about them. Lets open a couple more Skazi threads to have something to speak about. 628816[/snapback] whoever releases something on public,should be judjed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ritual om Posted October 30, 2006 Share Posted October 30, 2006 Psyknights doesn't suck. 629642[/snapback] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NT Posted October 30, 2006 Share Posted October 30, 2006 Of course there were, that's what the dots stand for. But yes, it has gotten stale, most acts seem to have run out of creativity. We need new influences! More crossover, more eclecticism! Look the other way, check out some funk, hiphop, psychedelic rock, breakbeats, reggae, soul, clicks and cuts, turntablism, atmospheric stuff, whatever. But please: innovate!! 629166[/snapback] Yes, I agree.... plus: They should quit tagging everything with "PSY" nowadays! I'm damn tired of all those so called "OMG! WTF! PSYDRUMNBASSBREAKBEATCHILLOUTLOUNGEJAZZMETALGRINDCORETRANCE" self invented 'PSY genres' which have nothing to do with 'psytrance/psychedelic' bla. in the first place! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goa Bill Posted October 30, 2006 Author Share Posted October 30, 2006 Yes, I agree.... plus: They should quit tagging everything with "PSY" nowadays! I'm damn tired of all those so called "OMG! WTF! PSYDRUMNBASSBREAKBEATCHILLOUTLOUNGEJAZZMETALGRINDCORETRANCE" self invented 'PSY genres' which have nothing to do with 'psytrance/psychedelic' bla. in the first place! 630101[/snapback] Psyporn, Psycereals, psytumor, psycar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PKS Posted October 30, 2006 Share Posted October 30, 2006 "I'm cool because I am listening to something different from you. I have finally grown up. The music I listen to is better than your music bla bla bla". The above sentences is how I translated the headline of this forum topic... I think the people in this discussion can be divided into two kinds of people: THE OPEN MINDED music listeners and THE NARROW MINDED music listeners... Personally, I have listened to other kinds of electronic music/deep ambient music long before I listened to anything related to psy. Here in Norway, we have a good ambient artist called Biosphere, who relesed an album allready in 1991. Something that made me start listening to electronic music in the first place... By the years, I have listened to all kinds of electronic music, and I like many different kinds of music... For example Ulrich Schnauss who was mentioned here. He makes good music, but nothing "NEW" anymore... If you have heard a couple of Schanuss tracks, you will recognise the rest... About Trentemøller... Sure, he makes good music too, but nothing really groundbreaking/never done before... Trentemøller is good, but for sure THE BIG HYPE this year by music magazines etc worldwide... What's funny to see here, is that some of you on this forum has totally swallowed this media hype, and see it as something totally groundbreaking/never done before thing... That tells me how little you know about electronic music... Been stuck in a bubble of Shpongle the last ten years??? What always surprise me here on this forum or other places where "psy people" hang out, is how little open minded people are... Either, WE ONLY LIKE SHPONGLE or it's: NOW I ONLY LIKE TRENTEMØLLER/TO HELL WITH THE REST... Childish statements that really shows clearly how little openminded you are about music in general... Some of us manage to appreciate different kinds of music. I listen to beautiful psychill WHEN I AM IN THE MOOD FOR IT! I believe my demand for different kinds of music comes with the mood and place I am in... I can listen to everything from jazz to rough, minimal techno. Something some of you obviously don't handle at all... Right now, I'm listening to Pete namlook (something I have done for over ten years now). Still I don't throw my beautuful psy chill in the garbage... I mean, some of namlooks productions are extremly simple, and not that interesting. Still, I respect what he does... What comes out of Fax (the ideas) these days, is all done hundreds of times before... I even saw my releases on Chill Tribe Records is mentioned here. And I totally understand it. The two compilations has several different kinds of chill on them (=too much to handle for someone who only likes Trentemøller). From deep ambient/IDM (Circular/Saafi Brothers), to tribal/ethnic chill (Adham Shaikh(Makyo), to dubby Ott like soundscapes (jong) etc. It's obvious that some people just can't handel more than one style... But it's freedom of speach, and you can blame psychill as much as you want, but in the end, you are the narrow minded. Maybe one day you can appreciate more styles of music. That's when you are grown up in my opinion.... PKS (WHO DOESN'T LET SOME MEDIA HYPE BRAINWASH MY MUSIC TASTE....) Congratulations to Pavel for discoverring other kinds of music, 15 YEARS AFTER some of us.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otto Matta Posted October 30, 2006 Share Posted October 30, 2006 "I'm cool because I am listening to something different from you. I have finally grown up. The music I listen to is better than your music bla bla bla". The above sentences is how I translated the headline of this forum topic... I think the people in this discussion can be divided into two kinds of people: THE OPEN MINDED music listeners and THE NARROW MINDED music listeners... Personally, I have listened to other kinds of electronic music/deep ambient music long before I listened to anything related to psy. Here in Norway, we have a good ambient artist called Biosphere, who relesed an album allready in 1991. Something that made me start listening to electronic music in the first place... By the years, I have listened to all kinds of electronic music, and I like many different kinds of music... For example Ulrich Schnauss who was mentioned here. He makes good music, but nothing "NEW" anymore... If you have heard a couple of Schanuss tracks, you will recognise the rest... About Trentemøller... Sure, he makes good music too, but nothing really groundbreaking/never done before... Trentemøller is good, but for sure THE BIG HYPE this year by music magazines etc worldwide... What's funny to see here, is that some of you on this forum has totally swallowed this media hype, and see it as something totally groundbreaking/never done before thing... That tells me how little you know about electronic music... Been stuck in a bubble of Shpongle the last ten years??? What always surprise me here on this forum or other places where "psy people" hang out, is how little open minded people are... Either, WE ONLY LIKE SHPONGLE or it's: NOW I ONLY LIKE TRENTEMØLLER/TO HELL WITH THE REST... Childish statements that really shows clearly how little openminded you are about music in general... Some of us manage to appreciate different kinds of music. I listen to beautiful psychill WHEN I AM IN THE MOOD FOR IT! I believe my demand for different kinds of music comes with the mood and place I am in... I can listen to everything from jazz to rough, minimal techno. Something some of you obviously don't handle at all... Right now, I'm listening to Pete namlook (something I have done for over ten years now). Still I don't throw my beautuful psy chill in the garbage... I mean, some of namlooks productions are extremly simple, and not that interesting. Still, I respect what he does... What comes out of Fax (the ideas) these days, is all done hundreds of times before... I even saw my releases on Chill Tribe Records is mentioned here. And I totally understand it. The two compilations has several different kinds of chill on them (=too much to handle for someone who only likes Trentemøller). From deep ambient/IDM (Circular/Saafi Brothers), to tribal/ethnic chill (Adham Shaikh(Makyo), to dubby Ott like soundscapes (jong) etc. It's obvious that some people just can't handel more than one style... But it's freedom of speach, and you can blame psychill as much as you want, but in the end, you are the narrow minded. Maybe one day you can appreciate more styles of music. That's when you are grown up in my opinion.... PKS (WHO DOESN'T LET SOME MEDIA HYPE BRAINWASH MY MUSIC TASTE....) Congratulations to Pavel for discoverring other kinds of music, 15 YEARS AFTER some of us.... 630162[/snapback] Your statements are not convincing, I'm sorry to say. It's clear you're passionate about the music you like, and that which you've put a lot of effort into, with varying results. But at the same time I think you refuse to recognize that an abundance of opinion ultimately equals a sort of truth. And the truth in this case points to the idea that the psy chill scene has been in the process of stagnation for some time now, and the other genres are getting more and more of people's attention. Furthermore, many of the voices here add up to the idea that psy chill is going to have to adjust in order to be listenable again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PKS Posted October 30, 2006 Share Posted October 30, 2006 And the truth in this case points to the idea that the psy chill scene has been in the process of stagnation for some time now, and the other genres are getting more and more of people's attention. 630166[/snapback] Exactly. You are right that some psy chill artists have stagnated... But, I think the same goes for many other genres... That the other genres get more attention is ok for me, but is that a good enough reason to talk shit about ALL psy chill in general? THAT, is what's bothering me here... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otto Matta Posted October 30, 2006 Share Posted October 30, 2006 Exactly. You are right that some psy chill artists have stagnated... But, I think the same goes for many other genres... That the other genres get more attention is ok for me, but is that a good enough reason to talk shit about ALL psy chill in general? THAT, is what's bothering me here... 630170[/snapback] You're too close to it, and are therefore taking offense. Meanwhile, it is the criticism - the pressure - from the people that leads to change. And change is almost always a good thing, don't you agree? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anoebis Posted October 30, 2006 Share Posted October 30, 2006 You're too close to it, and are therefore taking offense. Meanwhile, it is the criticism - the pressure - from the people that leads to change. And change is almost always a good thing, don't you agree? 630173[/snapback] lol, is it? I have seen people complain about full on on 20 forums, and nothing has changed... or yes, it did... it became worse About the psy chill, didn't get bored with it and still enjoying it, so no reason for me for saying no to a whole genre, but that's just my opinion of course Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaft Posted October 30, 2006 Share Posted October 30, 2006 To be honest I don't believe PKS's releases are deserving of the sucky label. I agree that some psychill is getting stale, but there's some fresh releases this year that still push the bar. Yes I want innovation in music, but that's extremely hard to find. The best thing is to explore another genre completely - I remember when I was into hard rock/metal a few years back, I wouldn't go near any of this 'psy stuff'. Immediately when I discover Infected, Shpongle etc I think they're amazing because it's a completely different sound to my ears. Too many artists copycat each other, but it doesn't mean the genre sucks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PKS Posted October 30, 2006 Share Posted October 30, 2006 And change is almost always a good thing, don't you agree? 630173[/snapback] Well, to be honest, I am of the opinion that electronic music will never again become as good as it was in 1994 - 1996, so I think many genres has taken bad directions... I'm sure some psy chill artists should develope their sound, but still I see it a bit unfair to put ALL psy chill under one here... For example on Relaxed Journeys, you have ten different artists, with ten different styles of ambient/psychill/tribal etc. Still, all of them sound like Entheogenic to some of you? Anyway, I find the word psychill very stupid. It doesn't say anything about the style... Who decides what is psychill?? Is Saafi Brothers psychill just because they released their music on a psytrance label back in the days?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PKS Posted October 30, 2006 Share Posted October 30, 2006 To be honest I don't believe PKS's releases are deserving of the sucky label. Thanks Shaft! Anyway, with Chill Tribe, I try to present many different kinds of Chill, not only psy related stuff... That's why I have brought Circular in (Biosphere alike ambient), Saafi Brothers (deep, hypnotic ambient), Adhah Shaikh, Makyo etc. (tribal chill), Entheogenic (psychill?), etc... I will also release an album by Polyploid, which is a break beat album (sort of like Deviant Electronics). Deviant Electronics is also participating on one of the tracks on this album. The next compilation on Chill Tribe, will have rock influences (Nick Taylor, the Prana/Snake Thing guy), dark vibes (Kris Kylven, the UX/Syb-Unity Nettwerk guy), idm chill (bluetech), housy chill (Digital Mystery Tour), atmospheric chill (Robert Leiner, the Source Experience guy) etc... With other words, VARIATION. Something those who only manage to like one style, probably will disslike... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insejn Posted October 30, 2006 Share Posted October 30, 2006 I will also release an album by Polyploid, which is a break beat album (sort of like Deviant Electronics). Deviant Electronics is also participating on one of the tracks on this album. 630180[/snapback] OMG! I can't wait. Are there any samples or something I can listen to? I never heard Polyploid but I simply LOVE Deviant Electronics. How about signing him for an album too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otto Matta Posted October 30, 2006 Share Posted October 30, 2006 Thanks Shaft! Anyway, with Chill Tribe, I try to present many different kinds of Chill, not only psy related stuff... That's why I have brought Circular in (Biosphere alike ambient), Saafi Brothers (deep, hypnotic ambient), Adhah Shaikh, Makyo etc. (tribal chill), Entheogenic (psychill?), etc... I will also release an album by Polyploid, which is a break beat album (sort of like Deviant Electronics). Deviant Electronics is also participating on one of the tracks on this album. The next compilation on Chill Tribe, will have rock influences (Nick Taylor, the Prana/Snake Thing guy), dark vibes (Kris Kylven, the UX/Syb-Unity Nettwerk guy), idm chill (bluetech), housy chill (Digital Mystery Tour), atmospheric chill (Robert Leiner, the Source Experience guy) etc... With other words, VARIATION. Something those who only manage to like one style, probably will disslike... 630180[/snapback] Sounds cool, man. Let's hope it doesn't sound like Interchill circa 2000. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PKS Posted October 30, 2006 Share Posted October 30, 2006 OMG! I can't wait. Are there any samples or something I can listen to? I never heard Polyploid but I simply LOVE Deviant Electronics. How about signing him for an album too? 630182[/snapback] Glad you like that style too... Polyploid is Chris Gannon: http://www.discogs.com/artist/Chris+Gannon who has been away "from the scene" for a few years. I will post more info and sound samples when it is closer to release date... And about Deviant Electronics... I am a HUGE FAN too... I have been in touch with him about releasing music on Chill Tribe too, something that actually might happen... But, at the moment, he has just become a father, and is very busy making music for computer games... So, we will see... Fingers crossed...!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insejn Posted October 30, 2006 Share Posted October 30, 2006 Glad you like that style too... Polyploid is Chris Gannon: http://www.discogs.com/artist/Chris+Gannon who has been away "from the scene" for a few years. I will post more info and sound samples when it is closer to release date... And about Deviant Electronics... I am a HUGE FAN too... I have been in touch with him about releasing music on Chill Tribe too, something that actually might happen... But, at the moment, he has just become a father, and is very busy making music for computer games... So, we will see... Fingers crossed...!! 630186[/snapback] Thanks for the info. So, when is the release date? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaft Posted October 30, 2006 Share Posted October 30, 2006 I will also release an album by Polyploid, which is a break beat album (sort of like Deviant Electronics). Deviant Electronics is also participating on one of the tracks on this album. The next compilation on Chill Tribe, will have rock influences (Nick Taylor, the Prana/Snake Thing guy), dark vibes (Kris Kylven, the UX/Syb-Unity Nettwerk guy), idm chill (bluetech), housy chill (Digital Mystery Tour), atmospheric chill (Robert Leiner, the Source Experience guy) etc... 630180[/snapback] Sounds incredibly hot. Good luck! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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