soem aeld Posted October 2, 2002 Share Posted October 2, 2002 "everyone is stupid" - soem aeld Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Elysium Project Posted October 2, 2002 Share Posted October 2, 2002 Well PuuhaMees at least I have the courage to say what I feel.... And I am not proving anything about myself...I know who I am and what I am. I guess you should take a closer look at yourself instead of judging me for thinking that TIP and Raj is way off with the releases and their drug worshipping! It's sad to see that people like you can't communicate and discuss things without being personal! Again what has my age to do with hanging out in this forum? Is this forum only for young people?.... No I am not going to call Raj tonight but I will tell him or Richard what I think about their lack of warnings against drugs on their cover. - When I see them... How can you compare Raj with Sokrates? Sokrates was in a whole diffrent ball game...and way more intelligent! PuuhaMees the difference between you and me is that you do not tollerate that people have a different opinion about drugs than you and that we who see things differently that you speak out about it. I have never claimed that TIP and Raj shouldn't release the CD...all I said was that it was irresponsible not to add a warning on the sleeve and that it strongly seem like they have no problems with promoting drugs to all the kids in this scene. You are of course welcome to flame me more and use my age as an excuse for your lack of solid argumentation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest PuuhaMees Posted October 2, 2002 Share Posted October 2, 2002 "drug worshipping" "people that have done drugs way too much" "Sokrates was in a whole diffrent ball game...and way more intelligent!" Hey Elysium, what the hell should I make of what u r saying?. U accuse me of being personal, well maybe I am, but so r u and those r just my opinions like those above r yours. Nevermind alltogether because we r obviously also playing a totally different ball game, so on my behalf we can leave it to that. I have no intention of taking your opinions away from u. PuuhaMees PS. Is psytrance made 4 children especially, I know from experience that small kids love the sounds, but r children the target group...what happened to the smurfs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Elysium Project Posted October 2, 2002 Share Posted October 2, 2002 Where was I personal? I stated it as I see it. I did not say that these people were jerks or idiots. I have never said that I did not like them personal..All I said was that they act irresponsible and that they seem to worship drugs...I do not find that a personal attack but an opinion. And the intelligense statement..Yes I do think that Socrates was more intelligent than Raj is....Again it's nothing personal just an observation. PuuhaMess you say: "PS. Is psytrance made 4 children especially, I know from experience that small kids love the sounds, but r children the target group...what happened to the smurfs?" Obviously you haven't understood what I meant. I meant that a lot of the people in this scene are very young (kids) - and they do get younger and younger - and that many of them haven't tried drugs. The group preasure for trying drugs is big enough and they don't need an artists, DJ or label - which they in many cases look up to - to tell them that drugs are cool. And yes I do think that a CD with a drug theme without ant warnings is the same as telling these "young" people that it's cool to do drugs. The comment about "people that have done too much drugs" is made out of the fact that I know most of the people behind TIP and most of teh DJ's and artists on the CD. And yes I do believe that some of them would benefit from giving a clean lifestyle a chance. heck Raj has done in a big style drugs since the 60's. Maybe a pause would make him and the rest of the TIP crowd realise that there are so many other "concepts" in life that he could use in his music. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest PuuhaMees Posted October 2, 2002 Share Posted October 2, 2002 Hahahahaaaa. Nothing to add. Glad that u told me what my problem is, this will make me a better person. It is nice to have open minded & mentally healthy ppl around this forum like u Elysium "The cleaner of the scene". I am just a wacco, pay no attention & I will leave, PuuhaMees ps. U r one fucking meathead Elysium. Hey is that not cool, I was brave enough to say what I truly feel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest PuuhaMees Posted October 2, 2002 Share Posted October 2, 2002 Hahahahaaaa. Nothing to add. Glad that u told me what my problem is, this will make me a better person. It is nice to have open minded & mentally healthy ppl around this forum like u Elysium "The cleaner of the scene". I am just a wacco, pay no attention & I will leave, PuuhaMees ps. U r one fucking meathead Elysium. Hey is that not cool, I was brave enough to say what I truly feel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soem aeld Posted October 2, 2002 Share Posted October 2, 2002 I don't know if the brain counts as meat tho.. I'm not sure on this one tho.. I might be wrong.. don't kill me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest PuuhaMees Posted October 2, 2002 Share Posted October 2, 2002 What brains? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest spacemonkey - 604 Posted October 2, 2002 Share Posted October 2, 2002 this of ourse depends on your definition of meat. The brain is an organ, and what we consider as meat is mostly muscles and fhat. the brain can be eaten though, and if your definition of meat would be "muscles and fhat", the heart as an organ but it is mostly muscle (and fhat in some cases. this becomes quite confucing mayby the brain is meat, and mayby not, lets first eat lots of meat then lots of organs, and lots of brains mayby we can determine a difference and regroup them a bit for the sake of all brainiacs! ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mijis Posted October 2, 2002 Share Posted October 2, 2002 i cant believe that people dont understand , lsd is a psychedellic drug that fuck your brain very bad and fucks music too , drugs are harming the psy scene now young kids like puhamees think that raja ram is cool and talented , if you are reffering to shpongle , the real talented one is simon postford not raja ram he is not a genius he his just an irresponsable bussinesman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soem aeld Posted October 2, 2002 Share Posted October 2, 2002 spacemonkey - 604, I still believe that meat = muscles tho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest mijis Posted October 2, 2002 Share Posted October 2, 2002 by the way the cover is horrible hehehe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest spacemonkey - 604 Posted October 2, 2002 Share Posted October 2, 2002 muscle beat manifesto! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Firestorm Posted October 2, 2002 Share Posted October 2, 2002 Hallucinogen - LSD, mmmmmmm best track ever (closely followed by Shamanix) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest PuuhaMees Posted October 3, 2002 Share Posted October 3, 2002 Mijis u make crack LOL. Cool a lot of meatheads it seems )))))))). PuuhaMees the YounGun ps. thanks for the compliment Mijis, I feel like a teenie again . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest scrodes Posted October 3, 2002 Share Posted October 3, 2002 Quintessence Personnel: SAMBHU BABAJI bs A B MAHA DEV gtr A SHIVA SHANKAR JONES vcls, keyb'ds A JAKE MILTON drms A B ALAN MOSTERT gtr A B RAJA RAM flute, violin, perc A B ALBUMS: 1(A) IN BLISSFUL COMPANY (Island ILPS 9110) 1969 SC - 2(A) QUINTESSENCE (Island ILPS 9128) 1970 SC 22 3(A) DIVE DEEP (Island ILPS 9143) 1970 43 4(A) SELF (RCA SF 8273) 1971 50 5( INDWELLER (RCA SF 8317) 1972 - NB: (4) and (5) reissued on one CD (Drop Out DOCD 1982). There's also a compilation CD from their first three albums, Epitaph For Tomorrow (Drop Out DOCD 1986). 45s: 1 Notting Hill Gate/Move Into The Light (Island WIP 6075) 1970 2 Sweet Jesus/You Never Stay The Same (PS) (Neon NE 1003) 1971 This underground group was formed in response to an advert in 'Melody Maker' and after auditioning had been held in All Saints Hall, Notting Hill Gate. The guiding lights were Raja Ram (who'd been born Ron Rothfield in 1940 in Melbourne, Australia) and Sambhu Babaji. Their music was a fusion of jazz, rock and Eastern music which made great use of jazzy flute and rock guitars. At times they veered towards the pretentious but at their best they were able to achieve a high degree of spiritual union with their audience through the chanting of mantras. In Blissful Company was recorded a few weeks after their formation following their rapid success in getting the audience to their feet at consecutive Implosion underground events at the Roundhouse in 1969. The self-titled Quintessence followed the next year. Very much a period piece it hasn't aged well. The opening track, Jesus, Buddha, Moses, Gauranga has a haunting quality and several other cuts like High On Mt. Koilash, Shiva's Chant, Moho Mantra and the finale, Infinitum are based around mantras and achieve a spiritual feel. Of the remaining material Burning Bush contains some good fuzz guitar and Prisms exudes an aura of freshness and optimism. The remaining cuts are rather tedious, mostly instrumental freak-outs. Dive Deep is generally less spiritual (the exception being the final track Sri Ram Chant). It's comprised of pleasant, predominantly instrumental longer tracks (six in all), of which the title cut and Sri Ram Chant sound the best. Much of the material is too self-indulgent. They can also be heard playing Jesus, Buddha, Moses, Gauranga on Bumpers; Dive Deep on El Pea and Gungamai on Nice Enough To Eat. Shiva and Maha Dev left after the partly live Self album. Shiva went on to form the similar Kala. A compilation CD was issued on Demon in 1993. More recently, Notting Hill Gate, their debut 45, has been given another airing on the Age Of Enlightenment - Prog Rock, Vol. One. For more information check the following website:- http://www.mooncowhq.ch/Mooncowhq/mooncowhq.html AND Raja Ram (b. Ron Rothfield), who had trained as a jazz flautist in the 50s and played in the band Quintessence in the 60s, began making music with Graham Wood as the Infinity Project in 1989. Over the next few years they experimented with a kind of abstract techno gradually forming a sound that became known as the psychedelic or "Goa" trance, often in collaboration with Simon Posford (Hallucinogen), Nick Barber (Doof) and Martin Freeland (Man With No Name). After producing material on DATs and white labels, in 1992 they started to release their music via the labels Fabulous ("Freedom From The Flesh"), Spiritzone ("Telepathy/Binary Neuronaut") and Dragonfly Records ("Bizarro", "Time And Space", "Super Booster" and "Feeling Very Wierd"). In 1994, with Ian St. Paul they formed TIP Records and launched the label with "Stimuli/Uforica". At the same time they worked on projects with Posford and others, including the Mystery Of The Yeti album (TIP 1996) and various releases as Total Eclipse. After an ambient album Mystical Experiences (1995) for Blue Room Released, they released "Alien Airport/Hyperspaced" on TIP followed by the album Feeling Wierd which was mostly made up of their previous releases. In the spirit of the Goa scene Feeling Wierd was steeped in psychedelic hippie/sci-fi imagery. While tracks such as "Telepathy", "Stimuli" and the Doof remix of "Hyperspaced" successfully blend the rigid four-on-the-floor rhythms, modal riffs, mysterious dialogue and abstract electronic phasing and filter sweeps that characterize the early psy-trance sound, "Noises From The Darkness" and the early track "Freedom From The Flesh" (written 1992) sound rather limp in comparison. In 1997, the group released the single "Overwind/Incandescence" and contributed the excellent, but rather dark "Mindboggler" to the TIP compilation 3D Wood also began recording as Excess Head for TIP's subsidiary 10 Kilo while Ram continued to work with Posford. By 1998 the Infinity Project had split-up to concentrate on individual projects. - - - - - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tomas Posted October 3, 2002 Share Posted October 3, 2002 I've been following the argument of for some time now, and now I just feel like making a comment. Surely the 1200 mics album is a stupid, childish thing. From what I've read of it, the people behind it say something like: "We took loads and loads and loads of drugs over a period of a coupple of days, and this was what we came out with at the end". The album isn't really anything that will go in to the books as a great one, but I know that alot of people will buy it, and so it will also have an impact on peoples way of thinking. I really agree with elysium on thin one.. Annyways, this doesn't limit it self to this album alone. If you look at the psytrance scene over the last 10 years, how many tracks, labels, artists, DJ's and so on has not in any way been promoting drugs and/or drug-use? Some more than others offcourse, but still... People are in the end free to make their own choices, and Raja Ram is a character I respect. Lot's of great music has been made with him involved. The point is that the choices of some people tend to influence other people more than the choices of others. For instance; No one in the whole world, except my self will be affected if I a saturday night should decide to scilently smoke a joint and relax. However, when TIP honks their horns and make an album like this, some pepole could be influenced. Enough rambelings from me! -T Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strumpling Posted October 4, 2002 Share Posted October 4, 2002 where's everybody bashing hallucinogen/shpongle? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest liz Posted October 4, 2002 Share Posted October 4, 2002 hear hear! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest joe Posted October 17, 2002 Share Posted October 17, 2002 man if a cd cover influences you to abuse drugs youre a fuckin idiot anyways and should do a line of drano and save us all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest lizzie Posted October 18, 2002 Share Posted October 18, 2002 I am a little confused as to how i was sent an email telling me to snort cleaning prdducts in response to my comment that was meant to congratulate the comments made by those who believed that psy trance is about the use of psychedelics as tools for mind expansion(so therefore, agreeing that raja ram has the freedom to do what he wants). Maybe joe should spread something a little more positive around other than telling people to fuck themselves up with poisons. cheers for the message joe.boom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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