radi6404 Posted November 11, 2006 Share Posted November 11, 2006 It's hard to create an effect exactly like tape distortion. And I guess Nemo has some expensive software and hardware much much more than you do being a music producer, so don't start boasting with you're warez software. 640021[/snapback] Again your typical comments, i am tired of them, you can easily add noise like when playing tapes on cheap cassette recorders, you can add noise very similar to the noise of playing cassettes of any soundsystem and any speakers, you just have to know how it sounds and have time to do it, there are tons of great plugins which are able to easily create what you want, you can even automate it like a cassette which has different sound of noise on some position so it would sound close to a authentic cassette record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fosku Posted November 11, 2006 Share Posted November 11, 2006 Yes but still they would just be digital effects, lacking the warmthness of the analog sound. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radi6404 Posted November 11, 2006 Share Posted November 11, 2006 Yes but still they would just be digital effects, lacking the warmthness of the analog sound. 640032[/snapback] maybe, but you wouldn´t notice the difference of a record while hearing it WHEN a very skilled guy is doing the noise emulation, ofcourse you would notice it when i would do it just right away without hearing how it aktually sound through a good stereo, but if i have enough time to listen to such recordings and enough time of experimenting with the effects i would be able to do a similar effect, it would be a lot of fun, too. Btw i don´t even have a cassette player on my stereo, it is broken since a long time so i just use cd and dvd, the time of cassettes are gone a long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anakoluth Posted November 11, 2006 Share Posted November 11, 2006 so this has turned into an analogue vs. digital debate. and digital's always gonna loose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radi6404 Posted November 11, 2006 Share Posted November 11, 2006 so this has turned into an analogue vs. digital debate. and digital's always gonna loose 640037[/snapback] I think so, too, i would always prefer a analogue SH101 and TB303 over digital clones but you can´t compare synths to distoration of cassettes, the distoration of a cassette is the same over the whole cassette so it is way easier to recreate digitally while the synths sound different on every note, every filtersetting, every octave etc etc etc, for example the SH101 is one of the best synths for psychedelic trance, Simon Posford used it alot and his tracks sound very uniquie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goa Bill Posted November 11, 2006 Share Posted November 11, 2006 I bet 90% of you wouldn't even hear the difference between a good digital effect and a good analog effect. How many of you actually sat and try to make a blind test? I guess Nemo is the only one here who actually had an actual experience here. How many times did you Radi hear a good digital compressor in work? A good analog EQ in work? How many times did you fiddle with SH-101 or with TB-303? Yes, none. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abasio Posted November 11, 2006 Share Posted November 11, 2006 I probably will try it, i doubt it will work, it should be that easy 640005[/snapback] If you want it too work remember to put lots of love songs on it! Soft ballads by boybands is probably they way to impress 99% of teenage girls! I doubt she'd be impressed with a load of pschedelic madness The only mix tape I still own is a 1988 practice tape by Sasha. My sister used to know him & was given it! It's really good! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radi6404 Posted November 11, 2006 Share Posted November 11, 2006 If you want it too work remember to put lots of love songs on it! Soft ballads by boybands is probably they way to impress 99% of teenage girls! I doubt she'd be impressed with a load of pschedelic madness The only mix tape I still own is a 1988 practice tape by Sasha. My sister used to know him & was given it! It's really good! 640055[/snapback] No, but she probably likes the awful popsongs with the awful "loudness character", maybe she will like shpongle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Time_Trap Posted November 11, 2006 Share Posted November 11, 2006 If you want it too work remember to put lots of love songs on it! Soft ballads by boybands is probably they way to impress 99% of teenage girls! I doubt she'd be impressed with a load of pschedelic madness The only mix tape I still own is a 1988 practice tape by Sasha. My sister used to know him & was given it! It's really good! 640055[/snapback] or some emotional chill music, e.g Sasha - Airdrawndagger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abasio Posted November 11, 2006 Share Posted November 11, 2006 No, but she probably likes the awful popsongs with the awful "loudness character", maybe she will like shpongle 640057[/snapback] If you want to ease her into Psytrance you must start with chill. Try & find some decent downbeat artists & look through their tracks for vocal tracks. It wont to big a shock if she's a Pop fan. example Omnimotion - Days of Silence Western Rebel Alliance - Falling Cass & Slide - Perception (Vocal Mix) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEMO.BOFH Posted November 11, 2006 Author Share Posted November 11, 2006 Again your typical comments, i am tired of them, you can easily add noise like when playing tapes on cheap cassette recorders, you can add noise very similar to the noise of playing cassettes of any soundsystem and any speakers, you just have to know how it sounds and have time to do it, there are tons of great plugins which are able to easily create what you want, you can even automate it like a cassette which has different sound of noise on some position so it would sound close to a authentic cassette record. 640030[/snapback] No, not his typucal comments. It is the typical post that you always seem to post, that triggers responses like these. Yes you can add noise, but like already said in the topic, top notch programmers are STILL trying to make a digital version of tape distortion, and noone has really succeeded. Just step back some posts, and read where I mentioned warmth..... Yes but still they would just be digital effects, lacking the warmthness of the analog sound. 640032[/snapback] Yes. maybe, but you wouldn´t notice the difference of a record while hearing it WHEN a very skilled guy is doing the noise emulation, ofcourse you would notice it when i would do it just right away without hearing how it aktually sound through a good stereo, but if i have enough time to listen to such recordings and enough time of experimenting with the effects i would be able to do a similar effect, it would be a lot of fun, too. Btw i don´t even have a cassette player on my stereo, it is broken since a long time so i just use cd and dvd, the time of cassettes are gone a long time. 640036[/snapback] You wouldnt notice the diffrence? So now you are the expert? Radi, please, if you aint got a clue, dont argue for it. I think so, too, i would always prefer a analogue SH101 and TB303 over digital clones but you can´t compare synths to distoration of cassettes, the distoration of a cassette is the same over the whole cassette so it is way easier to recreate digitally while the synths sound different on every note, every filtersetting, every octave etc etc etc, for example the SH101 is one of the best synths for psychedelic trance, Simon Posford used it alot and his tracks sound very uniquie. 640041[/snapback] Yes, I have owned 3 diffrent versions of the 101, and I have also had 303's I know that its the only synth for acid basslines, and there is NO substitute digitally... now, this is where you speak against yourself. You say there is no substitute to the 101... well, there is no substitute for tape effects I bet 90% of you wouldn't even hear the difference between a good digital effect and a good analog effect. How many of you actually sat and try to make a blind test? I guess Nemo is the only one here who actually had an actual experience here. How many times did you Radi hear a good digital compressor in work? A good analog EQ in work? How many times did you fiddle with SH-101 or with TB-303? Yes, none. 640052[/snapback] Very arrogantly I tend to agree, but Colin, and many other members have actual experience as well... Filteria?! Anyways, This discussion went way too offtopic, that I am going to move it to Music Making instead... any objections to why it shouldnt be moved? Nemo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radi6404 Posted November 11, 2006 Share Posted November 11, 2006 No, not his typucal comments. It is the typical post that you always seem to post, that triggers responses like these. Yes you can add noise, but like already said in the topic, top notch programmers are STILL trying to make a digital version of tape distortion, and noone has really succeeded. Just step back some posts, and read where I mentioned warmth..... Yes. You wouldnt notice the diffrence? So now you are the expert? Radi, please, if you aint got a clue, dont argue for it. Yes, I have owned 3 diffrent versions of the 101, and I have also had 303's I know that its the only synth for acid basslines, and there is NO substitute digitally... now, this is where you speak against yourself. You say there is no substitute to the 101... well, there is no substitute for tape effects Very arrogantly I tend to agree, but Colin, and many other members have actual experience as well... Filteria?! Anyways, This discussion went way too offtopic, that I am going to move it to Music Making instead... any objections to why it shouldnt be moved? Nemo 640074[/snapback] Please please don´t move it, is it necessary to move it musicmaking, i never look for threads there so please don´t move it. Nemo, your comments aren´t very nice, you avn´t tried to convince me that you are right and i am wrong but instead say i should should my fucking mouth. I am ofcourse not an expecrt but below medicore but i just know that with such effects i can do a lot of stuff, i know that you are an expert but if you are saying that it isn´t possible to recreate a 90% authetnic noise like real tapes you are just not right, man, with such expensive effects you have the possibilities to make what you want, the limit is your imagination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abasio Posted November 11, 2006 Share Posted November 11, 2006 Anyways, This discussion went way too offtopic, that I am going to move it to Music Making instead... any objections to why it shouldnt be moved? Nemo 640074[/snapback] I liked the do you have any old mixtapes question. That would be off topic in music making wouldn't it? Can't you split it in two? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEMO.BOFH Posted November 11, 2006 Author Share Posted November 11, 2006 Please please don´t move it, is it necessary to move it musicmaking, i never look for threads there so please don´t move it. Nemo, your comments aren´t very nice, you avn´t tried to convince me that you are right and i am wrong but instead say i should should my fucking mouth. I am ofcourse not an expecrt but below medicore but i just know that with such effects i can do a lot of stuff, i know that you are an expert but if you are saying that it isn´t possible to recreate a 90% authetnic noise like real tapes you are just not right, man, with such expensive effects you have the possibilities to make what you want, the limit is your imagination. 640078[/snapback] No, im telling you that you never speak from Experience, only from what you have read on the I N T E R N E T. I can see the diffrence between someone with experience, and someone that reads a lot. The problem with that though, is that if you just read up your knowledge, you will easily get caught up with people calling bs on you. and no, it is NOT 100% doable to do it.. I will show you some examples very soon. As soon as I am done with my album, I will make ONE track that is processeed digitally, on my digital mixer, with ONLY digital effects... and vice versa. And please radi, I know that my limit is my imagination, why do you think that I am experimenting this much!? I am experimenting so much with old stuff vs new stuff, and fucking about with sounds, that I actually get very little music done! I think I should rather work with something like this... Now, I am going to get a REAL tape recorder very soon: Gonna bring it home from Germany (Its not that model, but very similar, its my dads old one, and its in perfect working condition). He actually has some unmastered Kraftwerk stuff somewhere.... I cant wait to dig through the old tapes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Time_Trap Posted November 11, 2006 Share Posted November 11, 2006 I know that its the only synth for acid basslines, and there is NO substitute digitally... now, this is where you speak against yourself. You say there is no substitute to the 101... I think Cosmosis had posted here that he had used digital acid basslines... will search for the post... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goa Bill Posted November 11, 2006 Share Posted November 11, 2006 Nemo, of course Colin and Filteria know it, but i was referring only to people that voiced their opinion on this topic, ie Radi. I, myself had some, limited experience with analog equipment and i can hardly spot the difference in the so called warmth parameter. Most of the people just subscribe to the common opinion which for some reason is Analog>Digital. Which is damn weird considering the enormous benefits the digital revolution brought, not to mention that the most important tool was and still is the artist's ear and mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEMO.BOFH Posted November 11, 2006 Author Share Posted November 11, 2006 Nemo, of course Colin and Filteria know it, but i was referring only to people that voiced their opinion on this topic, ie Radi. I, myself had some, limited experience with analog equipment and i can hardly spot the difference in the so called warmth parameter. Most of the people just subscribe to the common opinion which for some reason is Analog>Digital. Which is damn weird considering the enormous benefits the digital revolution brought, not to mention that the most important tool was and still is the artist's ear and mind. 640114[/snapback] No no, I knew that, so I didnt comment on you directly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEMO.BOFH Posted November 11, 2006 Author Share Posted November 11, 2006 I think Cosmosis had posted here that he had used digital acid basslines... will search for the post... 640108[/snapback] Maybe there is for some people a substitute.... Bassline sounds very fucking good, but it still doesnt sound the real deal. The 303, can be very unstable, and out of synch sometimes.... like every 128th note or something... that gives it that little swing, that you just cant recreate digitally... of course, you can program it, but it still isnt the REAL DEAL.... and the sound of a 303.... dont even go there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radi6404 Posted November 11, 2006 Share Posted November 11, 2006 Maybe there is for some people a substitute.... Bassline sounds very fucking good, but it still doesnt sound the real deal. The 303, can be very unstable, and out of synch sometimes.... like every 128th note or something... that gives it that little swing, that you just cant recreate digitally... of course, you can program it, but it still isnt the REAL DEAL.... and the sound of a 303.... dont even go there 640133[/snapback] I am sure that you will have a hard time noticing the difference between a phoscion devilfish tb303 vst and a real tb303, they just sound too authetnic. Do you know the audiorealism bassline, it is very good, there is another tb303 clone, the crakbox, not bad also and the phoscion, which is the best emulator Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEMO.BOFH Posted November 11, 2006 Author Share Posted November 11, 2006 I am sure that you will have a hard time noticing the difference between a phoscion devilfish tb303 vst and a real tb303, they just sound too authetnic. Do you know the audiorealism bassline, it is very good, there is another tb303 clone, the crakbox, not bad also and the phoscion, which is the best emulator 640136[/snapback] http://www.esknetlabs.com/acid.wav yeah I cant hear the diffrence... you wouldnt hear the diffrence, because youve never used one mate.... and how can you say its the most accurate one, when you havent even heard a 303 for real? You have NOTHING to compare with.... so you are talking out of your ..... again. Please do not patronize me with your internet findings, it is rather annoying. I have made MANY tracks with Audiorealisms Bassline, and it is very good. But it sounds digtal, and very clean. http://www.acidlab.de/ you mean that one? I have heard that one, and it sounds impressive, but that isnt a vsti? Or did I get something wrong? Devilfish is a mod for the original tb303.... yeah I can really not hear the diffrence, the vstis are just as dirty and warm as the original... its true, radi has convinced me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEMO.BOFH Posted November 11, 2006 Author Share Posted November 11, 2006 http://www.d16.pl/index_content.php You mean that? hassnt even been released has it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEMO.BOFH Posted November 11, 2006 Author Share Posted November 11, 2006 http://www.d16.pl/index_content.php You mean that? hassnt even been released has it? 640164[/snapback] Yes aparently so, its cheap as well, ill buy it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEMO.BOFH Posted November 11, 2006 Author Share Posted November 11, 2006 Breakfast anyone?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radi6404 Posted November 11, 2006 Share Posted November 11, 2006 http://www.esknetlabs.com/acid.wav yeah I cant hear the diffrence... you wouldnt hear the diffrence, because youve never used one mate.... and how can you say its the most accurate one, when you havent even heard a 303 for real? You have NOTHING to compare with.... so you are talking out of your ..... again. Please do not patronize me with your internet findings, it is rather annoying. I have made MANY tracks with Audiorealisms Bassline, and it is very good. But it sounds digtal, and very clean. http://www.acidlab.de/ you mean that one? I have heard that one, and it sounds impressive, but that isnt a vsti? Or did I get something wrong? Devilfish is a mod for the original tb303.... yeah I can really not hear the diffrence, the vstis are just as dirty and warm as the original... its true, radi has convinced me! 640163[/snapback] I heard real tb303s in many tracks and heard may many samples of real tb303s so i can talk about that, i don´t mean the devlifish clone which is better than the original tb303 but i mean the software emulator phoscyon which sounds very good, way better than the audiorealism bassline, the guys of KVRaudio say it also. the phoscyon clone sounds very similar to the real one, i wouldn´t be able to differ it properly while the audiorealism is easier to differ. And the sample you linked me is just ridiculous, couldn´t you give me a link of a proper tb303 riff from your recordings, i am sure you have such but you give me this ridiculous sample with the ridiculous awful delay instead. this is the software devilfish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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