Ormion Posted January 5, 2007 Posted January 5, 2007 What do you miss the most from the Goa period? And don't tell me the melodies in general, tell me some elements. Here is what I miss the most and can't find in todays psy trance. 1.The liquid basslines Most of the artists today full on, proggy, dark or freestyle use a more ''dry'' bass than Goa artists used to use. Only some Suomi stuff have these ''liquid'' basslines (like Salakavala) but they're not good enough. Perfect examples of ''liquid bassline'': Talamasca-Sinai and MFG-Peaceful Relaxation. 2.The ''synth over synth'' technique. It's when a track has a synth playing a specific melody and after 16 beats, a second, louder synth enters playing the exact same (or slightly faster) melody. Perfect examples of ''synth over synth'' technique: Tripsters-Skitzophrenik (the first two minutes) and Psygone-Psyquest. 3.The final killer climax. It's simple. When a track after many minutes of power and melodies finishes you with a final killer climax. Unfortunately today only Filteria and Azax Syndrom seems to make final killer climaxes. Perfect examples of final killer climax: Astral Projection-People Can Fly and Filteria-Navigate. Yor turn. Quote
NEMO.BOFH Posted January 5, 2007 Posted January 5, 2007 What do you miss the most from the Goa period? And don't tell me the melodies in general, tell me some elements. Here is what I miss the most and can't find in todays psy trance. 1.The liquid basslines Most of the artists today full on, proggy, dark or freestyle use a more ''dry'' bass than Goa artists used to use. Only some Suomi stuff have these ''liquid'' basslines (like Salakavala) but they're not good enough. Perfect examples of ''liquid bassline'': Talamasca-Sinai and MFG-Peaceful Relaxation. 2.The ''synth over synth'' technique. It's when a track has a synth playing a specific melody and after 16 beats, a second, louder synth enters playing the exact same (or slightly faster) melody. Perfect examples of ''synth over synth'' technique: Tripsters-Skitzophrenik (the first two minutes) and Psygone-Psyquest. 3.The final killer climax. It's simple. When a track after many minutes of power and melodies finishes you with a final killer climax. Unfortunately today only Filteria and Azax Syndrom seems to make final killer climaxes. Perfect examples of final killer climax: Astral Projection-People Can Fly and Filteria-Navigate. Yor turn. EatStatic alien sounds, Man with No Name leads and 303's.... the rest, ive gotten over it... i have a lot of the old stuff, its good enough for me to listen to when I need a doze of goa Quote
Guest The Journey Man Project Posted January 5, 2007 Posted January 5, 2007 the sound of a real 303... and the sound of real hardware... now alo of stuff really does sound like computer games music, and I'm embarrassed to play it for friends... software might make your studioe cleaner and easier to manage, but it sounds shit... I have huge respect for artists who use real instruments instead of software... but this seems to be almost 0 artists in the psy scence, mostly oenly Techno and Acid artists use real instruments... the lack of seriousness, now musiscinas take it way to serious, it's psytrance for god sakes, it's not beethoven, have fun, make stuff for a laguh, not for political message that nobody but a few drugged out hippies are gonna here... leave that to U2 and co. But basaically the scene, like so much in life, has lost it's spirituality and fun, and now it is just mass produced commercialised rubbish... most of it... this isnot ot say that it isn;t all good music, it's just not goa... it's electroninc music, nothing more nothing less. Quote
Starlancer Posted January 5, 2007 Posted January 5, 2007 I miss the "hardware" sound. The dirty, acid sound of a 303 and those deep, magnificent trance leads. It would be a cool project if someone would try to make a track using old hardware only. It's a pain in the ass, but it will be worth it. Quote
Guest The Journey Man Project Posted January 6, 2007 Posted January 6, 2007 I think most producers are lazy to use hardware.. fare enough but I still have respect for so many of the techno and acid techno producers who use the real hardware in studio and live... nothing like a real 303, nothing can ever emulate it, not even the hardware emulators... I stull enjoy al my old acid techno cd's so mcuh, even though most here would complain it sounds to old shcool and basi (wtf?) Quote
Veracohr Posted January 6, 2007 Posted January 6, 2007 I think most producers are lazy to use hardware.. fare enough but I still have respect for so many of the techno and acid techno producers who use the real hardware in studio and live... nothing like a real 303, nothing can ever emulate it, not even the hardware emulators... I stull enjoy al my old acid techno cd's so mcuh, even though most here would complain it sounds to old shcool and basi (wtf?) For many of us, it's too damned expensive. I'd have loads of hardware synths if I could afford it. Quote
abasio Posted January 6, 2007 Posted January 6, 2007 Non! I still have the CDs & I can listen whenever I want I don't want the music to stay the same. If it did we would be complaining about the lack of change. I just miss the parties. I'm not such an active partier anymore. Quote
snowball Posted January 6, 2007 Posted January 6, 2007 the feelings,the flow of teh track, the story it tells,the places it takes you to.... Quote
Halosian Posted January 6, 2007 Posted January 6, 2007 I miss the "hardware" sound. The dirty, acid sound of a 303 and those deep, magnificent trance leads. It would be a cool project if someone would try to make a track using old hardware only. It's a pain in the ass, but it will be worth it. I totally agree. Nothings like using the old machines and some of us still do. Quote
Sideffect... Posted January 6, 2007 Posted January 6, 2007 none I have a hugh database no on topic, I don't miss anything, I like refreshment and psytrance still satisfies me enough allthough I have to search very hard within the huge release amount. Quote
Filteria Posted January 6, 2007 Posted January 6, 2007 Yeah, hardware sound!! There is almost no one working like the old days. I start to think i am the only one The sound feels more alive instead of this plastic sound... HARDWARE I also miss more complex melodies.. Quote
Sideffect... Posted January 6, 2007 Posted January 6, 2007 Yeah, hardware sound!! There is almost no one working like the old days. I start to think i am the only one The sound feels more alive instead of this plastic sound... HARDWARE I also miss more complex melodies.. your's are complex sometimes, specially compared to others like you rmx from lunar, very nice... it took me a while cause I was so attached to the original, normal I guess... Quote
Ormion Posted January 6, 2007 Author Posted January 6, 2007 your's are complex sometimes, specially compared to others like you rmx from lunar, very nice... it took me a while goes I was so attached to the original, normal I guess... Both the original and Jannis' remix are excellent. Maximal Goa 4 ever!!!!! Quote
X-scream Posted January 7, 2007 Posted January 7, 2007 I miss music that makes people close their eyes instead of airpunching I miss the journey-like arrangements I miss the psychedelia in psytrance, compared to most things today those old magical tracks still sound otherwordly both in a sober and that other state of mind I miss those fast screaming, ripping, mad melodies that just totally melts me... - Green Nuns - Conflict - Growling Mad Scientist - I'll Be Back I miss those slow mystical, spacey adventures... - Planet B.E.N. - Trippy Future Garden - Ololiuqui - Phyt Sure there is some very good new music out but they are good in other ways like funkiness, power,etc. But almost none capture that old wonderful atmosphere. Quote
NT Posted January 7, 2007 Posted January 7, 2007 The thing I miss most is the MYSTICISM of the tracks, but I guess those feelings will never return and were just part of my life as a teenager... Quote
FTP Posted January 7, 2007 Posted January 7, 2007 The thing I miss most is the MYSTICISM of the tracks, but I guess those feelings will never return and were just part of my life as a teenager...So u don't believe in Fairy tale anymore? Quote
NT Posted January 7, 2007 Posted January 7, 2007 So u don't believe in Fairy tale anymore? HAHAHA nice one! Nah, what I meant is that 'special' feeling, you got when you bought one of these 'oh so rare' cd's like once in 4 or 5 months (97/98 period i'm talking about), and everything sounded so mysterious, like personal journeys... only a couple of artists were releasing back then. I mean a tune like: Oforia - Why not on mars? always made me think Oforia wasn't from this planet, and tried to alienate people who listened to it. Not something that would originate from this earth! Same goes for the old-school tracks with spiritual stuff in it (tracks like: Fluro Conspiracy - Ancient Suns) it all sounded so surreal, far away and mystic. But that feeling has gone for years now... And the artwork always appealed to me back then, and also added alot to the atmosphere the music gave me... but nowadays artwork like that is just uber-cheesy because it has been ruïned by the modern psy labels. Quote
FTP Posted January 7, 2007 Posted January 7, 2007 Men, First time I heard some set of Astral Projection, I truly believed, that these guys are on some very special drug and in very special dimension and was sure they reach -out of being - experience.... Quote
CHOKO Posted January 7, 2007 Posted January 7, 2007 Yeah, hardware sound!! There is almost no one working like the old days. I start to think i am the only one The sound feels more alive instead of this plastic sound... HARDWARE I also miss more complex melodies.. Yes!!!!! Organic sounds!! Hardware sounds!! sounds that you can hear and feel more in your body!!! and i miss music with spirit , feeling, energy! and complexity!! no music for be famous ...... Quote
Charlie Posted January 7, 2007 Posted January 7, 2007 I miss the melodies, they were dreamy and otherwordly. I also miss the ethnic influences, the soft, rich basslines, the analogue and organic sound hardware creates, the complex, clever multi layering and the psychedelicness of it all (today's 'psy' is NOT psychedelic by any stretch of the imagination). Most of all though I miss the spirit. Quote
faze Posted January 7, 2007 Posted January 7, 2007 Cool thread and input. I don't miss any yet, as my collection is not big enough. Every time I track down a goa cd, it's new to me. Luckily for me, there are still a lot of these "new" cds for me to track down. I guess I am one of the lucky ones. Quote
Psycosmo Posted January 8, 2007 Posted January 8, 2007 I miss the acid-didgeridoo sounds that are the hallmark of "Twisted" I miss the oddly timbred mysterious sounding melodies from the likes of Pleiadians, Technossomy, Man With No Name (Thankyou Filteria for doing some of this) I miss Goa melodies in progressive (like early Shiva Chandra) Intelligent use of sci-fi/mysical samples Quote
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