Guest antic Posted February 17, 2007 Share Posted February 17, 2007 Don't know if you saw this, but Frederik Holyszewski is about to release a new album: Just check the samples here. It's acid jazz!!! Personally I love it! Not many people in that scene could release such an album... What do YOU think of it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seraph Posted February 17, 2007 Share Posted February 17, 2007 Euhm, didn't like the samples that much, sounds too standard and generic. I would expect more from such talented musician. Moonlight Sonata and Gymnopedie sounds awesome ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest antic Posted February 17, 2007 Share Posted February 17, 2007 Euhm, didn't like the samples that much, sounds too standard and generic. I would expect more from such talented musician. Moonlight Sonata and Gymnopedie sounds awesome ! Well, yeah. From the point of view of jazz music this is rather generic and not very innovative. But, for a trance producer I guess it's still impressive. I don't think he used live musicians or instruments - majority of it was sounds like he's using samples, so you should compare it to artists from Warp records for example, like Amon Tobin or Squarepusher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemmiwinks Posted February 17, 2007 Share Posted February 17, 2007 Don't know if you saw this, but Frederik Holyszewski is about to release a new album: Just check the samples here. It's acid jazz!!! Personally I love it! Not many people in that scene could release such an album... What do YOU think of it? I think it's one more step in the wrong (read commercial) direction... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sideffect... Posted February 17, 2007 Share Posted February 17, 2007 sounds interesting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
w_lizzard Posted February 17, 2007 Share Posted February 17, 2007 I agree better late than n-ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest antic Posted February 17, 2007 Share Posted February 17, 2007 I think it's one more step in the wrong (read commercial) direction... Hope you're kidding? It's not released under any of his trance nicknames and in his free time he can release / write whatever the hell he wants. And besides, I think that the more diverse the artist is in his creations, the better his trance stuff might be. Someone who listens to trance only, is bound to write medicore stuff... More different music means more inspiration, more influences and more ideas - and that cannot be bad, can it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatsu Posted February 18, 2007 Share Posted February 18, 2007 I think it's one more step in the wrong (read commercial) direction... You seem to be very concered about commercialism these days. Is it another unwritten rule that psyartists are only allowed to do the most underground styles now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sideffect... Posted February 19, 2007 Share Posted February 19, 2007 You seem to be very concered about commercialism these days. Is it another unwritten rule that psyartists are only allowed to do the most underground styles now? hehe, so true, why make music just for some people, music is for everybody, it's still the individual taste that creates the fact if they like it or not, should be very arrogant not to give people that choice... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemmiwinks Posted February 19, 2007 Share Posted February 19, 2007 Hope you're kidding? It's not released under any of his trance nicknames and in his free time he can release / write whatever the hell he wants. And besides, I think that the more diverse the artist is in his creations, the better his trance stuff might be. Someone who listens to trance only, is bound to write medicore stuff... More different music means more inspiration, more influences and more ideas - and that cannot be bad, can it? You seem to be very concered about commercialism these days. Is it another unwritten rule that psyartists are only allowed to do the most underground styles now? hehe, so true, why make music just for some people, music is for everybody, it's still the individual taste that creates the fact if they like it or not, should be very arrogant not to give people that choice... ah forget it... once upon a time there were a handfull of artists who decided to just follow their hearts and do whatever music they felt like without trying to follow a trend to sell stuff. They created the underground electronic music scene 20 years ago and people who apreciated originality worshiped them like Gods in spite the fact that their stuff was never played on daytime radio. Whenever such artists dared to roam into the commercial side of things they were HEAVILY criticized by their hardcore fans... But today it seems that things changed. You have former underground artists making fucking pop music and their fans seem to be saying "ah you see, he's not going commercial just to sell more stuff, he's just being creative..." Hasn't anyone wondered just why these artists make more mainstream stuff in the first place? Why does "more creative" necessarily rhyme with "more commercial" these days? But anyway, forget it, I guess what's happening with the electronic music scene today is similar with what happened to rock music after the late 60s... the only hope will be to find some far-away un-spoilt land and wait for a new music form to emerge carrying a new wave of underground artists who are more interested in follwing their hearts than making enough money to buy a new house... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatsu Posted February 19, 2007 Share Posted February 19, 2007 ah forget it... once upon a time there were a handfull of artists who decided to just follow their hearts and do whatever music they felt like without trying to follow a trend to sell stuff. They created the underground electronic music scene 20 years ago and people who apreciated originality worshiped them like Gods in spite the fact that their stuff was never played on daytime radio. Whenever such artists dared to roam into the commercial side of things they were HEAVILY criticized by their hardcore fans... But today it seems that things changed. You have former underground artists making fucking pop music and their fans seem to be saying "ah you see, he's not going commercial just to sell more stuff, he's just being creative..." Hasn't anyone wondered just why these artists make more mainstream stuff in the first place? Why does "more creative" necessarily rhyme with "more commercial" these days? But anyway, forget it, I guess what's happening with the electronic music scene today is similar with what happened to rock music after the late 60s... the only hope will be to find some far-away un-spoilt land and wait for a new music form to emerge carrying a new wave of underground artists who are more interested in follwing their hearts than making enough money to buy a new house... How do you know that an artist (no matter if it's in this case or just generaly speaking) is NOT following his heart just because he changes to a style that is more commercial than the style he was doing before? Do you really think that all people doing commercial music just do it because of the money and not because they actually like it? Sure there are a lot of people that are in the business just because of the money, I don't doubt that. But still, there is some commercial music (from different genres) I actually like and enjoy so why shoulndn't artists be capable of doing the same? I personally would also not only stay with psy if I were able to produce music but I would also go for trance. Simply because I like that style, no matter how commercial it is. To me it sounds a bit like the typical psy-snob behaviour that some people in this scene show: an artist I used to like changes to a style I don't like, and since I don't like it the only reason the artist must have for changing is money. Kinda arrogant imho... I personally understand if an artist who is making the same style for years gets somewhat tired of it and changes to something completely different. In this case we are speaking about acid jazz: I don't know anything about that scene but is it really possible to make that much more money with a mediocre album than when you release a psy album? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Time_Trap Posted February 19, 2007 Share Posted February 19, 2007 ah forget it... once upon a time there were a handfull of artists who decided to just follow their hearts and do whatever music they felt like without trying to follow a trend to sell stuff. They created the underground electronic music scene 20 years ago and people who apreciated originality worshiped them like Gods in spite the fact that their stuff was never played on daytime radio. Whenever such artists dared to roam into the commercial side of things they were HEAVILY criticized by their hardcore fans... But today it seems that things changed. You have former underground artists making fucking pop music and their fans seem to be saying "ah you see, he's not going commercial just to sell more stuff, he's just being creative..." Hasn't anyone wondered just why these artists make more mainstream stuff in the first place? Why does "more creative" necessarily rhyme with "more commercial" these days? But anyway, forget it, I guess what's happening with the electronic music scene today is similar with what happened to rock music after the late 60s... the only hope will be to find some far-away un-spoilt land and wait for a new music form to emerge carrying a new wave of underground artists who are more interested in follwing their hearts than making enough money to buy a new house... Dude. We are not speaking about pop. We are speaking about acid jazz. I partly agree with you on commercialism and artists turning commercial ; but that's very different from deciding to release an acid jazz album. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemmiwinks Posted February 19, 2007 Share Posted February 19, 2007 Dude. We are not speaking about pop. We are speaking about acid jazz. I partly agree with you on commercialism and artists turning commercial ; but that's very different from deciding to release an acid jazz album. ok acid jazz is less commercial than Britney Spears... but it's a LOT more commercial than what Transwave used to do, no? Same goes with his other side-projects like Deedrah and also his crappy remixes of old Transwave stuff... anyway like I said, forget it... Remember that scene from the Simpsons when Frank Grimes tricks Homer in entering a competition for kids and he enters, wins first prize and Grimes is like "Ah you see how stupid he is?" and people are like "leave him alone, he's done well"... I fell kindof like Grimey now lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sideffect... Posted February 19, 2007 Share Posted February 19, 2007 ah forget it... once upon a time there were a handfull of artists who decided to just follow their hearts and do whatever music they felt like without trying to follow a trend to sell stuff. They created the underground electronic music scene 20 years ago and people who apreciated originality worshiped them like Gods in spite the fact that their stuff was never played on daytime radio. Whenever such artists dared to roam into the commercial side of things they were HEAVILY criticized by their hardcore fans... But today it seems that things changed. You have former underground artists making fucking pop music and their fans seem to be saying "ah you see, he's not going commercial just to sell more stuff, he's just being creative..." Hasn't anyone wondered just why these artists make more mainstream stuff in the first place? Why does "more creative" necessarily rhyme with "more commercial" these days? But anyway, forget it, I guess what's happening with the electronic music scene today is similar with what happened to rock music after the late 60s... the only hope will be to find some far-away un-spoilt land and wait for a new music form to emerge carrying a new wave of underground artists who are more interested in follwing their hearts than making enough money to buy a new house...jezus lemmi, how old are you 90 ? goa envolved in a certain way and I'm glad it does, it keeps me busy and it offers a lot, you remind me when I was 16 and listened to goa and thought my classmates @ school were different because they didn't know "my world" TIME HAS CHANGED, EVERYTHING CHANGES, accept that, this thread won't change anything... I don't give a fuck of psychedelic trance is made for money of by heart, IT IS ME who decide if I like it or not, just like pop music, be honest, everybody likes once & while one pop tune, when you hear it on mtv it happens that I say, cool, this track is not bad, you tell me I have to think, damn this is crap becaue I know it's made to sell... where is my freedom now ? you're still free to like/dislike what you want isn't that one of the main supermarks of music ??????????? well my 2 cents, repsect your opinion off course, this reply is not attacked ment, just the way I experience "music in general"... and I believe I'm less frustrated then you are considering that still keep on searching, you'll find your music, I wish you all the best in your search Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pr0fane Posted February 19, 2007 Share Posted February 19, 2007 Lemmiwinks, how can releasing an acid jazz album on a small, indie trance-label really be more commercial than playing Deedrah, GBU, Synthetic and even oldschool Transwave psychedelic trance sets (since you seem to be focusing on the oh so unspoiled true underground sound of the past) in front of crowds of up to 20.000 people at festivals like Boom, XXXPerience and Solstice? Besides - commercial or not, who cares as long as it's good music. I haven't heard the Federico Baltimore album, but with Dado's usual high standard in mind, I'm definitely considering buying it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemmiwinks Posted February 20, 2007 Share Posted February 20, 2007 How do you know that an artist (no matter if it's in this case or just generaly speaking) is NOT following his heart just because he changes to a style that is more commercial than the style he was doing before? Do you really think that all people doing commercial music just do it because of the money and not because they actually like it? Sure there are a lot of people that are in the business just because of the money, I don't doubt that. But still, there is some commercial music (from different genres) I actually like and enjoy so why shoulndn't artists be capable of doing the same? I personally would also not only stay with psy if I were able to produce music but I would also go for trance. Simply because I like that style, no matter how commercial it is. To me it sounds a bit like the typical psy-snob behaviour that some people in this scene show: an artist I used to like changes to a style I don't like, and since I don't like it the only reason the artist must have for changing is money. Kinda arrogant imho... I personally understand if an artist who is making the same style for years gets somewhat tired of it and changes to something completely different. In this case we are speaking about acid jazz: I don't know anything about that scene but is it really possible to make that much more money with a mediocre album than when you release a psy album? Well I just find it hard to believe that ALL the people who used to be underground start making commercial music for creativity purposes... I'm not saying that a few might not do it simply because they also like that style and want to be active in it, but like I said, my problem is when EVERYBODY starts doing it. Of course you'll evetually get tired of one style and want to move onto something else... but why does "soemthing else" has to be more commercial? jezus lemmi, how old are you 90 ? goa envolved in a certain way and I'm glad it does, it keeps me busy and it offers a lot, you remind me when I was 16 and listened to goa and thought my classmates @ school were different because they didn't know "my world" TIME HAS CHANGED, EVERYTHING CHANGES, accept that, this thread won't change anything... I don't give a fuck of psychedelic trance is made for money of by heart, IT IS ME who decide if I like it or not, just like pop music, be honest, everybody likes once & while one pop tune, when you hear it on mtv it happens that I say, cool, this track is not bad, you tell me I have to think, damn this is crap becaue I know it's made to sell... where is my freedom now ? you're still free to like/dislike what you want isn't that one of the main supermarks of music ??????????? well my 2 cents, repsect your opinion off course, this reply is not attacked ment, just the way I experience "music in general"... and I believe I'm less frustrated then you are considering that still keep on searching, you'll find your music, I wish you all the best in your search well what can I say that I haven't already said before? There used to be a time when people would scream bloody murder when Man With No Name signed a deal with Perfecto Records yet his music was FAR from being commercial, especially by today's standards... at the same time Astral Projection came under heavy fire for "being cheezy". Now some heavyweights in the scene release stuff that is almost pop music and it doesn't seem to bother anyone... well yes, I guess times have changed and I didn't, forgive me for that... PS I agree that SOME pop music can sound cool from time to time, I don't have any problems with that... Lemmiwinks, how can releasing an acid jazz album on a small, indie trance-label really be more commercial than playing Deedrah, GBU, Synthetic and even oldschool Transwave psychedelic trance sets (since you seem to be focusing on the oh so unspoiled true underground sound of the past) in front of crowds of up to 20.000 people at festivals like Boom, XXXPerience and Solstice? Besides - commercial or not, who cares as long as it's good music. I haven't heard the Federico Baltimore album, but with Dado's usual high standard in mind, I'm definitely considering buying it. ok, maybe I'm wrong on the definition of acid jazz then... isn't acid jazz sort of like lounge music, stuff like Marc Moulin and Saint Germain? Sorry but for me that music is indeed MUCH more crowd appealing than Transwave... there's a difference between playing stuff in front of 20.000 fanatics that gathered from all around the world a few times a year and playing every night stuff in front of 20.000 people that came only from the town you're playing in IMO... furthermore, just look at the freakin cover!!! it has cheezyness spelt all over it!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatsu Posted February 20, 2007 Share Posted February 20, 2007 Well I just find it hard to believe that ALL the people who used to be underground start making commercial music for creativity purposes... I'm not saying that a few might not do it simply because they also like that style and want to be active in it, but like I said, my problem is when EVERYBODY starts doing it. Of course you'll evetually get tired of one style and want to move onto something else... but why does "soemthing else" has to be more commercial? well what can I say that I haven't already said before? There used to be a time when people would scream bloody murder when Man With No Name signed a deal with Perfecto Records yet his music was FAR from being commercial, especially by today's standards... now some heavyweights in the scene release stuff that is almost pop music and it doesn't seem to bother anyone... well yes, I guess times have changed and I didn't, forgive me for that... ... I'm not talking about all of course, but I personally can't judge who is doing it for what reason so taking it personal when an artists changes his style to something I don't like seems rather silly to me. Besidse that according to your point of view psytrance is one of the most underground styles anyway so what do you expect them to change to? As somebody said before Acid Jazz is not that commercial either, still you think it's allready too much. And I dont' agree about people not bothering if an artist changes his style to something near pop: you seem to forget what kind of comments Infected Mushroom, Yahel or similar artists get here for their latest releases. Sure the comments have become less, but not because people start to like the music of those artists again but because they simply chose to ignore them. You don't have to do the same of course but I still don't really get why you freak out like that. Psytrance is not really that underground anymore for quite a time now imho. Edit: But to each his own I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest antic Posted February 20, 2007 Share Posted February 20, 2007 Well I just find it hard to believe that ALL the people who used to be underground start making commercial music for creativity purposes... I'm not saying that a few might not do it simply because they also like that style and want to be active in it, but like I said, my problem is when EVERYBODY starts doing it. Of course you'll evetually get tired of one style and want to move onto something else... but why does "soemthing else" has to be more commercial? Don't you think, that if an artist normally is producing electronic underground music (say: psytrance), then the last thing he wants to create to diversify his artistic output is another electronic undergound music? What's the point changing from psytrance to minimal techno or drum'n'bass - it's the same sounds, same structures, boom-boom-boom music etc. If you want to take a little break from what you usually do, you do something completely different! So tell me, what genres are allowed for psytrance producers that want to try something different? A small list perhaps? Another thing - for a true musician, the music he makes is an expression of his feelings. How the hell can you express love in old-school goa track?? And last but not least - has it never occured to you, that maybe those psytrance artists have to release commercial stuff to make a living? You could probably count on one hand people on this scene who live off their music only - other have "real" jobs, or - like in this case - have side projects. How do you know your beloved artists (I don't know who they are, they're probably dead or inactive I'd guess) do not release house under some sexy female nickname or write music to TV programmes? Would you see a problem in that too?? furthermore, just look at the freakin cover!!! it has cheezyness spelt all over it!! Give me a break! Most progressive trance covers look like that (for example Iboga stuff, unless ofcourse they're not trance-enough for you too...). Personally I like it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemmiwinks Posted February 20, 2007 Share Posted February 20, 2007 I'm not talking about all of course, but I personally can't judge who is doing it for what reason so taking it personal when an artists changes his style to something I don't like seems rather silly to me. Besidse that according to your point of view psytrance is one of the most underground styles anyway so what do you expect them to change to? As somebody said before Acid Jazz is not that commercial either, still you think it's allready too much. And I dont' agree about people not bothering if an artist changes his style to something near pop: you seem to forget what kind of comments Infected Mushroom, Yahel or similar artists get here for their latest releases. Sure the comments have become less, but not because people start to like the music of those artists again but because they simply chose to ignore them. You don't have to do the same of course but I still don't really get why you freak out like that. Psytrance is not really that underground anymore for quite a time now imho. Edit: But to each his own I guess. well yes tatsu to each their own as you say... we'd just be going around in circles with this discussion anyway. Like I said, I guess my biggest problem is that the main psytrance audience has changed but I haven't... So tell me, what genres are allowed for psytrance producers that want to try something different? A small list perhaps? Another thing - for a true musician, the music he makes is an expression of his feelings. How the hell can you express love in old-school goa track?? And last but not least - has it never occured to you, that maybe those psytrance artists have to release commercial stuff to make a living? You could probably count on one hand people on this scene who live off their music only - other have "real" jobs, or - like in this case - have side projects. How do you know your beloved artists (I don't know who they are, they're probably dead or inactive I'd guess) do not release house under some sexy female nickname or write music to TV programmes? Would you see a problem in that too?? Give me a break! Most progressive trance covers look like that (for example Iboga stuff, unless ofcourse they're not trance-enough for you too...). Personally I like it... ah I'm glad you came up with that... Of course the most "politically correct" change is making chill-out since that works in so many ways. I don't think anyone ever really said that Simon P or Doof went commercial when they started releasing more downtempo than uptempo stuff. Other than that, indeed a little breakbeat goa wouldn't hurt as was a little trend started by Blueroom a few years ago. Too bad that fad died out fast Most notable change there was Deviant Electronics. Now, for other genres to my knowledge only a handfull of oldschool artists actually went to to producing LESS commercial tracks... but they DO exist! The biggest example of them all is Ubar Tmar. He's gone into making conceptual music based on expressing fractals though sound. His commercial success went down the drain (although I couldn't really say that the dude actually had any commercial success to begin with, even in his goatrance days) but hey, at least the dude is trying out some concepts that NOONE else does. Also Graham Woods (former TIP) made a small uncommercial comeback. Also MWNN... this dude was so big at one moment (Teleportation is actually one of Paul Oakenfold's top 5 tracks of all time), he could've gone for the cheeze completley and just make trendy eurotrance and get promoted by the biggest commercial DJs in the world, making shitloads of money in the process... but he didn't and I take off my hat in front of him for that. Thus artists that actually experiment with other LESS commercial styles DO exist and I apreciate their efforts even though I don't always apreciate their new music. Now for expressing love in a goa track well hey psytrance is all about creating atmospheres: positive and negative. The whole idea of a psy party is playing around with the 2 making a "trip" out of music. Now you can interpret the atmospheres themselves however you want depending on the mental state you're in: you could see the sun rise while being with your gf and hearing something like, say, Mindfield - The Knowledge and FEEL love a million times greater than ever (hehe this happened to me once ) so for me there is no problem in expressing feelings through trance, actually IMO psytrance allows a far greater spectrum of emotions in its tracks than any other genre (minimal techno and techstep are always dark, eurotrance and happy hardcore are always euphoric etc.). As far as I know, psytrance parties are the ONLY ones which allow atmosphere changes during the party. now for making house under female nicks and ad music well... I honestly think we'd know if such a thing happened Nothing wrong with paying the bills as long as they keep making underground music... my problem was that when an artist goes commercial he seems to completley forget his underground roots... and for the cover well, in case you didn't know this already I HATE progressive, even more than full-on... so... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jikkenteki Posted February 21, 2007 Share Posted February 21, 2007 Now, for other genres to my knowledge only a handfull of oldschool artists actually went to to producing LESS commercial tracks... but they DO exist! The biggest example of them all is Ubar Tmar. He's gone into making conceptual music based on expressing fractals though sound. His commercial success went down the drain (although I couldn't really say that the dude actually had any commercial success to begin with, even in his goatrance days) but hey, at least the dude is trying out some concepts that NOONE else does. Actually Ubar Tmar makes his living making music for commercials and TV shows in Japan..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seraph Posted February 21, 2007 Share Posted February 21, 2007 Actually Ubar Tmar makes his living making music for commercials and TV shows in Japan..... :o Traitor ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemmiwinks Posted February 21, 2007 Share Posted February 21, 2007 Actually Ubar Tmar makes his living making music for commercials and TV shows in Japan..... well like I said I have nothing against making stuff to pay the bills as long as an artist keeps his main project underground... I wouldn't complain about X-Dream, IM or Transwave if they still made underground music and just had a side-project making commercial stuff... anyway... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatsu Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 well yes tatsu to each their own as you say... we'd just be going around in circles with this discussion anyway. Like I said, I guess my biggest problem is that the main psytrance audience has changed but I haven't... Yes, I guess we really do. In the end it boils down to personal taste once again. I still think it's kind awkward that you present your thoughts about dos and don'ts for psyartists as unwritten rules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEMO.BOFH Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 ah forget it... once upon a time there were a handfull of artists who decided to just follow their hearts and do whatever music they felt like without trying to follow a trend to sell stuff. They created the underground electronic music scene 20 years ago and people who apreciated originality worshiped them like Gods in spite the fact that their stuff was never played on daytime radio. Whenever such artists dared to roam into the commercial side of things they were HEAVILY criticized by their hardcore fans... But today it seems that things changed. You have former underground artists making fucking pop music and their fans seem to be saying "ah you see, he's not going commercial just to sell more stuff, he's just being creative..." Hasn't anyone wondered just why these artists make more mainstream stuff in the first place? Why does "more creative" necessarily rhyme with "more commercial" these days? But anyway, forget it, I guess what's happening with the electronic music scene today is similar with what happened to rock music after the late 60s... the only hope will be to find some far-away un-spoilt land and wait for a new music form to emerge carrying a new wave of underground artists who are more interested in follwing their hearts than making enough money to buy a new house...I am very sorry lemmi, but that just sounds very close minded and dull to me. How can you know that they are not following their heart? How can you know that they just want to make money? I think it is very degrading to state the above, without sitting with all the facts. Pop music to you maybe something else to another person... At this point I ask myself how much OPEN MINDED people there ARE in this scene... It saddens me to read such a post as the above, as it doesnt sound any better than the moaning posts about Full On. TASTE my friend, is something that you need to learn how to respect. IMO, the argument that when musicians evolve into something else than their former fans like are "Commercial", is very infantile and close minded. Sorry, but I just CAN NOT agree with anything of the above quoted post. not even 0.1% Regards, Nemo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest antic Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 well like I said I have nothing against making stuff to pay the bills as long as an artist keeps his main project underground... I wouldn't complain about X-Dream, IM or Transwave if they still made underground music and just had a side-project making commercial stuff... anyway... How the hell can you put X-Dream & Transwave in one sentence with IM is beyond me?! I personally don't like how X-Dream changed lately (never liked electro) and I haven't heard new Transwave tracks (and neither had you, did you?), but WHATEVER the music those two bands release will sound like, it still will be far from commercial. They're still in THIS scene and as far as I know it is still undergound, at least in 99% of the world. Besides, the album we're talking about in this thread is released under Federico Baltimore alias, so - according to what I quoted above - you should not have reason to complain. Problem is, you don't like how the scene changed! News flash - I don't like 80% of what's being released nowadays as 'psytrance', but still if you dig deep enough you'll find some true gems. You've got to understand that old times won't come back, even if all labels would suddenly start releasing 'old-school'. Check Suntirp releases - it's close, but not the same (not that I'm complaining, far from it! ). Have you heard latest Koxbox, Prometheus, OOOD, Voice of Cod? They ALL have full-on basslines in them. SO WHAT? It's incredibly good MUSIC - that's what matters to me and a lot of other people here. So, save your winings untill Transwave releases the new album. The production will definitely be updated, more digital than analogue and I'm 100% sure that there will be a full-on bassline in those tracks. But I'm aware of that and those things won't influence my opinion about the actual music. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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