Guest random Posted November 22, 2002 Share Posted November 22, 2002 entare my man i've not only been listening to psytrance since the early days, i've been making psytrance for as long so please cut the old timer stuff with me. yes there is a lot of psytrance out there that is either anything EXCEPT psytrance like all the minimalism or techno stuff, or its formulaic. People right now, the way I see it, are experimenting, trying to find the "new sound" for psytrance to move into. Before Hallucinogen came on the scene, there was a huge load of more-of-the-same CDs. Twisted was a milestone album. A time later, Infected came and changed psytrance again. While there are some *excellent* releases between milestone albums, there is usually just one band you can point at and say "there, these is/are the guy/s who save psytrance....." or some shit like that. I think we're in the bottom of the wave right now... I mean, once you've hit the bottom, the only way is up is it not? We'd all like to have a 100% killer tracks release ratio, but it ain't gonna happen... and whats wrong with listening to good OLD albums? Is psytrance that shallow to you that after a couple of listen, the album is used up? Geez, pick up The Gathering or Twisted.. or Radio.. anything.. shove it up your cd player and have fun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest --==1400MiLeS==-- Posted November 22, 2002 Share Posted November 22, 2002 Quote:"A state of trance is attained through monotony"... Thats not what psychedelica in general and Goa is about at all... Hallucinogetic? Colors? LSD? It was always about the visual side, imagining things ('you have to go in trance and you can find a Yeti easily') and stuff. What you refer to is Hypnotic...Its a completely different kettle of fish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest entare Posted November 22, 2002 Share Posted November 22, 2002 random listen...i could and i am listening to old goodies now a days..and most of us feel betrayed to see how psy had its way into something totally different than what it was originally..ok evolving i agree but why make it so minimalistic rythm is good what it lacks is melod..and i can't buy some cd just cos i like one or two songs not cos i don't want to but money is the issue...nowadays it is too much of a money effort...i can't live just from music... maybe we should make a label to release quality music... more opinions... bOm!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest unikos Posted November 22, 2002 Share Posted November 22, 2002 the only ways to hear "quality" music or "innovative" music are to either make it or find it. and by "find it" i mean search more cds than what psyshop for example have.... music different and fresher than the two last years well-known european psy IS out there, but it is released from labels relatively unknown... and i agree that if someone should be punished, it should be the people who buy the same things over and over again and nobody else... (maybe the artists that have gone more mainstream or soft) im not saying that i have been in the scene for long - i havent, but i can see that people who get into psy recently are different from the "first" generation and are mainly into psytrance for the partys/drugs/public relations.... and they are more than happy with what is coming out because they havent yet spent enough time with it to get boring..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chong Posted November 22, 2002 Share Posted November 22, 2002 yep - ive bought about 5 or 6 (psy) CDs this yr - same as EA...last year i bought many many more- i also see the music declining - - - - i hope its just a wave..................... but there is good music out there in other genres - just need to search. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rafghanish Dreamweaver Posted November 22, 2002 Share Posted November 22, 2002 1400Miles - I agree with you. The "older" trance was definately more colourful, melodic, visual and generally trippy. To me that is the Goa vibe and I do love it. I just reckon that now, ppl are experimenting more with the roots of trance - hypnotic. You know the simple clapstick with the droning didge kinda magick. I don't know, it's just my opinion really, but I think that we are going in the right direction. It's like random says, maybe we are searching for something innovaitive and just in a state of contemplating where we want to take trance to next. Yeah so call my naive but I love it all. We've a Dream Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest phaeton Posted November 22, 2002 Share Posted November 22, 2002 i can only partially agree with you people. i agree that there's a lot of crap coming out these days suffering from generic mediocrity syndrome, but there is also a lot of innovative stuff coming out that i bet_will_ be remembered within a few years as having been very influential. there are still a lot of labels out there that are constantly pushing the barriers of sanity, releasing music that is interesting both soundwise and melodically. you can't blame it on labels like apoxina, parvati, demon tea or exogenic that their music isn't being played regularly at parties or even bought by grumpy reactionaries like you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest entare Posted November 22, 2002 Share Posted November 22, 2002 i like their releases and i played them regulary....but yeah u sometimes have to adjust to the crowd... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Theory of chaos Posted November 23, 2002 Share Posted November 23, 2002 Yeah Phaeton...IMO you got the rigth point...a few people still "fight" against mainstream and produce really interesting music which doesn' sound like classical...it's because of these guys that I rediscovered after a long time the pleasure of trance...I don't want Goa classical (guys you are living in the past...stay in it), I don't want mainstream...(ho!!! my god 10 000 times the same shit again and again...) I don't want boring progressive... but how many people are like me...only a few I think...so even if I don't like the situation...it's like that...sorry to say that but most of the people are not ready to listen to something different...so it is normal that artists (euh...) and labels make profits out of this situation...But hopefully there will be always guys who will continue to keep the "sacred spirit" and make us dance eternally.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stringtheory Posted November 23, 2002 Share Posted November 23, 2002 I disagree with most of you. There have been a number of excellent psytrance releases over the last two years. Here are a few: Infected Mushroom: B.P. Empire Son Kite: Perspectives Of X-Dream: Irritiant Logic Bomb: Unlimited Process: Superior Technology Wizzy Noise: Cyclotron Lemurians: Crystal Mind Etnica: Chrome Cosmosis: Contact Fractal Glider: Parasite Psydrop: The Miracle Man Talamasca: Musica Divonurum Ra: To Sirus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Zero Posted November 23, 2002 Share Posted November 23, 2002 T.o.C and Phaeton are so precisely touching the point then I can't say more... I'd like to read those kind of words more frequently on this forum, definitely! Please Djs, stop trying to have some cheap "glory" by playing easy mainstream tracks, your role is to help the music evolution, it's not to satisfy your (big) ego... NO, NEVER ADJUST TO THE CROWD!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest r2d2 Posted November 25, 2002 Share Posted November 25, 2002 I agree with most of you. I don't like the current trends. Too much of minimal/boring/progressive or formulaic/uninspired/full on. HOWEVER there are some lables/artist that still continue to amaise me nowdays. I think if he was properly suported, Ka-sol would be the next king of psy trance who would fight for the throne with Simon and once our dear Mr. Posford decides to totally drift away and make other kinds of music, Krister Ka-Sol would take over. Now will he have the proper support from the labels to release his crazy Scando/Psychedelic as hell/ Full of Layers and mad riffs a la "Proffessor Mephisto" sound remais to be seen. Generally, nowdays I think they are too hesitant to sign him because he would push the boundaries too much. I sure hope for the best. Another great act that constantly doesn't get well deserved attention is Battle Of The Future Buddhas. Another example of pure Scando/screw the current trends kind of attitude in their music. Obviusly, it's logical, as far as labels, Schlab is the current leader. Not widely recognized, but somehow they remind me of the early TIP records. Matt Boom was smart. He signed BOTFB an grabbed piece of fame in his Boom! discography we'll talk about in years to come. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest random Posted November 25, 2002 Share Posted November 25, 2002 r2d2: depends what your tastes are, I myself dislike pretty much anything made by scandinavians... too clunky. Matt Boom wouldn't know a track from a pop tart and Schlab ain't much of a label where originality is concerned.... my personnal opinion, of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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