Guest lurk Posted December 5, 2002 Share Posted December 5, 2002 Ok, here's a thought. Psytrance has changed an enormous amount in the 10 years since it really started. If you look at the music of the 60's, it took a decade for that music to change as much as well, and if you look at classical music, now that took 100's of years to progress, but still people were happy. Now if you look at our scene, the whole new wave israeli thing (Astrix/Alien Project/Atomic Safi Pulse Connection) has only really been around for about 12 months, but already people are saying it's generic and bad for the scene. Obviously if you hear a 3 hour dj set with nothing but 1 type of sound, or you sit there listening to this at home all day every day, it's going to get boring really quickly. So why do people moan about a "lack of progression" with psytrance ? aren't we being really impatient, or do we just have the same attention span of the mtv generation ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest m Posted December 5, 2002 Share Posted December 5, 2002 hehe that makes no sense the question should really be "why are you pissed off with psy trance if you put yourself through the same monotonous Israeli shit for 3 hours?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest lurk Posted December 5, 2002 Share Posted December 5, 2002 It makes plenty of sense; there's a post in this forum saying that Alien Project is generic and boring. Something is generic because it doesn't evolve and just copies something else. To me it doesn't make sense to call a style of music that's only 2 years old at most generic, because it hasn't had time to evolve. Hence my question about why people expect psytrance to evolve/progress at three or four times the rate of any other music. You focused on my point about DJ's using all the same style of psytrance, but that could be the same for any style, minimal, progessive, psytech, whatever, i was just using it as an example, and it was not the main point at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest lurk Posted December 5, 2002 Share Posted December 5, 2002 having ready your reply to the hallucinogen in dub topic, i now understand why you answered the way you did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest m Posted December 5, 2002 Share Posted December 5, 2002 OK! Lurk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest unikos Posted December 5, 2002 Share Posted December 5, 2002 the music that they play now is not psychedelic, its dark techno.. i cant feel any magic from the music... thats my opinion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jeff Posted December 5, 2002 Share Posted December 5, 2002 "why people expect psytrance to evolve/progress at three or four times the rate of any other music" My 2 cents : maybe it's linked to the history of Psy trance itself, that is a constant race to find the newest and strangest sounds and effects. It's been so since the early days on Anjuna Beach, in the mid-80's. By definition, this form of music can't stop searching for new form of musical expressions. Fast evolution would thus be inscribed in its very essence. J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basilisk Posted December 5, 2002 Share Posted December 5, 2002 i expect it only to diversify, not run in herds... and thats what we have happening. i remember when i first heard midnight sun and thought 'well this is better than all the minimal mush i've heard recently, but i could just listen to GMS instead'... and then wham, its EVERYwhere.. same sound, same vibe, same mood (stick another pill in me) and some djs play nothing but that sound... which, aside from being ridiculously easy to mix, is really irritating after the seventh matrix sample! worst offender: absolum's drumatrix.. grr.. repeating samples over and over again was cool in 1994 when everyone was listening to demented techno and chomping disco biscuits like breath mints. but that's another story... personally, i'm satisfied with whats on the go. sure you have the astrix and GMS posse of like-sounding artists, all making bland ineffectual filler with the occaisional gem that i dont even bother with... but there's also artists like nervasystem, eat static, process, human blue, and saiko-pod trying out interesting new concepts in music... to run the full circle... i dont believe its progression so much as diversification of sound that matters to me... technology is always on the rise so the sounds we're hearing will become more precise as time goes on... its just a question of atmosphere, mood, style - and the more experiments out there the more likely we're going to hear something fresh and interesting. and if it gets really bad there's all those records from 96 that still kick my ass. thus i have no complaints. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest lurk Posted December 5, 2002 Share Posted December 5, 2002 Sorry, I think you're being completely unrealistic if you think that this music has to evolve any quicker than it is already. In the last 2 years we've seen influences from house and techno come in, it's become minimal and then you have the finnish sound, and the explosion in psy-ambient. There should be something there for everyone, and if you can't find it then either you should be listening to something else, or you should be doing something to change the music yourself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest :EA: Posted December 6, 2002 Share Posted December 6, 2002 Could be that psy trance fans are a certain breed of people who need constant input in this new technological age, otherwise we get bored and frustrated. Just as computers become outdated in a period of months, so do styles of psy trance. Music is traveling from the creator to the listener much faster than it ever did before, which means styles are naturally going to get old much quicker. Back in Classical times, fans had to wait years for the next symphony, so music had a much longer time to grow old. Now we're creating micro-symphonies and providing global access to our music in a matter of days. Edu says the Belgians have a saying: "Eating increases the appetite." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest psy-vibe Posted December 6, 2002 Share Posted December 6, 2002 for once...take a drop of L.S.D, a form of psychedelic drug and try to listen to Mtv..I don’t think you will like it, but if you listen psytrance(whatever that is!!!) I’m sure you will love it......Now let's see what is psytrance For me psytrance is the music that awake my senses, take me traveling through the sound without the help of any drugs....It's the vibe that follows that scene since that parties in Anjuna many years ago...And since all these years I think we have seen many changes. In brief, from acid house we went to rave and techno, israeli and then psytrance as we know it today. And today we have propably more than 500 artists and projects all with the same target....Make good music, make psytrance......But it's obvious they have different influences,tastes,experiences and abilities. That’s why we have the new israleli-scandinavian-australian-minimal-full on-dark-morning-andwhateverelseuwant psytrance and of course Goa.... NOW......if anyone can really tell me that doesn't see any progression or a real psytrance scene alive and banging then fine with me…There are great parties and people out there but I guess you are too busy to find them….And for sure you won’t find psytrance to Mtv….Psytrance it’s not mainstream “As to why it's not mainstream.. well, quite simple really.. because we don't want it to be. You see, we are the marginalized anti-social elite of the electronic music scene, and we want it to stay that way..” Peace… P.S sorry for my english Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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