Guest TjT Posted December 6, 2002 Share Posted December 6, 2002 The NY based party organizer has decided to quit throwing parties. Pretty sad since they threw the best parties in NY. >To all of you Dreamers, Wonderers and Believers, To my Friends, Brothers and Sisters, I have to announce an important news, the Saturday November 23 party was the last chapter of the Synthetic Sadhus' four years Saga. The New Year's Eve is cancelled as well as ALL the upcoming parties. It is the conclusion of a beautiful and unforgettable adventure, the conclusion of 10 amazing years devoted to the Trance culture and 28 magical gatherings in the Big Apple. I ran out of strenght, out of money and I worked to the bone for way too long... As you guys know, this music is my heartbeat and the trance scene surely remains an authentic way of life that I embraced with passion, but I simply can not continue to sacrifice all my energy and my love for gatherings that people chose not attend anymore. I have been patient and offered all I could give, but I am extremely tired. It is always better to stop on a beautiful party than to wait for things to turn real ugly, It is time to accept reality and to accept that the trance culture did not prevail in New York City. Of course it was a great challenge, to offer an alternative artistic way of life in the capital of the money-driven wild capitalist world was one hell of a challenge and We, dreamers, managed to dream in a world that does not allow dreams for the last Four years! But today, while records shops are either closing, either refusing to distribute Trance any longer, while trance distributors are moving away from New York, while other productions are completely bankrupt, while legendary labels are disapearing or reconverting in Tech-House or progressive, we have to look at reality and accept that the Psy-Trance in U.S.A is really in a dead-end situation. There is a beautiful small family that I will miss to gather, but there are NO scene, no scene allowing us to survive independently, no Americans while we are in America, they did not embrace our revendications, our dreams, our music... I guess in America they are too used to sugar-coated suppository music, they just want easy to swallow sounds to relax from their 10 hours a day work week. Because the quest in this country is not spiritual but material, which explains why in 5 years of trance in New York, we still don't have any electronic radio, any kind of sponsoring, no means of distribution and information, no specialized press, barely a spot to put flyers in the few shops there is, cops ready for action outside the parties if we distribute flyers in the street, etc...etc...etc... It cost too much for a too small audience, in other words it is a dead end ! Because no one had the balls to take a risk, people want sure money and as fast as possible. And for the very few who took risks such as Us or Tsunami or Spectra, well at the last Tsunami, the artist refused to play because of the lack of attendance, then the last Spectra, the artist did not show up and the venue closed its doors, about us at the last Synthetic, we barely reached 500 souls while we had more than double last year at the same date. The New York crowd is before all a club crowd, they are not interested in the underground, they are not even curious. In despite of all the amazing painters and deco artists we brang, in despite of stunning international line-ups, and a truly beautiful international crowd, in despite of venues with security that join us on the dancefloors, they are not curious. It is in a way the same mentality towards foreign subtitled movies, New Yorkers are lazy, it is too much work to read subtitles. Therefore there is only three or four independant movie theater in the pretendously capital of the world ! There is such a lack of artistic motivation, of spiritual communication...And even the rave productions are falling apart one after the other, the entire electronic culture is in decline in this country, only the VERY commercial, clubby house music still drive crowds today, but that's the way it is ! Personnally, Trance is too important in my life for me to reconvert myself with more commercial productions, I would never find the motivation if it is only about making some dough...I'd rather do something else, I have other ressources, other passions....I will miss it, I will miss all of you, but I retire with no regrets, I met so many great individuals, I have so many beautiful souvenirs and I found so much inspiration, these last ten years have been unforgettable.... And thanks to you guys who supported us, who believed in the Sadhus and shared this adventure with so much love... Thanks for all the smiles, for all your mails and for all your support, it is what kept me going for so long ! But Trance culture beliefs represents the antagonist concept of New York City's mentality, we represented a small knot of resistance in front of the ever growing sins of never ending greed, we proposed an other look on life, another approach to perceive and to feel, another way to love, a TRUE way and a REAL look, but then again it does not seem that human nature instinctively bends towards these directions, it requires thinking and efforts, will and determination, frankness versus fakeness, etc... Also and most importantly, the artists did change, the true pioneers, the unavoidable ones, the ones who guided us , who made us believe, really believe became an endangered species today, some of the new comers are arrogant, pretentious, greedy and a torture to work with and I feel relieve to know that I won¹t have to deal with those no more, those artists that pretend to embrace and to represent the trance culture but that want to travel only in Business class, cry because they stay in 200 $ a night hotels, are paid Thousands of dollars for a 2 hour set, make me rent thousands of $ of equipment they fake to use on stage, require to have as many hotel nights as they feel for their "holidays" in New york, sometimes even asking me to pay for their nights out before or after the party...I mean it is NEVER enough, artists like Alien "Reject" that could disguss any trance lovers from ever listening to this music again, cheap crooks....Thanks God I am only talking of a minority, because most of the talents I brang were great guys, passionate and humble, inspiring people that gave a face to the amazing tracks we heard... I mean if you consider yourself as Madonna, go in the fucking show Business and do not pronounce the word underground, it is forbidden on Arsim¹s lips...Just stay away from people who try to share a dream, because WE are true visionnaries a little too much in advance on their time...Anyway the Sadhus will always stay alive in our memories and who knows one of these days, on a magical night, a flyer might announce a surprise Synthetic gathering...We never know what the future holds... Although it is the end of an era, it is also the beginning of a new one, but the foundations of the true tribe seem to have dispersed, at least in New York, let's keep all these magical nights and dawns alive in our memories, and remember Krisztina who filled with grace and beauty the most memorable of these Babylonian fragments of life in which we succeeded to form an entity....It is just an "Au revoir"..... And as always, with much Love, Peace & light....Synthetic Sadhus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ciotera Posted December 7, 2002 Share Posted December 7, 2002 Very sad news. Their parties were the best. But trance in NY will survive. Just like the independent films. Survive but not flourish. It will never flourish, and it will never become mainstream. Maybe, that's not such a bad thing after all. This is a niche product. As much as we'd like to think that the world would be a better place if everyone was like us, everyone is not like us. Market size wise, there are very few people who like this music. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest --==1400MiLeS==-- Posted December 7, 2002 Share Posted December 7, 2002 Alien "Reject" hehehehe...This does shine a whole new light on the "Alien project - why are they so popular?" topic. Quote:"some of the new comers are arrogant, pretentious, greedy and a torture to work with and I feel relieve to know that I won¹t have to deal with those no more, those artists that pretend to embrace and to represent the trance culture but that want to travel only in Business class, cry because they stay in 200 $ a night hotels, are paid Thousands of dollars for a 2 hour set, make me rent thousands of $ of equipment they fake to use on stage, require to have as many hotel nights as they feel for their "holidays" in New york, sometimes even asking me to pay for their nights out before or after the party..." This is going downhill and even worse, you can hear this mentality in the music nowadays...Instant fast food...So far for the PLUR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tektronik Posted December 7, 2002 Share Posted December 7, 2002 I know this wasnt posted by them but i hope that this message will get to them in some form: Wow. I am sorry to say i was unable to ever make it to a party. But i feel a great pain none the less. You guys were the best promoters in the united states and definitely had a world following. I hope you consider only taking a break for a few years till the economy recovers. May the Great Spirit always be with you in your journey through life and may the light shine forever on your soul, for you are truly one of the few awakened. Steven Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest auryn Posted December 7, 2002 Share Posted December 7, 2002 jeeeeez, what is wrong with that Alien Project guy? What is wrong with TIP for signing such an ass? hmpf, better throw away my copy of Aztechno Dream now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rishi Posted December 7, 2002 Share Posted December 7, 2002 A Link Please! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tektronik Posted December 7, 2002 Share Posted December 7, 2002 http://www.synthetic-sadhus.com/ It comes up with the first page.... Steven Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest aje Posted December 8, 2002 Share Posted December 8, 2002 Thank you Synthetic Sadhus, I dont live in Nw York, but Ive been to a couple of your parties, they always rocked. I bow before you, may you be more succesful in your next adventures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Entity Posted December 8, 2002 Share Posted December 8, 2002 Sorry to say this i was at all the original Synthetic Sadhus at the mark ballroom (i think) in Union square. i also went to a few of there parties in Brooklyn at the Amazura Ballroom. The "S.S." crew brought in some amazing live acts, but i never once had a decent time at their parties. Location, location, location. Those ballrooms were uncomfortable, dirty, VERY VERY rude and mean security guards always looking to steal drugs money or whatever else they found on you. The guards would not let you fill your water bottles in the bathrooms and the bars would charge $5 for a bottle of water. Things got stolen all the time at S.S. parties. i was amazed at how my favorite live acts would ever do business with Synthetic Sadus. In their goodbye note they complain about the greed and excesivness (sp?) of many trance acts. To me it is understandable that they would deal with such attitudes being a part of it themselves. i have no right to complain, seeing as they brought international acts to America that i would have not seen otherwise, but there was an intense shady side to those parties. My opinion stands rather firm from years of experience in the trance world. When you make money off of a Trance party it is no longer pure. It is business. All parties i have been involved in have been free or non profit (charging just enough to cover expenses) and most have been pure magic. Just ask anyone in NYC who skipped a S.S. party to go to a bridge party. Bom Bom Boom E Keep it real keep it free make money at a job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Entity Posted December 8, 2002 Share Posted December 8, 2002 Sorry to say this i was at all the original Synthetic Sadhus at the mark ballroom (i think) in Union square. i also went to a few of there parties in Brooklyn at the Amazura Ballroom. The "S.S." crew brought in some amazing live acts, but i never once had a decent time at their parties. Location, location, location. Those ballrooms were uncomfortable, dirty, VERY VERY rude and mean security guards always looking to steal drugs money or whatever else they found on you. The guards would not let you fill your water bottles in the bathrooms and the bars would charge $5 for a bottle of water. Things got stolen all the time at S.S. parties. i was amazed at how my favorite live acts would ever do business with Synthetic Sadus. In their goodbye note they complain about the greed and excesivness (sp?) of many trance acts. To me it is understandable that they would deal with such attitudes being a part of it themselves. i have no right to complain, seeing as they brought international acts to America that i would have not seen otherwise, but there was an intense shady side to those parties. My opinion stands rather firm from years of experience in the trance world. When you make money off of a Trance party it is no longer pure. It is business. All parties i have been involved in have been free or non profit (charging just enough to cover expenses) and most have been pure magic. Just ask anyone in NYC who skipped a S.S. party to go to a bridge party. Bom Bom Boom E Keep it real keep it free make money at a job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Entity Posted December 8, 2002 Share Posted December 8, 2002 Sorry to say this i was at all the original Synthetic Sadhus at the mark ballroom (i think) in Union square. i also went to a few of there parties in Brooklyn at the Amazura Ballroom. The "S.S." crew brought in some amazing live acts, but i never once had a decent time at their parties. Location, location, location. Those ballrooms were uncomfortable, dirty, VERY VERY rude and mean security guards always looking to steal drugs money or whatever else they found on you. The guards would not let you fill your water bottles in the bathrooms and the bars would charge $5 for a bottle of water. Things got stolen all the time at S.S. parties. i was amazed at how my favorite live acts would ever do business with Synthetic Sadus. In their goodbye note they complain about the greed and excesivness (sp?) of many trance acts. To me it is understandable that they would deal with such attitudes being a part of it themselves. i have no right to complain, seeing as they brought international acts to America that i would have not seen otherwise, but there was an intense shady side to those parties. My opinion stands rather firm from years of experience in the trance world. When you make money off of a Trance party it is no longer pure. It is business. All parties i have been involved in have been free or non profit (charging just enough to cover expenses) and most have been pure magic. Just ask anyone in NYC who skipped a S.S. party to go to a bridge party. Bom Bom Boom E Keep it real keep it free make money at a job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Entity Posted December 8, 2002 Share Posted December 8, 2002 Sorry about the tripple post. Accident. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Boom Posted December 9, 2002 Share Posted December 9, 2002 I am really sad but the news i am just reading. Synthetic Sadhus threw great parites and brought down great artists with great music, Thank you the all the sadhus you guys were awesome....Thanks for keeping the music alive in a country that doesnt have much to offer.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest roopak@procyonrecords.com Posted December 9, 2002 Share Posted December 9, 2002 hey boom, are you @ u of r???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest what??? Posted December 9, 2002 Share Posted December 9, 2002 thanx ss... i'll miss making that trip up there... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouroboros Posted December 11, 2002 Share Posted December 11, 2002 entity, i started going to ss after they already moved to amazura (in queens not brooklyn). and i have to say i agree with you an how awful the venue was. the best ss i went to was absolum at the roxy. the venue was perfect and absolum was..well absolum..they rocked. i hated amazura, you are so right about the rudeness of the security and the underlying shadyness of it all. but i will still miss them. they did contribute a great deal to the scene....much more so than the bridge parties. the bridge parties made me feel a little awkward. none of my friends like psy so i usualy went out alone. while i sometimes went with a friend or sometimes knew a person or two at the party...the bridge parties were very clique-y and not all that open to new faces. at least not mine...maybe im just too ugly =) oh and there was too much bird shit. hehe =) dont get me wrong i still liked them very much and would still go. i personaly loved that place by the water in coney island though. i hope omnitribe can pick up the slack. and whatever happened to spiritual beings? they werent very good..but getting better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest joe Posted December 12, 2002 Share Posted December 12, 2002 Why is trance 'dead' ? Spreading the word in the US is difficult.. all electronic music is very underground you could say... compairing album sales of anything electronic (except moby and his entourage).. Puff daddy sells 6 million albums.. no one can come near that except for some one hit wonders like daft punks popularity but when joe shit from idaho digs an electronic song, theres little available to communicate the culture behind it to him except the occasional fear mongering news stories about drugged out teeny boppers from the city at some 'rave' thing. Alot of the explosion in techno in europe was due to a major glut in dance music. America already had it and its dominating everything - hip hop. Go to any generic keg party or club in the US and you will hear hip hop and see lots of people dancing. So then you have that 1% of america who is on the know about raves/electronica. Then you have psy trance.. People hear about things through word of mouth. Ravers either hear from someone "yea at goa parties they play a form of trance but its much more incredible than others and the vibe is so off the mark from what we are used to" or they hear more often ive noticed, especially in NYC "theyre these weird parties with bad lighting, theyre absolutely full of eurotrash and they all do acid and generally get dirty.".. i mean unless you are *really* open minded, you may see thru the later and look for a second opinion, but as most people arnt totally buddafied (which is ok we are human), they will get turned off. Hence trance just really never took off in new york. If psy started over here, and we took it to germany, germans walk in and see the place is full of americans and no one speaks your language, people will naturally have difficulty with the vibe. The height of trance in new york, maybe a year or two ago, it was really held up by europeans chilling in the city for whatever reason. Percentage-wise, there were few americans there. Now alot have gone back to europe leaving things to us. Plus everyone in new york is broke as a fuckin joke now and cant dish 30 bucks to anyone, let alone amazura... ALL of my friends in the city are in tough financial times. I think trance in ny will shrink down to what it was in like 96-97 soon. Biggest loss i think is now its harder to get a large enough crowd to pay for big artists to come in.. or take the risk in the first place. this is a rant but you can piece it together im guessing:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest joe Posted December 12, 2002 Share Posted December 12, 2002 Why is trance 'dead' ? Spreading the word in the US is difficult.. all electronic music is very underground you could say... compairing album sales of anything electronic (except moby and his entourage).. Puff daddy sells 6 million albums.. no one can come near that except for some one hit wonders like daft punks popularity but when joe shit from idaho digs an electronic song, theres little available to communicate the culture behind it to him except the occasional fear mongering news stories about drugged out teeny boppers from the city at some 'rave' thing. Alot of the explosion in techno in europe was due to a major glut in dance music. America already had it and its dominating everything - hip hop. Go to any generic keg party or club in the US and you will hear hip hop and see lots of people dancing. So then you have that 1% of america who is on the know about raves/electronica. Then you have psy trance.. People hear about things through word of mouth. Ravers either hear from someone "yea at goa parties they play a form of trance but its much more incredible than others and the vibe is so off the mark from what we are used to" or they hear more often ive noticed, especially in NYC "theyre these weird parties with bad lighting, theyre absolutely full of eurotrash and they all do acid and generally get dirty.".. i mean unless you are *really* open minded, you may see thru the later and look for a second opinion, but as most people arnt totally buddafied (which is ok we are human), they will get turned off. Hence trance just really never took off in new york. If psy started over here, and we took it to germany, germans walk in and see the place is full of americans and no one speaks your language, people will naturally have difficulty with the vibe. The height of trance in new york, maybe a year or two ago, it was really held up by europeans chilling in the city for whatever reason. Percentage-wise, there were few americans there. Now alot have gone back to europe leaving things to us. Plus everyone in new york is broke as a fuckin joke now and cant dish 30 bucks to anyone, let alone amazura... ALL of my friends in the city are in tough financial times. I think trance in ny will shrink down to what it was in like 96-97 soon. Biggest loss i think is now its harder to get a large enough crowd to pay for big artists to come in.. or take the risk in the first place. this is a rant but you can piece it together im guessing:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 1 Posted December 13, 2002 Share Posted December 13, 2002 Well i'm guessing the security wasn't synthetic saddus' idea in the first place. Thats what the message said, that nyc is too conservative to have trance parties. It's a real shame NYC should be a good place for that, haveing such a large population just by percentages they should get more than 500 people but 30 dollers is far too much for a party. He desrerves to loose when charging that much. He says people have no intrest in the underground.... But isn't that WHY it's called underground? I agree with him with what he says about Alien Project. But why does he cry when he doens't become the leader in US psytrance and get a raidio station? I hope he doesn't expect to hit 500 at every party. Thats allot of people and charging as much as he did you'd be bound to have money left over. Now thats fine as long as it's used to expand and get better stuff for next party. But it should never be paying your bills. a-u-m Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest xevenmonkeys Posted December 14, 2002 Share Posted December 14, 2002 i fell very sad about that, i still cant believe it, i have such good times at synthetic, fucking people, alien project goddamit. its soo good i atented to the last one. but i was really looking foward for new years. my plans r ruined. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest xevenmonkeys Posted December 14, 2002 Share Posted December 14, 2002 i fell very sad about that, i still cant believe it, i have such good times at synthetic, fuckin people, alien project goddamit. its soo good i atented to the last one. but i was really looking foward for new years. my plans r ruined. good bye synthetic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest xevenmonkeys Posted December 14, 2002 Share Posted December 14, 2002 good bye synthetic, and thanks for all the good times i have and all the nice people i've met, im truly gona miss it. was really looking foward for new years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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