Malevol3nt Posted June 1, 2008 Share Posted June 1, 2008 The obvious answer is: of course it wouldnt, not because goa is not as big as it used to be, but because of the fact that CD stores are closing their doors and not as many people buy CD anymore.I think it's pretty much because of both of those reasons. I guess it's all down to how good the promotion is + the quality of the music itself, then maybe the chances are better for the cd sales. There's still millions of people who buy cd's, they just don't know of this type of music. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malevol3nt Posted June 1, 2008 Share Posted June 1, 2008 Exactly that was the thing with the another world album it had massive promotion and goa trance was very popular for a while indeed, with commercials on television etc. And things like that can happen again. Goa seems to be growing more popular among new producers these days, hopefully one day we'll see a scene that's even bigger then it was in the pre-2000's. *crosses fingers* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
draeke Posted June 2, 2008 Share Posted June 2, 2008 all the replies were very interesting.. and diaks, aha, that was funny about the having it pressed just for my pleasure.. is more than wanting it on silver cd, is the closing of a circle, as many people know i have been trying hard for a long time to get this album out and would simply be the result of a huge effort and to put the word end to this . To answer someone else about a lunar ep repress, well i wouldnt risk immediately a double cd but there can be a reissue of the single afterwards if the sale justify it, but would be again a very limited release.. if albums do no sell, single even less! As u all realized by reading Joske post you certainly understood the market is SO liited.. but really, is not that there aren't people lisening.. is just that the real mass sticks to pirated mp3s.. that is a matter of fact. I was seeing some numbers on torrents sites or on sites offering free mp3 releases and hey there were some albums downloaded 5000 times.. so you realize how it really is . But knowing that Transdimensional sold over 500 in little time is a relief! that was even already released in the past and many people had it already either original or copied. So this album, that may not sound like perfect in terms of production, is still a piece of history in the sense that the tracks were played a lot on parties back then and many people in a way or another heard them.. so it may work out. I guess that with 500 sold i might get somehow even to the production costs.. and if i manage to sell more even earn a bit to think about releasing something else afterwards.. I will keep you posted if something new happens PS: thanks Joske for the offering of help, I will contact you with some technical questions cheers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reger Posted June 2, 2008 Share Posted June 2, 2008 here we go ok let's see if we can have a clear vision on this matter... i spoke with all the members of the team and there is a general consense on my will to release it but there are the problems mentioned above..everyone wants his piece of the cake.. beside that i spoke seriously with maurizio about an oldschool department of etnica.net and we will see what could be done. I will anyhow go to ibiza sometime this summer and try to get a deal with max, eventually something will move. keep you posted.. beside that do you know how much is to print a cd? u do not go below the 3000/4000 eur... which is frankly quite a risk for such a small market. but maybe there wont be troubles to sell out 1000 cds of the crop circles.. even if i have my doubts. now that is not available everyone wants it but then at the moment u really have to pay for it everyone will simply stick to the mp3 release that will be "fair enough" for everyone that is not a collector.. prove me wrong ! make it flac/wav net-release and then run limited number of cd's. but, not sure if people will want to pay for flac, unfortunately :/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goa-Head Posted June 2, 2008 Share Posted June 2, 2008 Count me out of flac and digital formats, I want a CD, if, ever, it happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maden Posted June 2, 2008 Share Posted June 2, 2008 When i will be very very rich, i will give money to suntrip to help the development, for releasing old and rare golden peace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reger Posted June 2, 2008 Share Posted June 2, 2008 id say quite a waste of money and resources to make cd's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rino Posted June 2, 2008 Share Posted June 2, 2008 id say quite a waste of money and resources to make cd's Blasphemous statement, reger There are people on this very forum who spent years collecting and searching in order to complete their Etnica/Pleiadians/Lotus Omega/Crop Circles collections, and having "Tetrahedron" on CD would be the icing on an already creamy cake. I hope you see my point. Yes, digital is the future, but no - no "Tetrahedron" as some FLAC/WAV!!! I've been waiting for one too many years to be satisified with some files on my monitor. I hope that made sense... I'm kinda tired, this thread is cool but it's on fire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemmiwinks Posted June 2, 2008 Share Posted June 2, 2008 Blasphemous statement, reger There are people on this very forum who spent years collecting and searching in order to complete their Etnica/Pleiadians/Lotus Omega/Crop Circles collections, and having "Tetrahedron" on CD would be the icing on an already creamy cake. I hope you see my point. Yes, digital is the future, but no - no "Tetrahedron" as some FLAC/WAV!!! I've been waiting for one too many years to be satisified with some files on my monitor. I hope that made sense... I'm kinda tired, this thread is cool but it's on fire. hmm I think you don't get it: it's not a question of having it on CD or on your harddrive... it's a question of having it on your harddrive or not at all! Personally I've been toying around with this idea: make a site where you have to be registered to dload psytrance torrents AND have a "make a donnation" button. The money donated would go directly to the artists concerned. I'm sure a LOT of money could be made that way. Even if people contribute, say, 5 euros it won't cost anything to press the CDs, it would be 5 euros in the artists' pocket. What do you guys think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caffein:me Posted June 2, 2008 Share Posted June 2, 2008 It isn't in human nature to pay for something that they can get for free... sooner or later it will end up on the intertubes, Great idea tho- But i wouldn't be profitable in the end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemmiwinks Posted June 2, 2008 Share Posted June 2, 2008 It isn't in human nature to pay for something that they can get for free... sooner or later it will end up on the intertubes, Great idea tho- But i wouldn't be profitable in the end. I disagree... just look at iTunes: people pay to dload stuff to their mp3 player when they could just illegally dload the exact same mp3s without paying squat. IMO the main issue is how much you pay. Some people earn a lot of money and find 15€ for a CD quite cheap. Others simply don't have the money to get all the CDs they'd want but they'd like to pay SOMETHING to show their appreciation to the artist. IMO the main problem with the psy world today is that there is no middle-road: you either pay the full price for a CD or nothing at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reger Posted June 2, 2008 Share Posted June 2, 2008 Blasphemous statement, reger There are people on this very forum who spent years collecting and searching in order to complete their Etnica/Pleiadians/Lotus Omega/Crop Circles collections, and having "Tetrahedron" on CD would be the icing on an already creamy cake. I hope you see my point. Yes, digital is the future, but no - no "Tetrahedron" as some FLAC/WAV!!! I've been waiting for one too many years to be satisified with some files on my monitor. I hope that made sense... I'm kinda tired, this thread is cool but it's on fire. What i mean is, getting rich and then press gazillions of out-of-print goa cd's would be, in my opinion, quite a waste of money, first, people with such attitude rarely get rich, thats what ive heard, spending, throwing money on trash at first hand while trying to make a living i mean Nay,i mean, money wise it MIGHT pay back in many many years, so either you have to be filthy rich to pull that and not care about it coming back or simply stick to one dream release of yours and do it with your milk money savings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rino Posted June 2, 2008 Share Posted June 2, 2008 hmm I think you don't get it: it's not a question of having it on CD or on your harddrive... it's a question of having it on your harddrive or not at all! Personally I've been toying around with this idea: make a site where you have to be registered to dload psytrance torrents AND have a "make a donnation" button. The money donated would go directly to the artists concerned. I'm sure a LOT of money could be made that way. Even if people contribute, say, 5 euros it won't cost anything to press the CDs, it would be 5 euros in the artists' pocket. What do you guys think? I don't think we've reached the point where it's digital or nothing at all... Not quite yet. As I stated in my post, digital will fully take over in years to come, CD is still the predominant medium, IMHO. As for donations, I am with you and your idea, but I reckon you're overestimating human nature. People will stick to anything free like flies stick to shit, meaning that most people would rather have lower quality music for free than paying extra money for full quality music. Unfortunately, there is a completely distorted idea amongst the public domain that music is free, just floating around the internet to be taken by the masses. That is the current situation: more people settle for p2p downloads while a minority stays "true" and buys the music (or paying for full quality digital format), thus supporting the artists/labels. What i mean is, getting rich and then press gazillions of out-of-print goa cd's would be, in my opinion, quite a waste of money, first, people with such attitude rarely get rich, thats what ive heard, spending, throwing money on trash at first hand while trying to make a living i mean Nay,i mean, money wise it MIGHT pay back in many many years, so either you have to be filthy rich to pull that and not care about it coming back or simply stick to one dream release of yours and do it with your milk money savings. I agree with you about repressing a "gazillion" out of print CDs, but we're talking something else. We're talking about a (more or less) one man initiative -draeke- who is well acquainted be it with the original artists be it with the supply/demand of the scene. Furthermore, for an adventure like this one, the parties involved must be beforehand aware of their financial capabilities, and eventual losses/gains. To my knowledge, draeke is well off here. So, for now we are talking about a release of an album for which there IS a fanbase and a place on the market. How big of a place, nobody can say. As usual, time will tell. But without even giving it a try, what's the point of further discussing? With some decent promotion, through the web spaces of the artists themselves, on-line shops and some forum members, who knows? It might reignite the spark in the hearts of countless former old school freaks, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reger Posted June 3, 2008 Share Posted June 3, 2008 I agree with you about repressing a "gazillion" out of print CDs, but we're talking something else. We're talking about a (more or less) one man initiative -draeke- who is well acquainted be it with the original artists be it with the supply/demand of the scene. Furthermore, for an adventure like this one, the parties involved must be beforehand aware of their financial capabilities, and eventual losses/gains. To my knowledge, draeke is well off here. So, for now we are talking about a release of an album for which there IS a fanbase and a place on the market. How big of a place, nobody can say. As usual, time will tell. But without even giving it a try, what's the point of further discussing? With some decent promotion, through the web spaces of the artists themselves, on-line shops and some forum members, who knows? It might reignite the spark in the hearts of countless former old school freaks, right? I wasnt talking about draeke and tetrahedron, i was talking about pressing gazillions Maden mentioned sort of ps. i for example would first listen to tetrahedron samples and then decide, to buy it or not. its been ages since its initial plan of release and if there is no sound improvement [no more signals anyone?] in audio material then im passing, for piece of plastic in the name of piece of plastic is not a factor for me to buy release. so, improve sound and then were talking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mars Posted June 3, 2008 Share Posted June 3, 2008 Draeke, feel free to contact us, I think Jos & I have a couple of good addresses and advice for you. Else you may read this too, check my replies: http://www.psynews.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=50244 Oh and it you wanna see the Etnica dudes, maybe just go to Aurora festival, Pleiadians play there (and we'll be there too). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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