qa2pir Posted March 5, 2008 Share Posted March 5, 2008 Colin: How does the 303 sequencer work compared to regular MIDI? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supergroover Posted March 5, 2008 Share Posted March 5, 2008 i remember seeing my first (and last) 303 and not being able to program it without manual you have to push one button while programming the sequence. not very logical..... how easy is it to use it with cv? i never used anything besides midi and have no clue what so ever about the cv.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin OOOD Posted March 6, 2008 Share Posted March 6, 2008 Colin: How does the 303 sequencer work compared to regular MIDI?Brain-bending. I couldn't tell you now the exact details of how it works as I've used MIDI to program 303s ever since Nigel put a CV/Gate/Cutoff/Accent input on his in 1995, and even when I was programming it every day I still had to have the manual nearby. It's similar to the step-sequencer in many other devices (SH-101 or Sequential SixTrak for example) in that you get very little feedback of what you're doing and have to hold the whole thing in your head whilst your programming it. Basics: you step through the pattern (max 16 steps) one step at a time, programming a note of the required pitch or a rest into each one. Each step also has options for octave shift, tie, slide and accent. You can chain patterns together to make longer melodies, and make songs out of chains and patterns. If once you've programmed your riff you then realise you've made a mistake (which is fairly probable) and want to correct it (who knows, the mistake likely sounded better than what you intended) you have to listen to your riff a million times, counting 16ths like crazy until you're as sure as you can be that you know where in the riff the mistake was, then step through the pattern and correct the note(s), praying to god you didn't get confused by the fact that the slide function applies to the note AFTER the one you programmed it on... oh you did get confused? No matter, your riff now has a quirky syncopation in it! Cool! And oh look, the 'C' key double-presses sometimes so you just overwrote another step with the wrong note; no matter, put an accent on both of them, crank up the res and the accent level and listen to that baby squeal! For those of you after ultimate reality in your 303 riffs, this page is the Bible (at least for me); geeky maybe but it really does make a difference when used with a good 303 emulator. [fanboy rant] If the 303 is one of the most important instruments in dance music, then Phoscyon is perhaps one of the most important plugins. Admittedly it's been a while since I had my hands on an analog TB303 so my memory of the sound is quite old but it really is that good to my ears. I'm in heaven here right now. Raw instrument output - no plugins or processing [/fanboy rant] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devious Posted March 6, 2008 Author Share Posted March 6, 2008 Brain-bending. I couldn't tell you now the exact details of how it works as I've used MIDI to program 303s ever since Nigel put a CV/Gate/Cutoff/Accent input on his in 1995, and even when I was programming it every day I still had to have the manual nearby. It's similar to the step-sequencer in many other devices (SH-101 or Sequential SixTrak for example) in that you get very little feedback of what you're doing and have to hold the whole thing in your head whilst your programming it. Basics: you step through the pattern (max 16 steps) one step at a time, programming a note of the required pitch or a rest into each one. Each step also has options for octave shift, tie, slide and accent. You can chain patterns together to make longer melodies, and make songs out of chains and patterns. If once you've programmed your riff you then realise you've made a mistake (which is fairly probable) and want to correct it (who knows, the mistake likely sounded better than what you intended) you have to listen to your riff a million times, counting 16ths like crazy until you're as sure as you can be that you know where in the riff the mistake was, then step through the pattern and correct the note(s), praying to god you didn't get confused by the fact that the slide function applies to the note AFTER the one you programmed it on... oh you did get confused? No matter, your riff now has a quirky syncopation in it! Cool! And oh look, the 'C' key double-presses sometimes so you just overwrote another step with the wrong note; no matter, put an accent on both of them, crank up the res and the accent level and listen to that baby squeal! Holy shit mister 303 professor! -d Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qa2pir Posted March 6, 2008 Share Posted March 6, 2008 Brain-bending. I couldn't tell you now the exact details of how it works as I've used MIDI to program 303s ever since Nigel put a CV/Gate/Cutoff/Accent input on his in 1995, and even when I was programming it every day I still had to have the manual nearby. It's similar to the step-sequencer in many other devices (SH-101 or Sequential SixTrak for example) in that you get very little feedback of what you're doing and have to hold the whole thing in your head whilst your programming it. Basics: you step through the pattern (max 16 steps) one step at a time, programming a note of the required pitch or a rest into each one. Each step also has options for octave shift, tie, slide and accent. You can chain patterns together to make longer melodies, and make songs out of chains and patterns. If once you've programmed your riff you then realise you've made a mistake (which is fairly probable) and want to correct it (who knows, the mistake likely sounded better than what you intended) you have to listen to your riff a million times, counting 16ths like crazy until you're as sure as you can be that you know where in the riff the mistake was, then step through the pattern and correct the note(s), praying to god you didn't get confused by the fact that the slide function applies to the note AFTER the one you programmed it on... oh you did get confused? No matter, your riff now has a quirky syncopation in it! Cool! And oh look, the 'C' key double-presses sometimes so you just overwrote another step with the wrong note; no matter, put an accent on both of them, crank up the res and the accent level and listen to that baby squeal! For those of you after ultimate reality in your 303 riffs, this page is the Bible (at least for me); geeky maybe but it really does make a difference when used with a good 303 emulator. [fanboy rant] If the 303 is one of the most important instruments in dance music, then Phoscyon is perhaps one of the most important plugins. Admittedly it's been a while since I had my hands on an analog TB303 so my memory of the sound is quite old but it really is that good to my ears. I'm in heaven here right now. Raw instrument output - no plugins or processing [/fanboy rant] Thanks for this explanation! I downloaded the demo, but how do you make it play the pattern? I don't get any sound out of it. EDIT: no problem, it makes sounds now. Though I don't understand how or why. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
el brujo Posted March 6, 2008 Share Posted March 6, 2008 I love my Future Retro Revolution It gives me what I THINK and LOVE about 303 sound and way more more like a devilfish 303 (not completely but with more reso and stuff) with a great interface that I love playing with plus midi plus a midi/cv converter for free Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frozen dream Posted June 16, 2009 Share Posted June 16, 2009 303 with the highs cutoff and lots of res is teh sex! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5W7VnmzBsjw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
needle ninja Posted June 17, 2009 Share Posted June 17, 2009 I always wonder why people dig up these old topics... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frozen dream Posted June 17, 2009 Share Posted June 17, 2009 I always wonder why people dig up these old topics... it's five am, i'm watching this video most of you won't understand but it all makes sense to me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
needle ninja Posted June 17, 2009 Share Posted June 17, 2009 it's five am, i'm watching this video most of you won't understand but it all makes sense to me So can you do the robot dance now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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