Guest konysus Posted January 22, 2003 Share Posted January 22, 2003 ok here goes...... ...........in my opinion the distibution of songs, even in illegal mp3, over the internet, is good for the music and indirectly good for the artist. the distribution, including illegal mp3 transfer, means that that music reaches potentially vastly more numbers of people anywhere in the world.......... more people get in to the music and thus the artist GAINS A RECEPTIVE AUDIENCE AND A POTENTIAL MARKET ALL OVER THE WORLD also the artists do not lose out on money (in fact they make more money) because once people get to love the music they will start buying the cds.........EVERY ONE LOVES THEIR CDS DO THEY NOT??!?!?!? i suggest that our love of owning the cd will realise at least some of that potential market. if people do not have money to buy the cds the artist is not losing any money by allowing those people to enjoy their music for free because whether the poor person is enjoying the music or not, they still would not be able to afford to buy it..........also perhaps if they do later get some money they will by the cd that they heard about by listening to the illegal mp3 copies. any potential revenue they do loose by people listening to there music for free is significantly outwieghed by the increase in revenue they get AS A DIRECT RESULT of the disseminaiton of their work all over the world on the net. my point is that the benefit far outways the detriment to the artist - (especially in the psy trance sphere as i think this is one of the main ways people get in to it and all the different artists) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest .:::EP Posted January 22, 2003 Share Posted January 22, 2003 So when i tell you that i and many many other artists don't sell near as many CD's as we used to do just 3-4 years ago...then I am a liar and just a mp3 hater? Dude wake up !!!!!! What you are stating is pure fantasy !!!!! Try and actually make some music and see for yourself !!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest .:::EP Posted January 22, 2003 Share Posted January 22, 2003 the problem is not the people that can not afford to buy our music... the problem is all the many many spoiled brats that CAN afford the music but don't want to buy the music because they rather sit in their dark rooms downloading mp3 after mp3 while eating pizza and drinking coca cola !!!! thats the reality------like it or not !!!!!!! And they are the reason why many many artists have to stop do what they love most...... make music !!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Navigator Posted January 22, 2003 Share Posted January 22, 2003 Yes Ep, as long as the price for one cd is between 20 and 25 euro's I won't buy the cd but simply dl it,sorry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cpt_shiner Posted January 22, 2003 Share Posted January 22, 2003 havnt posted here for a while and i see nothing has changed... still a bunch of spoiled brats.... what elysium project is saying is entirely the truth, u guys are killing the music you love... think about it will you.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Goagabba Posted January 22, 2003 Share Posted January 22, 2003 Do what you think, if you have fooled yourself with nobility. And you use that piss poor excuse that the poor fuckers can't buy a single CD, but they can buy computers, internet connections, usually with broadband. How fuckin' poor, what a shame. Fuck MP3's and any 'poor' fool who thinks they're the future of music. Isn't that the case with progress, find a media that has good sound quality, and take a step back for MP3's. Hope all of these poor people get some food tonight... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest konysus Posted January 22, 2003 Share Posted January 22, 2003 ok i take your point about how people with enough money to buy a computer and a internet connection should have enough to buy cds........but my main point and one that no one has responded to or commented on is that 'more people get in to the music and thus the artist gains a receptive audience and a potential market all over the world', A MARKET THAT IS THEN REALISED TO SOME EXTENT BY PEOPLES LOVE OF OWNING THE CD. this is exactley how i got to know and appreciate psy music and meny different artists, so then i went and bought the cds of the ones i really liked. i think that in my case i would actually own less cds if i had not had the opportunity to hear the music from the internet. by the way.......i'm not suggesting that people should make and hand out music for free.........of course i want the artists to get paid so they can keep on producing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hallucinogenious Posted January 22, 2003 Share Posted January 22, 2003 well if people want to buy a cd they'll buy it. I stoped downloading mp3 a year i think so ago cause they dont worth .. Im still a student and what i do is to do some economy with my money (dont eat at school, dont waste money) so that i will buy the cd i want ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Slidingtrancer Posted January 22, 2003 Share Posted January 22, 2003 'more people get in to the music and thus the artist gains a receptive audience and a potential market all over the world' I agree with that as well as with EP's point. Mp3 should be a way to listen some stuff and as an incentive to buy albums. But to be honest, I can hardly buy anything lately cuz in Holland albums are so fucking expensive. I don't have a spare 100 $ too buy 4 new releases every month. I just buy the very best of psytrance, cuz I can't afford comp's with two good songs... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest .:::EP Posted January 22, 2003 Share Posted January 22, 2003 konysus what does it matter if those "new" people still do not but the music? Yes I love for more people to listen to my music but it's the circle without an end..... they wont but the music !!!!!...they'll just download it as everybody else...so no matter how more people that discover my music via mp3's I still do not sell more !!!!! - infact I sell 50-60% less than 4 years ago !!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Farewell Posted January 22, 2003 Share Posted January 22, 2003 Yeah, agree with EP. The only thing we can say, it's that you have to prepare to see numerous artists dissapear in the next few year, and it doesn't mind who is guilty. MP3 is a fake friend. It allows a fast promotion to an artist, but evryone know that those who download MP3 regularly and massively won't buy the finished product, or very few. And i know about what I am talking, and EP knows too. It's a fact we can't afford. I think that in this case, everyone has to do an effort. I think too that the work accomplished by the artists and even more by the licensers, who take many risks (i don't speak about major companies, 'course) justify the price of their productions. We have to live, not to be famous. It won't give us bread, and that's what we need. Those who don't understand that, respect, but don't espect miracle from us in the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest .:::EP Posted January 22, 2003 Share Posted January 22, 2003 Anyway I have released my last album for a long long time..... I do not want to sit in a studio for almost a year, working on equipment that I have worked my ass off to be able to afford to buy, and then see it distributed by label DJ's and mp3 mafia's even before a CD cover has been designed !!!! Anyone can see that 500-1000 sold album's wont give you any butter on your bread !!!! And to those that say "well you make your money from live gigs and DJ gisg" I can only tell them...NO I do not anymore !!!! And many many other artists do not...why? Because the organisers only book those artists that play full on and are on the top 10 chart !!!! So again - The only one you hurt by keep downloading mp3's and not buying the CD's - are yourself !!!! Eventually your favourite music / artist or label wont be around anymore and you can blame yourself for that !!! So give us a break !!!! By the way I am poor so i think i will go to a shop tomorrow and tell them that I will steal their jeans....after all they are way tooo expensive and I deserve to get them for free....!!!!! I wont take a no as an answer !!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest konysus Posted January 22, 2003 Share Posted January 22, 2003 you should try that with the jeans!! however this is concetually different - by a person enjoying the song WHO WAS NOT GOING TO BUY IT ANYWAY the artist has lost nothing , ok he has lost a potential sale but i am talking here about people people who, for the moment are not going to by the song anyway, the people who, if they are stopped from listening to the mp3, they won't go and by the original anyway. its different from the jeans because that is a physiacll good , the ownership of which excludes anyone else buying them. however now that i have read all these replys i think that anyone who enjoys the fruits of the artsists labour should enjoy it int the form of a purchased licenced cd so that the artsist does get some money for his effort....... i think my main point before was that mp3 can provide an oportunity to enjoy the music to those who cannot buy the cd or wont buy it......... now i think i see that that those who won't buy the cd have no right to enjoy the music.............and those that can't afford it are too few and the distinction too open to abuse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Spifer Jo Posted January 22, 2003 Share Posted January 22, 2003 I TOTALLY AGREE WITH EP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest unikos Posted January 22, 2003 Share Posted January 22, 2003 i dont think its a matter of mp3 morals... i think its a matter of mentality among our PLUR community.. if u do respect an artist and like their work and you are indeed in the "psycommunity" for the vision(if there still is one) and the fucking good music, then you will undoubtedly buy original cds.... lets hope that in a couple of years there will be no more "e-tards" parasiting on something that should be magical..... by the way, i have to say that personally i love mp3s... these last two years ive been downloading whatever might interest me and in these two years ive bought more cds than the last 10 years.... most of my new cds are the originals of mp3s i have and all i can say is that its fucking worth it even from an economical perspective, you get artwork (new labels have a tendency to have nice artwork!) and you get your music at top quality... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sudh1r Posted January 22, 2003 Share Posted January 22, 2003 the plur thing died a long loge time ago with goa-trance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sienis Posted January 22, 2003 Share Posted January 22, 2003 quote: "also the artists do not lose out on money (in fact they make more money) because once people get to love the music they will start buying the cds.........EVERY ONE LOVES THEIR CDS DO THEY NOT??!?!?!?" that is the line that is a bit too optimistic mate...everyone doesn´t love their CDs....that´s the point.... true about mp3 is that it´s good promotion, sure as hell won´t deny that... too bad most so called 'psy' released nowadays is as psy as my left nut so there´s not much to buy other than simon posford´s stuff and a few other artists.... last CD bought was Green Oms =) u can check my review of it too here on psynews.... LovE! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dj mijis Posted January 22, 2003 Share Posted January 22, 2003 EP just said : "And to those that say "well you make your money from live gigs and DJ gisg" I can only tell them...NO I do not anymore !!!! And many many other artists do not...why? Because the organisers only book those artists that play full on and are on the top 10 chart !!!!" Well my friend thats true , and thats the reason you dont sell enough cds , not because people are dling your music but because of the people who wants mainstream psy and organizers who wants to make money , so dont blame mp3 to much . Peace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest aricz Posted January 22, 2003 Share Posted January 22, 2003 I just read the topic, FUCK'YA ALL! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest AMP Posted January 22, 2003 Share Posted January 22, 2003 I must say this seems a discussion without end, there are always some pros and bad things in both sides, the MP3 side and the artist/distributor side. I agree when people say that MP3 has helped spreading psytrance into what it is today, I think noone can deny that mp3s and psytrance have a funny connection. Its easy to see that, you search for psytrance or other pop rock in the internet, and it seems there are as many people downloading psytrance as there are downloading pop.....like always, this is both good and bad.....this means internet and mp3s are being able to reach more people than the normal means of distribution would (no matter the whys or the reasons, of course many people that have mp3s would not buy the same amount of music in cds), but it is also weird that such a small music genre, psytrance, can be compared in downloads to something like madonna or whatever.... I have see before EP saying that he doesnt do any live gigs anymore.....well, that is your option and you deserve the right to have it....but from my experience many artists do make much more money in gigs than from what they release....I have several friends that apply into that situation.......some of them probably make in 3 months of gigs what they got for the whole album they released........of course you get some % from the sales of the albums.......which we all now suck at the moment, funny, due to mp3s and are situations, but the first being the biggest responsible for it..... There must be a way to balance things, isnt it always like that, in everything in life balance is required, psytrance and mp3s dont escape the rule. (I havent downloaded an mp3 for like 2 years......) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest .:::EP Posted January 22, 2003 Share Posted January 22, 2003 dj mijis when i released "Celestial Sounds And Tribal Beats" in 1998 I did not play live or DJ ... Just as I dont do it now.... And guess what !..I sold 1000% more than I do now ! ....... Weird.... Even my reviews of my new CD "Regenerated" are way better than the reviews I got for "Celestial Sounds & Tribal Beats"..... So you see I don't buy into the excuse that it's because I dont play live ! I still blame mp3's and the fact that people just don't give a rat's ass about the artists rights !!! As AMP said "it seems there are as many people downloading psytrance as there are downloading pop" ....exactly!!!!!! But people listening to pop are a million time more people than people listening to psytrance....so there you go..... They download gigabyte after gigabyte without caring about buying a CD !!!! Nothing people say to try to convince me that it's ok to download mp3's as a substitute to buying CD's will make me stop speaking out about the wrongness of their crimes !!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Goagabba Posted January 22, 2003 Share Posted January 22, 2003 From MPDQX group, Digital Structures news letter: The track Infusion from the new Vibrasphere album is available free to download on the DS website www.mpdqx.com/digitalstructures follow the instructions on the mainpage!!! However we would also like you to consider the following: The underground music industry has come to a crossroad and the next choice of path will determine the future existence of a broad musical spectra. Underground music is very often aimed at a small amount of people and with changing music over the internet and cd burning becoming globally accepted tools for obtaining music, the days of the underground are numbered. We therefore ask you to do a little thinking and see further than your desire to have music for free when the reality in a near future will be that there is no longer any underground music left. Artists and labels will go on to work with forms of art that are more respected and the people who want to shake their hips and lose themselves in a psychedelic experience on the dancefloor will have to do so to a supply of music that has been greatly cut down. So please take your ethics to a new level and help us move the musical movement into the right path for the future. If that doesn't some it up for you, well.....see you all on the other side of electro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dj mijis Posted January 22, 2003 Share Posted January 22, 2003 i myself dl mp3 and then buy the original if i like it because i need it to my dj set , but some people are not interested in buying the original , but if the underground music is falling i dont think its because of the mp3 , its because of the distributors 20 euros is to much . Anyway psy is not the only scene that is falling , even Global Underground has problems , they will declare bankrupt , a lot of big clubs in ibiza are bankrupt now , 2002 was a very hard year for music industry but i dont think the mp3 are the principal factor . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Slidingtrancer Posted January 22, 2003 Share Posted January 22, 2003 I dont want to go down on you Elysium, but I think you developed your style over the past years in a direction few people dig.I'm not saying your music is less enjoyable, just more enjoyable for less people. Maybe that accounts for some of the loss of sales on your side. I think its too easy to blame everything on mp3'z, Elysium, I really do... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Quazzi Posted January 22, 2003 Share Posted January 22, 2003 I have a few friends who download loads of psy-trance but do you think they're going to spend a few euros on the original cd if they like it??!! No, they don't!! They prefer to spend their money on expensive clothes and 10 € per day in drugs(this is real)!!! Not even explaining them how they are ruining the scene is going to cut off their downloading. "EVERY ONE LOVES THEIR CDS DO THEY NOT??!?!?!?" Like sienis said: NO!! Anyway, i'm not agains't LEGAL mp3, it is indeed a very good way for not-well-known producers to promote their music. I discovered my favourite Psy-trance band in the mp3.com site and i'm very thankfull for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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