buzzman Posted January 29, 2008 Posted January 29, 2008 what about music by ishq , elve etc?some of it its absolutely beatless.BPM is not a kick it's the counts(don't know what its called) of the track, so there doesn't nessesarily have to be a beat! If you take cubase or whatever, and turn the BPM down to 0(if you even can do that) then the music would stop. Therefore there have to be at least 1 BPM, and i seriously doubt that it would be very amusing to listen to Quote
snowball Posted January 29, 2008 Posted January 29, 2008 BPM is not a kick it's the counts(don't know what its called) of the track, so there doesn't nessesarily have to be a beat! If you take cubase or whatever, and turn the BPM down to 0(if you even can do that) then the music would stop. Therefore there have to be at least 1 BPM, and i seriously doubt that it would be very amusing to listen to wouldnt be interesting to make a loop with 0,0000000000000000001 bpm and some super fast notes...like 2048ths.... haha Quote
abasio Posted January 29, 2008 Posted January 29, 2008 There is allways a beat... sometimes it fluctuates a lot but thats different. I guess what they mean by beatless is VERY HARD to pick the beat conciouslyWell, no there is some truly beatless ambient out there. No beat, not even the hint of percussion. Just because you haven't heard it doesn't mean that there is always a beat. Although, a lot of what people describe as beatless actually has subtle beats. I've heard Ultimae described as beatless ambient but most tracks on ultimae are quite beaty.  Even ishq & his other monikers have slight percussion.  Take Evan Bartholomew's recent work though & you'll see there is nothing in the way of percussion at all for long long periods.  maybe there is a hidden BPM but there is no beat Quote
Towelie Posted January 29, 2008 Posted January 29, 2008 Even tho theres no percussions theres a tempo that the track follows, no matter if its just drones.. dunno how to explain. I dont care if its 30 bpm or 300 if its good music, cant say which is best. Its like asking which key do you prefer track uses. Quote
seraph Posted January 29, 2008 Author Posted January 29, 2008 wouldnt be interesting to make a loop with 0,0000000000000000001 bpm and some super fast notes...like 2048ths.... haha  That is almost impossible... Quote
NEMO.BOFH Posted January 29, 2008 Posted January 29, 2008 Well, no there is some truly beatless ambient out there. No beat, not even the hint of percussion. Just because you haven't heard it doesn't mean that there is always a beat. Although, a lot of what people describe as beatless actually has subtle beats. Â I've heard Ultimae described as beatless ambient but most tracks on ultimae are quite beaty. Â Even ishq & his other monikers have slight percussion. Â Take Evan Bartholomew's recent work though & you'll see there is nothing in the way of percussion at all for long long periods. Â maybe there is a hidden BPM but there is no beat beatless and bpm is not the same thing. there is always a timecode, no? An ambient without any kind of beat, just floating sounds, might have a bpm of lets say 100 bpm and a 4/3 beat? I mean, every piece of classical pianowork that I know has a timecode... (That I know of, go flame me if I am wrong hehe) Â The question should maybe be re-formed... or something. Â There are some Pete Namlook (and others of course) tracks completely without any beat... it still follows a beat per minute "agenda" Quote
AlieNed Posted January 29, 2008 Posted January 29, 2008 140 -145 is my fav with no interference to hearts own beat Quote
Goa Bill Posted January 29, 2008 Posted January 29, 2008 what about music by ishq , elve etc?some of it its absolutely beatless.No such thing as beatless music. There is a beat but there is no kick drum or any other drum. The music moves than it has a beat, try to put a sequencer on 0BPM and press play. Quote
Goa Bill Posted January 29, 2008 Posted January 29, 2008 you cant hear the beat because the waveform of a beat is not there...but it still has a bpm.... 4/4 8/8 16/16 they need a tempo...You are confusing beat with measurement Quote
snowball Posted January 29, 2008 Posted January 29, 2008 You are confusing beat with measurementno no no i meant to use the 4/4 as an example since a lot of trance has 4/4 beats... but i see that its a bit confusing... Â i ll just stick to the "no beat waveform" next time. Quote
Goa Bill Posted January 29, 2008 Posted January 29, 2008 no no no i meant to use the 4/4 as an example since a lot of trance has 4/4 beats... but i see that its a bit confusing... Â i ll just stick to the "no beat waveform" next time. What's a "no beat waveform"? Quote
snowball Posted January 29, 2008 Posted January 29, 2008 What's a "no beat waveform"?absence of the kick? Quote
Goa Bill Posted January 29, 2008 Posted January 29, 2008 absence of the kick?That's a terminology I've never encountered Quote
snowball Posted January 29, 2008 Posted January 29, 2008 That's a terminology I've never encountered hahaha....give it some time to become popular....its still fresh Quote
Jeller Posted January 29, 2008 Posted January 29, 2008 well i voted 140-160, but i like music at all tempo.. there is downtempo at 100 bpm i really like and there is hardcore at 200 bpm which is also really devastating Quote
Darkarbiter Posted January 29, 2008 Posted January 29, 2008 As people have said you don't need a kick for a track to have a BPM. I can track the bpm of a track (I'd have to compare it to other tracks in my head to get an exact number) and so can everyone just some people need to be more conciously active. I'm sure theres some ambient tracks that suddenly change from 80 bpm to 100 and stuff... but each 2bar loop will have its BPM. Just listen to what a track sounds like when you speed it up by 6% (master tempo on)... it sounds crap! That's because each melody is meant to be at a certain BPM... so if your really good you could probably tell the BPM by the melody alone. Quote
seraph Posted January 31, 2008 Author Posted January 31, 2008 well i voted 140-160, but i like music at all tempo.. there is downtempo at 100 bpm i really like and there is hardcore at 200 bpm which is also really devastating We all like different tempos, you didn't need to choose only one option... Quote
Jeller Posted January 31, 2008 Posted January 31, 2008 dunno but especially in goa/psy I like this tempo the most.. for dark psy 148-156 bpm (but lately there is a lot of good psy on higher tempo like furious) and for suomi i like around 142 BPM Quote
Oopie Posted January 31, 2008 Posted January 31, 2008 Honest in-ye-face 145-150 bpm is usually my ticket for the fun ride. Quote
seraph Posted February 26, 2008 Author Posted February 26, 2008 Someone asked me the other day if the noises and no beat in the track has any BPM, like some of IDM stuff. I believe that every track has its BPM. Quote
Veracohr Posted February 26, 2008 Posted February 26, 2008 125-135, at least for goa/psy  I like stuff that's faster than that, but I can listen to the lower BPMs for longer periods. Quote
Sideffect... Posted February 26, 2008 Posted February 26, 2008 100 until 140, 150 is the absolute max ! Quote
Rotwang Posted February 26, 2008 Posted February 26, 2008 150+ does it for me. Anything less than 145 is chillout. Quote
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