Guest Cetranlien Posted February 8, 2003 Share Posted February 8, 2003 MP3 is the ony way that i have to be informed about new psychedelic musics. So, i try to find them in winmx, soulseek and the net. I found some goods music on the net (skazi, astrix...), winmx (so, so...) and soulseek is off. I´d like to ask to people from this forum to help me saying some goods ftps sites, programs, links to mp3 on the web. THnkx and good vibrations Plur Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest psyXS Posted February 8, 2003 Share Posted February 8, 2003 fuck you buy the damn discs !!!!!!!1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khogg Posted February 8, 2003 Share Posted February 8, 2003 How do you know he doesn't? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quark Posted February 8, 2003 Share Posted February 8, 2003 Maybe he first download the music and then buy it, if it is something for him. But in some way i´t is not right to do that, because it is illegal, and who says that he do buy the music. IMO it is not the right thing to do, because in some way, you are not able to buy everything you hear and like, well not for me, if I did it will ruin me. So Centranlien, you should buy the music in the shops, it is also possible to hear the music before you buy it, maybe some of the net-shops should put some longer samples on the net, so you can get a better view of the track, and not just the lift-off, or most preffered part of the track. Hope you understand me.. Bom Shankar from Quark- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest .:::EP Posted February 8, 2003 Share Posted February 8, 2003 I agree Quark but in order to put longer (and better quality) samples it will take a huge amoun6t of server space. When people bitch about the shops do not have longer and better samples they tend to forget how much server space audio need. Imagine 1000 samples of 3-4 mins in 128mhz quality... The calculation goes something ike this (of course not totally exact): 1000 x 1.5 MB = 1500 MB So you see it very fast become a huge hige server and we all know how much that cost and how hard it is to find huge servers like that! Anyway I still claim that a 2 minute sample is more than enough to make up your mind before you buy !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quark Posted February 8, 2003 Share Posted February 8, 2003 Ofcourse a 2 minutes sample is enough to get a excellent view of the track. But I prefer Psyhop.com, because they have the pay cash on delivery solution. And the samples from Psyshop is only 45 sec's. But I do know they have alot of samples, and that is nice too. And I am glad that they put samples on the net, the alternative would be that you would have to look at the tracklist or read the information/help and then you would have to try your luck and buy the record without knowing the quality. And BTW I have written an e-mail to Psyshop.com about some records which are out of stock, and when they are going to have them restocked. But I did not get any answer. Any who might know, which adress I shall write to before I get any answer from them, about those records..??? Pls help me.. Bom Shankar from Quark- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dr. Krelm Posted February 8, 2003 Share Posted February 8, 2003 To Quark: Psyshop is horrible about answering emails. The two times I have gotten responses from them, they have been short (once with a single word, and the other time with a single sentence) and with no useful information. Once I even had a question about payment and they would not even answer my question. I was asking them a rather simple question regarding my credit card, and I was going to spend a lot of money on a purchase there had they answered, but they didn't even bother to answer at all. So, I just spent the money at Saikosounds. Maybe the person who answers emails speaks bad too english (I am still a few months away from being to write well in German:)), or maybe they just don't have any sort of customer service department, or just don't care. Long story short, don't hold your breath for them to get back to you. But on the good side, their prices are cheap, their shipping is super-fast, and they almost always get their orders right. So they are still a decent place to buy from in my book as long as you don't have to deal with their customer service. Oh, and FWIW, I think the 45-sec samples on psyshop are too short, but the 2.5 min samples on saikosounds (even in low-quality realaudio) are definitely enough for me to decide if I want to buy or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest psyXS Posted February 8, 2003 Share Posted February 8, 2003 well im think you are so right is just that mp3 trading piss me off i know a motherfucker who sells all the newest realases 2 dollars each and i have tu buy it et 12 dollars. so no hard feelings with anybody. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest nikos devic Posted February 8, 2003 Share Posted February 8, 2003 Guys i think you should chill a little bit with the mp3 trade shit... First of all what is this about it being illegal ? I would understand if u said immoral but illegal ?? Come on , drugs are also illegal but most of u (sorry to those on which this doesn't apply) use drugs very often , almost all use weed which is also illegal... Secondly , if u believe u will make money out of psychedelic music , then i think u have things confused in your mind ... artists of all people are the ones who really get something out of mp3s.. think of it , people who wouldn't buy your cd now listen to it and if many people like it you get more chances of playing at parties (at least u travel free )... On top of that , there has always been pirating in our scene , i could say a lot more than in any other scene , even before mp3 .. Dat trading and then MD (which was availlable to a lot more people since it was cheaper) and then CDR (as it became cheap and widelly availlable) have always been a very big part of the scene , the same people now dl mp3 - they wouldn't buy it anyway... Finally i'd like to say this.. the people who lose most of all are the people who run the labels.. the first time i saw our first release on the net i was kind of pissed for a moment and then i said to myself , what the fuck , there is nothing u can do , mp3 is here to stay , hopefully some people will like it and will buy it so they get the better sound and enjoy their music more... And this is exactly what people should understand if u really like something give some money to the people who made it availlable to u , this way they will release more... nikos / devic craft cordi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ass a lla Posted February 9, 2003 Share Posted February 9, 2003 eyy he wants a new mp3 site no a fucking discuss of mp3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest aricz Posted February 9, 2003 Share Posted February 9, 2003 nikos devic, very good post! just too bad some people still fails to see the big picture of the mp3-scene. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jaimz Posted February 10, 2003 Share Posted February 10, 2003 Big picture? I think you are missing the big picture, Aricz. You people seem to see only what you want to see, and are missing the obvious truth. Nikos, your post is so ignorant and distorted that I don't really know where to start. One, claiming that it's ok to trade MP3s even though they're illegal because we do drugs even though it's illegal is a seriously far-fetched analogy. Because we do drugs, is it ok to shoot people? Is it ok to rob a bank? I mean, we have laws to protect people. Most of us who do drugs break the law because we feel no-one is being harmed. However, personally I feel that trading MP3s -does- harm people, which is why it's illegal. Two, find me one artist who makes psychedelic trance professionally and is happy with their tunes being released on MP3. If you seriously think that they are happy with it then you've created quite a deluded world for yourself. I've met many people who working with psytrance for their living - store owners, label managers, and international artists, and all of them know that MP3s are a threat to their lively hood. Third, comparing trading MP3s to DAT and CD-R trading is a completely different matter. For a start, none of the people making a living from psytrance were ever too happy with the unreleased circuit. Music was traded for specific reasons, usually for promotion. MP3s are far worse, tho, because it doesn't require physical contact. It doesn't require any involvement in the scene, and it's the common consumer who is downloading instead of buying. In a perfect world, MP3s could be used by up and coming artists and labels to establish themselves, and then they would no longer need to provide MP3s and people would buy their music. But it's not a perfect world and you seem to be completely missing the point and ignoring the people who are really being damaged by MP3 trading. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest .:::EP Posted February 10, 2003 Share Posted February 10, 2003 i could not agree more jaimz... But it's obvious that whatever we say or do we wont be able to convince 99% of the people and make them see that what they are doing is wrong. Sadly they refuse to see it from the artists, labels and distributors point of view......And call us sell-out's and fake artists...... After all no one is catching them with the hands down the cookie jar...yet !!!! I have never seen a more ignorant, and egocentric bunch of spoiled brats in my life... Maybee it''s just the generation gap that now show it's face as more and more teens get into this scene..... I am brought up to know wrong from right but it's obvious that very few of this scene's youngsters know right from wrong...... Or maybe they do and just don't give a damn...as long as they can get things for free..... Then why work hard and use your hard earned money to get it???? A very very sick attitude... !!!! yes I know that also older people trade and download mp3's but I can asure you that the majority are teenagers with kick ass internet connection, cool clothes, a car and a expensive computer ! I believe that mp3 has a purpose as a promotion tool but as the situation is today it's mostly used as a substitute for the real thing...a CD !! And yes I knwow some of you actually do buy the music. I am not after you for downlaoding mp3's.. I am after the big majority of pricks that never buy a CD because they can get the mp3's so easily !!! And for the DJ's that download mp3's and play it at parties...well they should get a good beating !!! They make money as DJ's and fuck over the artists, labels and distributors...way to go suckers !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest nikos devic Posted February 10, 2003 Share Posted February 10, 2003 Jaimz , do you know how to read english ? Did you see me saying anywhere that trading is ok ? Also on the 'illegal' sunbect , what i said was it is stupid to say "i don't dl mp3 because it'as illegal" , and i explained that it is more like "i don't dl because it's immoral"... An answer to one of the messages . Second md and cdr and dat was only for unreleased ? Where do you get your ideas man ? People were trading everything released also... MP3s are far worse, tho, because it doesn't require physical contact. It doesn't require any involvement in the scene yeah if you trade face to face you actually help the scene... There are more people trading but there are more people in the scene generally . if it wasn't for the net , all those people wouldn't know what psychedelic is.. Finally you should watch your language when u talk to me or anyone else in the forum... Nikos, your post is so ignorant and distorted you've created quite a deluded world for yourself. As should E 'old school' P I have never seen a more ignorant, and egocentric bunch of spoiled brats in my life I can asure you that the majority are teenagers with kick ass internet connection, cool clothes, a car and a expensive computer ! ...or students... i never said i'm happy with mp3 , i just said that there's a good side to it and in the end THERE IS NOTHING WE CAN DO ABOUT IT !! so stop bitching well they should get a good beating that's very democratic !! nikos devic craft cordings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HumanW@re Posted February 10, 2003 Share Posted February 10, 2003 Change the fucking title of this forum to... "Talk about BULLSHIT and More"... EYY BODY... TRY DOWNLOADING "KAZAA" and search psyche like skazi , infected , astrix or whoever you want.... and support all those greats psyche-musicians buying their discs, thats what i do or addme into your MSN and we can trade music..... i hope this doesn't bother someone ¬¬ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HumanW@re Posted February 10, 2003 Share Posted February 10, 2003 Change the fucking title of this forum to... "Talk about BULLSHIT and More"... EYY BODY... TRY DOWNLOADING "KAZAA" and search psyche like skazi , infected , astrix or whoever you want.... and support all those greats psyche-musicians buying their discs, thats what i do or addme into your MSN and we can trade music..... i hope this doesn't bother someone ¬¬ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest aricz Posted February 11, 2003 Share Posted February 11, 2003 Jaimz, would you care to explain the big picture to me and everyone else here? Since you obviosly seems to know the truth about how the mp3s are affecting this scene. Please go on, explain.... I still mean what i said in another thread. Try understanding this one. Most of us in this scene DOWNLOAD MP3S AND BUY ALBUMS. So place us in the middle. Now, to the extreme RIGHT we have those who DOWNLOAD MP3S ONLY. To the extreme LEFT we have those who BUY ALBUMS ONLY. where the flying FUCK do you think most people are? Correct, in the middle. The two extremes, lets forget about them, the LEFT side is a bunch of idealistic morons, the RIGHT side are a bunch of ignorant biatches who really don't give a fuck. Now we could discuss which of these sides has the most people. I would guess there are more people that DOWNLOAD ONLY than people who BUY ONLY. Anyhow, there are too few people on the extremes to really affect the scene majorly in a good or bad way. do we agree? (I'm reading through my post now, and i see, since this scene is so small the extremes will in fact affect us, still, i think this is a minor problem) So with the people in the MIDDLE where the most of us are in. Do we agree? We download mp3s, we buy albums. Here too we have different degrees of how much we download compared to how many albums we buy. This spot is were i think everything gets into balance. God damn this is hard to explain. For every album i download, for every album i share to other people, for every album i buy, for every album i let other people listen to, NEW PEOPLE WILL TAKE NOTICE OF THIS SCENE. I think i lost my point, to myself. I forgot what the hell i was supposed to explain. In the end it all balances out. I'll end it just here, to see how you people react to this post, if it has any significanse at all. (btw jaimz, this post was mainly meant for you, but others are welcome to give their oppinion).. for all i know this post is full of shit hehe, but i feel i have it figured out, seeing the big picture. just hard to explain. One question to you EP, do psytrance-artists earn more money now compared to lets say 1995 ? 1998 ? 2001 ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest .:::EP Posted February 11, 2003 Share Posted February 11, 2003 very easy to answer aricz.... way less than before !!! And sorry to bring the news to you... there are far more people only dowloading than the total of people only buying CD's and people downloading and buying CD's..... You will properly deny it but it's a fact.... I get way more e-mails today than ever before from many people around the world loving my new CD...Actually I have recieved around 500 e-mails the last 6 months but I have only sold a few hundred copies via online shops since there are trouble with the distibution that result in that my CD is delayed in the "real" shops... so explain to me where these people bought the CD? At least around 300 of them downloaded the CD and did not buy it... And I am 100% sure that 10 if not 100 time more people have downloaded my new CD and indeed all my other releases.. Now prove that I am wrong !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest r2d2 Posted February 11, 2003 Share Posted February 11, 2003 Hey EP this is little off topic. I've been looking for your new album but can't find it online in North America. Do you know if any North American online shops sell it? I heard the entire thing on your site and it really is a great chill out CD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest .:::EP Posted February 11, 2003 Share Posted February 11, 2003 Well that's another issue i am trying to resolve with the label that released the CD..They have done shit to promote it in USA... Hopefully they will get their act together and get it out in the virtual shops as well as the street shops in USA soon... If not I will do it myself...so yes it will arrive there as soon as possible. I just can't give you an exact date yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DEAD Posted February 11, 2003 Share Posted February 11, 2003 i have more psy mp3 than discs in fact i just have like 5 cds and the worst thing is that the cds are pirate (just 1 is original Spirallianz Blast Food) i have broadband JAJAJAJA complete albums no more than an hour... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DEAD Posted February 11, 2003 Share Posted February 11, 2003 i have more psy mp3 than discs in fact i just have like 5 cds and the worst thing is that the cds are pirate (just 1 is original Spirallianz Blast Food) i have broadband JAJAJAJA complete albums no more than an hour... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest telxos Posted February 11, 2003 Share Posted February 11, 2003 "I get way more e-mails today than ever before from many people around the world loving my new CD...Actually I have recieved around 500 e-mails the last 6 months" OHH waaaa waaaaa waaaaa people like your music. how terrible that must make you feel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest aricz Posted February 11, 2003 Share Posted February 11, 2003 i can't prove you wrong, obviously i don't know shit. anyhow, i found it weird that psytrance-acts today earn less money than they did 5 years ago. how come? the people who used to buy albums suddenly figured out they would download mp3s instead? what about all the new people coming to the scene? Or has the amount of fresh meat in this scene stagnated (uhm, not sure how to spell this word) ? And, you say there are more people DOWNLOADING ONLY than people (BUYING ONLY AND those who DOWNLOAD AND BUY ONLY) together? I find that very weird too, do you have anything to verify this "fact" ? Myself, i thought i was with the major part of this scene, those who buy and download. Yep, i download more than i buy, then again, i've bought 100++ albums in 3-4 years. So, as far as i understand, this scene earns money on a bastard like me. I'm 100% there are lots of people like me lurking around in these forums, downloading more than they buy albums, STILL, we buy more albums compared to the regular music-fan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest .:::EP Posted February 11, 2003 Share Posted February 11, 2003 well the majority of newcommers found the music via ftp's and other illegal servers and do you realy think they will buy the music? no way my friend... yes some wil but come on if you do not see the problem in that around 80% download way more than they buy then I feel sad for you... Yes some buy like you do buy music but the majority download and do not buy the music at all. It's easier to download than go to a shop and it's cheap !!! Anyway i don't really bother to go on in this endless discussion..Nothing I say or do will convince you that it's a problem.... Even if I showed you evidence that it's a huge problem you people would just come up with some new lame excuse to justify people's stealing.. End of story Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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