Guest Daniel Posted February 17, 2003 Share Posted February 17, 2003 Ok I'm a little confused, help me out please. Lets define the psy-trance styles here (I know there is a "What Is Goa" section that covers this but I want YOUR definetions or descriptions....) Correct me if I'm wrong...or add to... MINIMAL: Basically is comprised of beats and psy-effects, VERY little if any melodies. MORNING: This is basically like minimal (with the beats and psy-effects) but with plenty of melodies and more moody sounds. AMBIENT: Chill, slower music focusing heavily on psy-effects and moody atmospheric melodies that fade in at out. PROGRESSIVE: ??? ^^^ What the hell is progressive psy-trance? I really don't understand....can someone describe the style...I've been reading a lot about artists coming out with progressive styled albums but I'm not sure how to describe the style. Help... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quark Posted February 17, 2003 Share Posted February 17, 2003 I think that prog. is the harder part of psy-trance. Sometimes with melodies sometimes not. But you can hear it with the hard kicks, and the bass which makes you drool... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest konysus Posted February 17, 2003 Share Posted February 17, 2003 that song by s range called 'morning star' is very progressive...........and its amazing-one of my favourites!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest kadafi Posted February 17, 2003 Share Posted February 17, 2003 Daniel... don't bother your head with these irrelevant questions... anyway, there is no answer, only psytrance... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest llazi Posted February 17, 2003 Share Posted February 17, 2003 For me minimal, tech and morning (wich is not a style as far as I know) are part of progressive. I see progressive in the psy scene the same way you would define progressive in the Techno or House scene. Progressive as the word tells means that the track has a kind of progression throug out the track Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Quazzi Posted February 17, 2003 Share Posted February 17, 2003 I'm all the way with kadafi. Anyway, i think it easier to describe it by giving examples. I'm going to give names and albuns that in my opinion perfectly fit in the genres: Minimal(wich in my opinion can be also refered as Tecno-trance or Psy-techno): -Wizzy Noise - Both albuns -X-dream - Irritant album Morning (i think you're refering to morning trance): -Astral Projection - In the mix (sunrise cd) Ambient: - Numina - All albuns (check this link to listen to some of the most beautifull melodies ever made: www.mp3.com/numina) Progressive: Etnica - Chrome :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest basi Posted February 17, 2003 Share Posted February 17, 2003 I would never call Wizzy Noise 'minimal'... this is why music is fun to talk about Daniel: don't get too concerned with categories.. no sense building walls in your mind Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Daniel Posted February 17, 2003 Share Posted February 17, 2003 I was just wonderin' jeez..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest --==1400MiLeS==-- Posted February 17, 2003 Share Posted February 17, 2003 Don't forget Full-on, the only true GOA successor...hahaha let the flaming begin... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest konysus Posted February 17, 2003 Share Posted February 17, 2003 morning music i always associate with that amazing sound of music playing at parties on the beach when the sun comes up tripping on acid and you feel the music perfectly matches your feeling (which, come to think of it, is because the music puts you in tha mood!) but i get that feeling from different sorts of psy trance so i guess they cann ot all be clasified in a seperatre catagory of morning trance... but morning trance definitley has a nice conotation to it! ;o) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest mindbender Posted February 17, 2003 Share Posted February 17, 2003 Kadafi is right... Everyone will have a different answer to this question. But even if it irrelevant, this is how I feel: Firstly, all of these are descriptive terms, NOT categories. Just as well as saying progressive psytrance with a tech-house edge to it, I could say (about a different piece) melodic funky fluoro rainbow trance or bland "I have nothing to say" -trance. So you can use many of the these descriptions even for one track. -Goa: To use or to not to use? Some people refer with this to really old school psy, others use it for psy in general. I use both meanings of the term, but more often related to the very melodic sound of mid-90's, eg. Astral Projection, old Shakta, old Doof, etc... -Melodic: Well, the name says it, no? But not everything with a melody is really melodic. If the melodies are "in your face" it's melodic, if they are ONLY subtle I rather call it progressive. However, much melodic stuff has phases without melodies and with subtle melodies. Examples: Hallucinogen, Infected Mushroom, Cosmosis. -Full On: Can be melodic, minimal, progressive, whatever. It's the hardness of the sound that matters, especially the very typical rhythm section with loads of drums making a very powerful driving force. Parties tend to be this style (unfortunately often and exclusively), whether there's melodies on top or not. Examples: GMS, Alien Project, Wizzy Noise, Talamasca. -Minimal: Repetetive monotrack. Not much happening, but a great emphasis on sound (well, that really applies to all psy). No or almost no melodies. After listening to enough psy you might start hearing things that are not there. But still, I feel the description "minimal" is out of place in psy and in most cases I use progressive instead. After all, a lot of melodic stuff is more minimal than what people call minimal. And if you compare to other music styles, eg. techno, what they call minimal is usually very minimal compared to what psyheads call minimal. So I spare the word to few cases, like most of the Digital Structures releases, eg. Son Kite, Shaman etc... -Progressive: Basically like minimal, but just not minimal. What I mean is that there are loads of sounds, many subtle developments or even greater leaps forward in the track, more complex beats and generally more elements, even some subtle melodies. I think most releases these days are progressive. Examples: Atmos, Tromesa, Tarsis, Vaishiyas, S>Range, Haldolium. -Morning: The sound you love when the sun comes up in a outdoor party and ends a night of harder banging. To me, morning definetly means melodic, but can be subtle too. Anyway, it requires softness, more space, uplifting vibes and happiness or good emotions in general. I'll give example tracks: Hallucinogen - Shamanix; Xerox & Freeman - Are we happy?; Huopatossu Mononen - Always New; Voodoo People - Drop the Bomb; Zorba feat. Chicago - The Rush or albums like Logic Bomb - Unlimited and Doof - Let's Turn On. -Tech-trance: Technoish, but otherwise quite like progressive or minimal (and I think will usually fit happily into those categories too). Just the beats are really different. And more of shorter (4-8 bar) loops (compared to trance 16-64 bar loops). Generally a harder sound, but it doesn't have to be so. Examples: Spirallianz/Midimiliz, Authentik, new Delta, Source Unknown. But after going through all these, I think I've left out stuff like psy-house (eg. Kamaflage comp), Finnish psy and other less common "styles". But in the end, I wouldn't start explaining what I think as fluro-funkster-psy either, so I'll leave this already long description of adjectives there... Lauri Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Daniel Posted February 18, 2003 Share Posted February 18, 2003 Thank You very much mindbender (Lauri) for all that typing....very much apprectiated.... I was listening to Vibrasphere - Lime Structure samples at Saiko Sounds and what came to my mind was the progressive sound....am I correct? It was a sound I never heard....I liked it a lot too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ivan Posted February 18, 2003 Share Posted February 18, 2003 what about: Progressive: It means as said before, that the music is not a "story" but a progression of sequences that tend to build up to a climax, so it may be goa, psy, tech etc... more and more artists ar moving into the progressive style due to its "trance" effectiveness. Some music like Infected Mushroom and other old goa, is not progressive, but its more like a story, or more "in your face". Goa: basically the same as melodic, it means that goa is melodic trance. Pleiadians, astral P, shakta, etc.... Psy: well, i do think there is a psytrance sound, that is more like the new sound of trance, like miraculix and others, it has some subtle (not always) and electric melodies, with lots of samples and breackbeats, most of the fullon 3d vision like music sounds like the psytrance sound to me.... Minimal: yes, there is a minimal sound, that reminds the scando sound, its an enormus bass line and kick with some crispy sounds that tend to hypnotise the crowd, it s very progressive and percussive: noma, beatbizarre, reefer decree etcc.... Techtrance: Its progressive, and its just like the techno sounds, it means, very repetitive and hypnotic, sort of industrial, and names like new xdream, wizzynoise, midimilis, etc... comes up-... Morning trance: sometimes its goa, some times its minimal, some times its technoish, but its allways deep, and very emotive, and it varies depending on the time, some poeple call morning trance from 6 am till 12 pm. but if u ask me, it seems that its moving more into the E mood ; ) I think its ok to label the music in order to descibe some moments or thoughts etc... but if u r an open person, labels wont make any difference, cuz u will like lots of styles and moments.......ok, who ask me? peace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quark Posted February 18, 2003 Share Posted February 18, 2003 A great morning track : Reefer Decree - Curved Air Bom Shankar Quark- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest mindbender Posted February 19, 2003 Share Posted February 19, 2003 My problem with progressive is that I don't really see the difference between a story and a progression. In a way I *feel* that the name came up from when goa evolved into progressive, thus progressing... But it hasn't been progressing much in years. Anyway, I don't know if that has anything to do with the way it was in fact labelled. I mean, minimal tracks often progress a lot compared to the amount of stuff they have at any particular... But maybe that would then just be progressive minimal? Yes, Daniel, I think Vibrasphere is progressive. I think I'll buy their new album this week. And BTW, just underlining the differences in opinion: I would not call Beat Bizarre or Reefer Decree minimal, but rather progressive. But that's just me. And I think all that I described or what is reviewed on this site (apart from chill-out) is psychedelic trance, just in it's various forms. And neither me or Ivan are right or wrong. BTW: A very good morning trance album: Spectral - Diffuse Anyway, better not getting stuck with the labelling. It's all music, that's all that matters, though it is nice to be able to talk about it. Lauri Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ivan Posted February 19, 2003 Share Posted February 19, 2003 yeah curved air is one hell of a morning tune, and it really amaze me how it really sounds like curved air on big pa, cosma did some great understanding of the morning mood am i right? and cant forget maimai. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otto Matta Posted February 19, 2003 Share Posted February 19, 2003 I don't think "progressive" has anything to do with the way a track progresses. If so, then almost all goa/psy would be considered progressive, because it has always been about building and progressing, climaxing, fading, then climaxing. Personally, I think of the term "progressive" as regards trance like I think of "progressive rock," which is simply another term for "new rock" or "experimental rock" or "modern rock." In this case, the word "progressive" would mean a "progress" in the genre, something new and different. It "progresses" the genre. In this case, however, we'll all disagree as to whether "progressive" trance is progressing the genre at all. If anything, it has taken the genre in a new direction, perhaps up to some, perhaps down to others, but definitely somewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jeff Posted February 19, 2003 Share Posted February 19, 2003 I second Epic Automata on this one. Pretty good summary. J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest lespagnol Posted February 19, 2003 Share Posted February 19, 2003 I totally agree with Ivan and mindbender .For me the best progressive artists are the german crew .People like tarsis vibrasphre funf d ,listen to the new compil OV silence from hamburg I guess that is a real progressive compilation.Otherwise the song das signal - funf D is one of my favourite progressive track. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dm Posted February 20, 2003 Share Posted February 20, 2003 progressive: astrix, alien project Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest depo Posted February 24, 2003 Share Posted February 24, 2003 progressive=moving forward (progress)... either metaphorically (new style) or literally (progress and build of a track)... anything else is marketing hype Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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