waveshapist Posted July 13, 2008 Share Posted July 13, 2008 (edited) I keep having this vision of music, something I really see and want. And... This track is not it at all. At the same time, this track is everything I am trying to accomplish. I really fucked this one up big-time. Somebody requested a bit more sub bass in my trax, I actually went a slight bit overboard here, I created a really super distorted piece of sound for bass, actually 2 of them.. And I really went looking for this tribal beat, which, doesn't happen at all in the very least on this track. I declare this track, "a superfailure," and at the same time, I am so proud I have an ability to continually fall flat on my face with music. To me, there is a lot of shining experimentation here, with mixing ideas, with production work flow, definitely with sound, cause most of the wave forms in this song are not exactly what one would expect. Although it may sound like a saw, or a sq, its not. And I love that. I love really going into my small collection of software, and being able to advance on with it to some new level. There is plenty of stuff in the track far beyond our ability to hear, there is also lots of stuff in this mix, that makes it look extremely young and dirty. That distorted bass, boderline muddy, maybe even too powerful ( loud ). I don't think the kik is all that great... What I love in this track, is totally its vibe. Maybe that is enough for dance. For modern music? I don't know. The way the sounds come and flow in this track really makes me think, wow, this is totally the feeling I wish to capture. And the way I fucked up this track, I know, it is 100% off the mark. Not what I want. Everything is a mess! A poor mix, master, so flawed in its quality and production, and it only seems to capture some sort of faded and incorrect idea.... The kind you can remember, like a dream you had, that was very upsetting, and you want to forget so much. http://soundwolf.net/sites/default/files/0...z%20mix%202.mp3 Edited, new link, different mix... :-) I guess it is not really something " finished " enough to share. I guess it is really just a vision of where I want to go. I guess I didn't quite get there this time. Edited July 13, 2008 by waveshapist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waveshapist Posted July 13, 2008 Author Share Posted July 13, 2008 Hi :clapping: -------------- ( edit ) New video, coming in 24 hours or less.... I am sorry for the inconvenience.... Ok, :-) Turn your lights all the way out. Turn your volume all the way up. And full screen my quartz video that I did for my new track. cheers :clapping: ---------------------- I make sure to add second post so earlier people have chance to see... :-) Please turn off light in your room, watch at loud volume in dark. I am getting OK at quartz comp now... Still very hard to make certain graphics, but this happy light blue vid... cheers PS... plz remember, if you like the track, it is always better to download the 320 from my website, as youtube highly compress music, and you loose very important harmonix... my 320 link in first post. Thank you... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caffein:me Posted July 13, 2008 Share Posted July 13, 2008 Now, I couldn't concentrate on the music. There is a small tinitus-like sound throughout the whole track especially in the first 2 minutes. I have sensitive ears, and because of that small sound i couldn't concentrate on the track at all. And i couldn't even listen to the whole track as it gave me headache. perhaps it's me, but listen carefully and you might hear it as well. Sorry to put it this way - your music is great, but i couldn't listen to that track, could it be that youtube-compressing the track made it sound this way. i've checked with both the speakers and my headphones, the sound is still there, just more clear with the headphones on. about the sound it's more hearable in the start and in the end it's allmost not there, still but not really Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzzman Posted July 13, 2008 Share Posted July 13, 2008 Now, I couldn't concentrate on the music. There is a small tinitus-like sound throughout the whole track especially in the first 2 minutes. I have sensitive ears, and because of that small sound i couldn't concentrate on the track at all. And i couldn't even listen to the whole track as it gave me headache. perhaps it's me, but listen carefully and you might hear it as well. Sorry to put it this way - your music is great, but i couldn't listen to that track, could it be that youtube-compressing the track made it sound this way. i've checked with both the speakers and my headphones, the sound is still there, just more clear with the headphones on. about the sound it's more hearable in the start and in the end it's allmost not there, still but not really +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waveshapist Posted July 13, 2008 Author Share Posted July 13, 2008 interesting. hmmm. I've been experimenting with extraordinarily high pitch frequencies. I must have made an improper math calculation. Didn't bother me... but unfortunately when we mix a track our ears can sometimes get a little tired. anyways, it is always nice to have a second ear. Let me, um. go figure out exactly why that number isn't working and make a second render. Unless I made a typo, you really shouldn't be able to hear that. Scientifically, etc... Even if you have perfect hearing, it is supposed to stop at 20,000 hertz, so I don't know exactly what I did wrong... I need to go cut another wavetable though... what a pita... anyways, thanks for the feedback, I'll post a second mix... I much appreciate. Now, your sure its the super high resonance sound? Its not the other sort of sound designs? There is a killer amount of res and distortion in this track. I might have overdone it a bit here... arrg, let me go cut a new single cycle table and render this again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waveshapist Posted July 13, 2008 Author Share Posted July 13, 2008 Now, I couldn't concentrate on the music. There is a small tinitus-like sound throughout the whole track especially in the first 2 minutes. I have sensitive ears, and because of that small sound i couldn't concentrate on the track at all. You have incredible ears!! Try this fresh new mix.... http://soundwolf.net/sites/default/files/0...z%20mix%202.mp3 I was experimenting with, or I am experimenting with certain psychoacoustic phenomena.... Instead of entirely wacky explanation.. Mostly computer bug, software developers, they are not thinking that you want a frequency at 31 thousand hertz, so the vst decides on its own... 19 thousand hertz... I have to learn max/msp I think. Because max is a little more correct with the tone generation and single cycle sample playback/response than cakewalk/virsyn stuff....... I was planning on learning max... I don't know. It is a very difficult program, and once I start, I will go through a whole new learning curve period. But, unfortunately I think it might be the only way to get the computer to do what I want.... Especially, because that tone should not have been there!! I didn't catch it really yesterday, cause I probably spent a few hours mixing the track. I should have looked with a Spec Analyzer... I just assumed 31 thousand, cause that is what the computer screen said. Actually, it was about 19.100 and it was multi-plied to probably - 10 db... arrg, it is another reason to seriously consider max... Thank you for the second ear, and the kind words. Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caffein:me Posted July 13, 2008 Share Posted July 13, 2008 You have incredible ears!! Try this fresh new mix.... http://soundwolf.net/sites/default/files/0...z%20mix%202.mp3 I was experimenting with, or I am experimenting with certain psychoacoustic phenomena.... Instead of entirely wacky explanation.. Mostly computer bug, software developers, they are not thinking that you want a frequency at 31 thousand hertz, so the vst decides on its own... 19 thousand hertz... I have to learn max/msp I think. Because max is a little more correct with the tone generation and single cycle sample playback/response than cakewalk/virsyn stuff....... I was planning on learning max... I don't know. It is a very difficult program, and once I start, I will go through a whole new learning curve period. But, unfortunately I think it might be the only way to get the computer to do what I want.... Especially, because that tone should not have been there!! I didn't catch it really yesterday, cause I probably spent a few hours mixing the track. I should have looked with a Spec Analyzer... I just assumed 31 thousand, cause that is what the computer screen said. Actually, it was about 19.100 and it was multi-plied to probably - 10 db... arrg, it is another reason to seriously consider max... Thank you for the second ear, and the kind words. Cheers glad to be of help Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzzman Posted July 14, 2008 Share Posted July 14, 2008 interesting. hmmm. I've been experimenting with extraordinarily high pitch frequencies. I must have made an improper math calculation. Didn't bother me... but unfortunately when we mix a track our ears can sometimes get a little tired. anyways, it is always nice to have a second ear. Let me, um. go figure out exactly why that number isn't working and make a second render. Unless I made a typo, you really shouldn't be able to hear that. Scientifically, etc... Even if you have perfect hearing, it is supposed to stop at 20,000 hertz, so I don't know exactly what I did wrong... I need to go cut another wavetable though... what a pita... anyways, thanks for the feedback, I'll post a second mix... I much appreciate. Now, your sure its the super high resonance sound? Its not the other sort of sound designs? There is a killer amount of res and distortion in this track. I might have overdone it a bit here... arrg, let me go cut a new single cycle table and render this again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzzman Posted July 14, 2008 Share Posted July 14, 2008 interesting. hmmm. I've been experimenting with extraordinarily high pitch frequencies. I must have made an improper math calculation. Didn't bother me... but unfortunately when we mix a track our ears can sometimes get a little tired. anyways, it is always nice to have a second ear. Let me, um. go figure out exactly why that number isn't working and make a second render. Unless I made a typo, you really shouldn't be able to hear that. Scientifically, etc... Even if you have perfect hearing, it is supposed to stop at 20,000 hertz, so I don't know exactly what I did wrong... I need to go cut another wavetable though... what a pita... anyways, thanks for the feedback, I'll post a second mix... I much appreciate. Now, your sure its the super high resonance sound? Its not the other sort of sound designs? There is a killer amount of res and distortion in this track. I might have overdone it a bit here... arrg, let me go cut a new single cycle table and render this again. Why don't you just use your ears insteed of the math calculation? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEMO.BOFH Posted July 14, 2008 Share Posted July 14, 2008 You do not need great ears to hear that sound, it is very annoying. As for the trek? Not my style Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waveshapist Posted July 14, 2008 Author Share Posted July 14, 2008 Why don't you just use your ears insteed of the math calculation? I did use my ears how do you think I made the track? But how do you think you add sinusoids together to create single cycle waveforms? Partials, polynomials, and phase shifted formants... ? Do you know how a saw wave is made? By adding partials together... Think, " building blocks of sound design " and then you can understand the mistake I made in the mix... I made a very simply mistake, working with a fundamental, that was supposed to sit, far beyond the range of human hearing. But, of course I used my ears to make the track. There isn't a preset anywhere. not in the synths, not on the compressors, not on anything. imho, I am using my ears all the time!! :-) cheers mate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waveshapist Posted July 14, 2008 Author Share Posted July 14, 2008 You do not need great ears to hear that sound, it is very annoying. As for the trek? Not my style Are you sure? Are you very sure? Because I very quickly changed the mix, the tracks, and the links, and the sound that Caffein:me is talking about, is no longer present in the links above. So, be slightly more careful. And read the whole thread. And also we are happy to not be your style. Cheers Mate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzzman Posted July 14, 2008 Share Posted July 14, 2008 I did use my ears how do you think I made the track? But how do you think you add sinusoids together to create single cycle waveforms? Partials, polynomials, and phase shifted formants... ? Do you know how a saw wave is made? By adding partials together... Think, " building blocks of sound design " and then you can understand the mistake I made in the mix... I made a very simply mistake, working with a fundamental, that was supposed to sit, far beyond the range of human hearing. But, of course I used my ears to make the track. There isn't a preset anywhere. not in the synths, not on the compressors, not on anything. imho, I am using my ears all the time!! :-) cheers mate Seriously, i do not have a clue what your talking about? You can use all the fancy words you want, id doesn't really matter when the result is like this... and i don't know HOW a saw is made, francly i DON'T CARE, since i use synthesizers that make the saw wave for me Maybe stop thinking so... Theoretically and start experimenting (concentrating) on building your track and use the wave forms in your synthesizers insteed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waveshapist Posted July 14, 2008 Author Share Posted July 14, 2008 Buzzman, I am making my music, you are making yours. It isn't a competition to me. I don't have a desire to be anybody. I am just a guy who loves music, and math. I like to make my own waveforms. Actually, what I am doing is highly experimental. But, unfortunately I can't argue about it, or even explain it. Cause, it would take your willingness, to be open minded enough to understand, that music can be made any way the artist wants. Live and let live mate. I am sharing my music, I am not asking anybody to like, listen to, or praise. If I find a few people who understand, laugh and smile with, because of what I am doing.... Thats enough for me. Cheers ok? cheers mate! :mellow: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin OOOD Posted July 14, 2008 Share Posted July 14, 2008 http://soundwolf.net/sites/default/files/0...z%20mix%202.mp3 Mostly computer bug, software developers, they are not thinking that you want a frequency at 31 thousand hertz, so the vst decides on its own... 19 thousand hertz... I have to learn max/msp I think. Because max is a little more correct with the tone generation and single cycle sample playback/response than cakewalk/virsyn stuff....... max... might be the only way to get the computer to do what I want.... Especially, because that tone should not have been there!! I didn't catch it really yesterday, cause I probably spent a few hours mixing the track. I should have looked with a Spec Analyzer... I just assumed 31 thousand, cause that is what the computer screen said. Actually, it was about 19.100 and it was multi-plied to probably - 10 db... Interesting track, I like its experimental nature. However even MAX won't let you use frequencies above 20KHz in CD-quality audio or MP3s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waveshapist Posted July 14, 2008 Author Share Posted July 14, 2008 Interesting track, I like its experimental nature. However even MAX won't let you use frequencies above 20KHz in CD-quality audio or MP3s Thanks Mate. I'm afraid I was not aware of that. I have to go have a think. I appreciate the information. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzzman Posted July 14, 2008 Share Posted July 14, 2008 Buzzman, I am making my music, you are making yours. It isn't a competition to me. I don't have a desire to be anybody. I am just a guy who loves music, and math. I like to make my own waveforms. Actually, what I am doing is highly experimental. But, unfortunately I can't argue about it, or even explain it. Cause, it would take your willingness, to be open minded enough to understand, that music can be made any way the artist wants. Live and let live mate. I am sharing my music, I am not asking anybody to like, listen to, or praise. If I find a few people who understand, laugh and smile with, because of what I am doing.... Thats enough for me. Cheers ok? cheers mate! :mellow: Sorry if i offended you, was just trying to give you some feedback.. You know, the peoples oppinion.... Nevermind Cheers dude Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waveshapist Posted July 14, 2008 Author Share Posted July 14, 2008 Sorry if i offended you, was just trying to give you some feedback.. You know, the peoples oppinion.... Nevermind Cheers dude Relax, smile, boom, the music just changed... My name is Jonathan. Thank you for the feedback. Lets go somewhere. Did we? No? I am sorry. Maybe next time... Cheers Mate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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