johnb820 Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 Thanks Jisnegro, for the link. I have no words for this track. I listened to first minute of it, then deleted it from my Mac. Ouch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
technosomy Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 dam! 27 pages of nothing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sideffect... Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 The player is not working, shiva's india was the latest track that 1200mic's released that was a bit ok. Just raja ram shouting annoyed me huge, but the baseline and the climax were doing ok... So this remix will be completely fullon I guess And indeed, it is, if this is the new astral projection, they can forget it, in my playlist. They added some astral sounds, put a different wave at the end and reformed the shiva sample (it's a rmx offcourse) but still Laaaaaaame!! I was hoping for something else Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Procyon Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 Sorry for saying this, but I think they should not release this album at all and call it quits. They are far past their prime, and are doing mediocre work. They're becoming the Rolling Stones of goa trance scene: should have retired some 15 years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Templar Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 I apologize for being brutal, but waiting for an AP album = expecting a person to recover from Down's syndrome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotwang Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 I apologize for being brutal, but waiting for an AP album = expecting a person to recover from Down's syndrome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Procyon Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 I apologize for being brutal, but waiting for an AP album = expecting a person to recover from Down's syndrome. As I have a cousin with DS, I feel I have to say that I don't see why a DS person has to "recover". They are people who has the most sincere affection, they are laid-back, always wanting to help, they are soft souls, and certainly they have a lot to teach us about tolerance. That said, I hope you visit an orphanage where you certainly will find DS children, this will make you think twice who are the ones who need "recovery". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotwang Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 As I have a cousin with DS, I feel I have to say that I don't see why a DS person has to "recover". Templar obviously wasn't suggesting any such thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Procyon Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 Templar obviously wasn't suggesting any such thing. So, please cast some light on my lack of understanding: what did he suggest then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotwang Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 So, please cast some light on my lack of understanding: what did he suggest then? He suggested that waiting for the popular trance band "Astral Projection" to release a new album is akin to waiting for a person who has Down's syndrome to stop having Down's syndrome in the manner that a person with a temporary illness such as the common cold might stop having that illness with the passage of time. The purpose of this comparison was to imply that Astral Projection will never release a new album, since Templar is both aware himself and also expects the intended readership of his post to be aware that Down's syndrome is not a temporary thing that people recover from in the manner that a person with a common cold might recover. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Templar Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 ^ Couldn't have explained it better. Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ion1zed Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 He suggested that waiting for the popular trance band "Astral Projection" to release a new album is akin to waiting for a person who has Down's syndrome to stop having Down's syndrome in the manner that a person with a temporary illness such as the common cold might stop having that illness with the passage of time. The purpose of this comparison was to imply that Astral Projection will never release a new album, since Templar is both aware himself and also expects the intended readership of his post to be aware that Down's syndrome is not a temporary thing that people recover from in the manner that a person with a common cold might recover. Gotta love your style. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Procyon Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 He suggested that waiting for the popular trance band "Astral Projection" to release a new album is akin to waiting for a person who has Down's syndrome to stop having Down's syndrome in the manner that a person with a temporary illness such as the common cold might stop having that illness with the passage of time. The purpose of this comparison was to imply that Astral Projection will never release a new album, since Templar is both aware himself and also expects the intended readership of his post to be aware that Down's syndrome is not a temporary thing that people recover from in the manner that a person with a common cold might recover. Yes, I understood that, what I wanted to say to him is that a person does not need to recover from DS, but one needs to recover from a cold. As you said. Using your example, a cold is a disease, while DS is not. So, he, unintentionally, called a DS person "sick", which I disagree and I am sure all of you do too. But, no offense taken, I just wanted to share with him how nice DS people are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotwang Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 Yes, I understood that, what I wanted to say to him is that a person does not need to recover from DS Where in either his post or mine was it implied otherwise? So, he, unintentionally, called a DS person "sick" No he didn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Procyon Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 Rotwang, you're right. Go in peace. You're a person I don't feel comfortable chatting with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sideffect... Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 It was a, sort of, matter of speech Procyon, Never take those literary No one meant anything negative or harm, that I'm 100 % sure off... Back on topic, maybe a positive note (one can try) -------------------------------------------------- I wast thinking for a new astral projection track, Since they are going 1200 mic's style... Maybe Astral projection - Coffee (1200 mic's rmx) With the sample by Raja ram The ether was wearing off. The acid was long gone. But the caffeine was running strong. Good caffeine comes on slow. First hour's all waiting, and then about halfway through second hour. You start cursing Oxfam who burned you because nothing's happening. And then... ZANG Come on now, LET'S ALL DRINK SOME COFFEEEEE!!! No? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Procyon Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 It was a, sort of, matter of speech Procyon, Never take those literary No one meant anything negative or harm, that I'm 100 % sure off... Just to close my argument about this: I am a volunteer at a hospital and one of the golden rules of the hospital for its personnel is never mention 'cure' or 'recovery' with conditions like a person with a missing arm, among ten other health or mental conditions. Down Syndrom among them. There's an association called APAE that invest millions of dóllars every year in campaings to make people aware that people with DS are perfectly ok to integrate with society, some businesses are even opening doors and hiring them. So I know the efforts to make people accept them as they are, for they won't change their health or mental status anytime. Templar comment may have been light, but as a volunteer I don't agree with the association of words 'expect' 'recovery' 'Down Syndrom' and idea behind them. To make things even clearer, his comment here in Brazil is considered offensive and would get him an expensive fine. And prison. This already has happened many times. My last words on this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sideffect... Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 Just to close my argument about this: I am a volunteer at a hospital and one of the golden rules of the hospital for its personnel is never mention 'cure' or 'recovery' with conditions like a person with a missing arm, among ten other health or mental conditions. Down Syndrom among them. There's an association called APAE that invest millions of dóllars every year in campaings to make people aware that people with DS are perfectly ok to integrate with society, some businesses are even opening doors and hiring them. So I know the efforts to make people accept them as they are, for they won't change their health or mental status anytime. Templar comment may have been light, but as a volunteer I don't agree with the association of words 'expect' 'recovery' 'Down Syndrom' and idea behind them. To make things even clearer, his comment here in Brazil is considered offensive and would get him an expensive fine. And prison. This already has happened many times. My last words on this. Well here are my last word, this is not Brazil, but an international forum, and you can't expect everybody to act at your standards! In my country a lot of comedians laugh with many diseases, or peoples shortcomings, and guess what. The people with those shortcomings laugh along with it. It's a way of handling it an putting it into perspective. And beside, you are not the only one who knows people that have a certain illness, short come etc, work with them, studied etc..... You should try to widen your parameters and see the bigger picture especially on an international forum, containing users with so many different cultures, habits etc.. If everybody would put his or hers at front as the ultimate way of perspective, we should have fights 24u/24u... Tolerance is the message, just in case... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Procyon Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 Well here are my last word, this is not Brazil, but an international forum, and you can't expect everybody to act at your standards! In my country a lot of comedians laugh with many diseases, or peoples shortcomings, and guess what. The people with those shortcomings laugh along with it. It's a way of handling it an putting it into perspective. And beside, you are not the only one who knows people that have a certain illness, short come etc... You should try to widen your parameters and see the bigger picture especially on an international forum, containing users with so many different cultures, habits etc.. If everybody would put his or hers at front as the ultimate way of perspective, we should have fights 24u/24u... Tolerance is the message, just in case... While you feel ok asking me to "widen my parameters", I ask you to wider yours too. Deal? The day you tell me that you take the effort of getting out of bet at 6:00 am once a week and spend the day in an orphanage or hospital as a volunteer, or any other kind of volunteer work related to helping disabled people, I will respect your opinion on this subject. Other than that, your words are empty of any sense or content to me, on this subject. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sideffect... Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 The day you tell me that you take the effort of getting out of bet at 6:00 am once a week and spend the day in an orphanage or hospital as a volunteer, or any other kind of volunteer work related to helping disabled people, I will respect your opinion on this subject. Ok, you are not reasonable at all, you don't even know what I have studied or do for a living, One day a week What about a full time job in health-care?? Overtime unpaid! Burn outs!! You don't know who I'am or others... I rest my case, I pity the fool who thinks that he invented hot water because he spends one day/week in a hospital, & starts judging others based on that... No more response, it's pointless and I shall have to be the bigger person that this is not going into a flame war, or whatever people call it, because that is even more pointless... Feel free to respond and judge, act like god as much as you want my dear Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Procyon Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 Alright, you are unreasonable to me too. Let me finish telling you that I don't believe that your work in the health-care system, at all. The day you prove it, then I will stop thinking this is a lie. I also rest my case, I too pity the fool that thinks that he knows what is to deal with disabled people, only from searching the net and typing what he wants on forums, & starts judging others based on that... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reger Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 I also rest my case, I too pity the fool that thinks that he knows what is to deal with disabled people, only from searching the net and typing what he wants on forums, & starts judging others based on that... Isnt it the case with how you judged Templar yourself? This paragraph of yours applies to you too. No offence, but you dont have to be professional to be able to talk about certain things. After all, I could as well say that youre n00b volunteer and Im gonna talk only with Nobel prize winners in genetics regarding genetic disorders and chromosomes. How about that? Or, perhaps, Id say that your opinion is useless when you speak about Astral Projections music while you dont have as many releases and gigs and money as they do? How about that, eh? When we get too emotional that tend to lead us to being overly self-righteous and thats what has happened here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Procyon Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 Isnt it the case with how you judged Templar yourself? This paragraph of yours applies to you too. No offence, but you dont have to be professional to be able to talk about certain things. After all, I could as well say that youre n00b volunteer and Im gonna talk only with Nobel prize winners in genetics regarding genetic disorders and chromosomes. How about that? Or, perhaps, Id say that your opinion is useless when you speak about Astral Projections music while you dont have as many releases and gigs and money as they do? How about that, eh? When we get too emotional that tend to lead us to being overly self-righteous and thats what has happened here. The AP aspect, I accept that: I have no reason to believe that my opinion is worth to other, as I am not an artist or have released anything. I may appreciate then, while the rest don't and I may be wrong. I may dislike their work now, while other consider it great. No big deal here. Reger, the same rule I mentioned to measure Sideffect - in this subject - serves you well too. So, I don't take your opinion seriously in this matter. Feel free to dismiss mine too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Padmapani Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 i've never worked in a hospital, don't doubt that people with ds are nice people, deserve the same respect as anyone else and i of course respect your opinion in this case, but as a molecular biologist, albeit far from nobel-prize-winning and in fact more unemployed, i fail to see why a condition, which has a 50% chance of giving you congenital heart disease in addition to reducing your life expectancy by 20 years, highly likely giving you gastrointestinal disorders and dramatically raising your chance of getting neurodegenerative diseases at early ages (among quite a few other things), can be classified as anything else than a disease. no offence ment, this is just my perfectly dismissible opinion The ether was wearing off. The acid was long gone. But the caffeine was running strong. Good caffeine comes on slow. First hour's all waiting, and then about halfway through second hour. You start cursing Oxfam who burned you because nothing's happening. And then... ZANG Come on now, LET'S ALL DRINK SOME COFFEEEEE!!! great! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Procyon Posted December 15, 2012 Share Posted December 15, 2012 i've never worked in a hospital, don't doubt that people with ds are nice people, deserve the same respect as anyone else and i of course respect your opinion in this case, but as a molecular biologist, albeit far from nobel-prize-winning and in fact more unemployed, i fail to see why a condition, which has a 50% chance of giving you congenital heart disease in addition to reducing your life expectancy by 20 years, highly likely giving you gastrointestinal disorders and dramatically raising your chance of getting neurodegenerative diseases at early ages (among quite a few other things), can be classified as anything else than a disease. no offence ment, this is just my perfectly dismissible opinion great! If you think you're right about this, then let it be. Uh, are you, by the way, a western medicine doctor, or an Ayuverdha? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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