Pandemonium! Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 Hello Everyone has their tastes its normal no point of fighting. My toughts as an artist : Its normal that the whole album sounds the same style because you´re just listening to one artist and also based on a theme (in this case "Muinomednap!") . I think that wasnt any point of producing a song , skipping next and then you hear something totally different that has nothing to do with the previous rest of the theme or project. Sounding similar is normal once again , look at Psygone album , Ra , Filteria , Miranda , Agneton , Cyan , Astrancer , Afgin etc .. imo they all sound excellent! i truly love their works , using the same sounds is part of their personal "signature" and thats what it defines each artists persona. Drama´s ? It´s past and its more than barried About saying the album sounds like "A Mad Scientists Night" , When "AMSN" was made , "Muinomednap!" was already done , i made "AMSN" as an predecessor to the album just to give an idea to of what was coming next (that´s why "AMSN" got released first , hence the idea of saying that "Muinomednap!" sounding similar to it) . In this case i guess its "AMSN" that sounds "similar" to "Muinomednap" but again it doesnt sound similar you´re just listening to the same artist or project in this case. So we just have one thing left. Tastes. And tastes are un-discussible so , personally i think the album has a lot of variation (kickdrums , and every song has something different) and i enjoyed and still enjoy it a lot , as so i know there are people that love it and who hate it , its just opinions but as i already know its impossible to please everyone . Then for the people that like this album , enjoy it! PS:- Even this topic turned out in a "Pandemonium!" .. what leaves me even happier because its causing its own effect Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frozen dream Posted September 3, 2008 Author Share Posted September 3, 2008 Hello Everyone has their tastes its normal no point of fighting. My toughts as an artist : Its normal that the whole album sounds the same style because you´re just listening to one artist and also based on a theme (in this case "Muinomednap!") . I think that wasnt any point of producing a song , skipping next and then you hear something totally different that has nothing to do with the previous rest of the theme or project. Sounding similar is normal once again , look at Psygone album , Ra , Filteria , Miranda , Agneton , Cyan , Astrancer , Afgin etc .. imo they all sound excellent! i truly love their works , using the same sounds is part of their personal "signature" and thats what it defines each artists persona. Drama´s ? It´s past and its more than barried About saying the album sounds like "A Mad Scientists Night" , When "AMSN" was made , "Muinomednap!" was already done , i made "AMSN" as an predecessor to the album just to give an idea to of what was coming next (that´s why "AMSN" got released first , hence the idea of saying that "Muinomednap!" sounding similar to it) . In this case i guess its "AMSN" that sounds "similar" to "Muinomednap" but again it doesnt sound similar you´re just listening to the same artist or project in this case. So we just have one thing left. Tastes. And tastes are un-discussible so , personally i think the album has a lot of variation (kickdrums , and every song has something different) and i enjoyed and still enjoy it a lot , as so i know there are people that love it and who hate it , its just opinions but as i already know its impossible to please everyone . Then for the people that like this album , enjoy it! PS:- Even this topic turned out in a "Pandemonium!" .. what leaves me even happier because its causing its own effect u used the same melody and same synthsounds in every track - that's a bad case of very bad taste Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sideffect... Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 u used the same melody and same synthsounds in every track - that's a bad case of very bad tasteyou really don't get it, some people like that, if you like a certain sound from an artist you can't get enough of it, it's mentioned before, psygone, cyan do the same and people love(d) their album, Ra did the same with his latest album, if you like the sound you like the artist, that's the case with 80% of all melodic artist from old skool until fullon from today, you have success formula and a success sound, typical with melodic trance... am I teaching goa now ? stryder, stop trying, you're only making it worse you failed goa class again, see you back end September Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malevol3nt Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 Oops looks like I've hit a sweet spot. I didn't like the album, and it's my own opinion. Nobody has to follow my opinion, I'm just expressing it. If you don't like it, ignore it. And digitoxin, try not to be so prejudice. Who are you to tell me I have bad sound equipment? Chill out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baloeba Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 To be honest I didn't like it too much either, I had high expectations but it sounded like goa full on, always the same structures indeed and screaming melodies that remind me too much of nitzhonot, no storytelling, no hidden melodies, perfect dance floor music... And there it ends, not for home listening imo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sideffect... Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 it's is nitzhonot, More close to nitzhonot then goatrance that's for sure... I can say it the most variated nithzonot album I ever heard since "the light of shidapu" Nitzhonot is not my genre too but compared to what has been released, this is pretty good stuff, lot's of goatrance influences, less trance minded... who that likes nitzhonot this album this album will do it big time, I've heard it once, and that will be enough, to much melodie, but good work... it'll do even better on the dancefloor, the mastering could be a bit better true, but old skool parties are filled with music mastered < 2000 so they won't notice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frozen dream Posted September 3, 2008 Author Share Posted September 3, 2008 rofl stryder you must have some very special ears that cant hear the difference between different melodies. Its just the scale that is the same, not the melodies. :drama: :drama: srsly rly fix earsss.. prblm slvd! hope you undrstnd whn i type in yur lgnguag :posford: what do those few differently placed notes change for you then? a lot? or is that the only significant difference in the tracks for you? good example is afgin's latest - heaven's tears - clearly all the elements are there and it reminds me strongly of from the heart in the beginning, but the end is totally original though so recognisable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fluffymushi Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 astral used the same sound for over 10yrs, when they changed it people suddenly started complaining. i dont see the problem here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sideffect... Posted September 4, 2008 Share Posted September 4, 2008 astral used the same sound for over 10yrs, when they changed it people suddenly started complaining. i dont see the problem here.+10 I my self is not the biggest fan of nitzho, but i like the goa elements in this album. :drama:+1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Cocco Posted September 13, 2008 Share Posted September 13, 2008 PANDEMONIUM! - MUINOMEDNAP! 2008 PHOTOTROPIC RECORDS Track list: 1. Once upon a Time... 2. Pandemonium! 3. Stuck in the Walls 4. Moon Fishing 5. Falling Stars 6. I Saw it interlude 7. Flying Cookie 8. Seq-uoia 9. Key to the Trunk 10. An Harlequin's Tale 11. The End... I've only gotten several albums this year (Opus Iridium, RA, Distant Systems, Goa Gate, and Juno Reactor, the latter on amazon MP3) because we've been getting raped lately with high gas prices and I've been getting more selective with what I buy. I've been looking forward to this album for a long time. 1. Once Upon A Time... is a surprisingly beautiful opening. It's magical. And it really sets the tone and the album up for a wonderful journey. If this was actually a full, uptempo dance song as developing and creative as the several minute 'Prologue' duration, it would probably be a pretty incredible dance number. At it stands, this is a musically wonderful, innovative introduction. B+ 2. Pandemonium! comes next and the first thing I notice is the loud, repeating guitar, as it appears to be placed pretty up close with the music. For the first minute or so I tolerated it. It's just a guitar on a part of the track I thought. But you know when you hear a sound and you can basically sense when it is time for that sound to leave? It doesn't happen. The guitar loops and loops, the strong continuously. I'm trying to get into all of the cool sounds and melodies but even when most layers disappear, the guitar is left with a beat and decent melody. The interlude here would have been a good area to let go of the guitar. But it doesn't leave. Then around 3:55, it's gone. Oh thank God. Suddenly it appears again around 4:33. And just when a really cool rising melody structure is taking place too. Virtually all other sounds work together nicely. Nonetheless, the first track was more infectious, novel, and gripping. C 3. Stuck In The Walls starts off with a similar heavy, repeating guitar from the very start. It appears to be the same sound from the previous track. I like the melodies and sounds. But the on-going guitar is distracting from the more elaborate work. And I just heard a guitar nearly non-stop in the previous number, so there needs to be a break here. Finally from 2:30 to 2:40 the track breathsand is free from this sound that has been holding down the essence of Goa (being free). The music sounds more mature and fluid without the guitar that returns after just 10 seconds. The guitar is -- it reminds me of a kid that keeps shaking the same toy in the middle of an orchestra I'm trying to enjoy. And I keep telling him to stop. And he won't. It's too much. A sound cannot compliment a song if it is so redundant in a way that's not positive. C+ 4. Moon Fishing is the first track that seems to have the guitar in the background, though it's present. I hardly notice it in the beginning 10 seconds and really enjoy the opening melodies. The samples are cool too, as they've been on previous songs. Thankfully, the melodies appear to be more accentuated than the guitar for the first time on the album, save for the wonderful opening. There are several good sounds producing melodies here. One is at 1:43. It's good. Another is a flute that gives the track a nice old school and/or organic feel. As the track progresses the guitar does not seem to leave. Fortunately it's more in the background. Though to some degree I'd probably enjoy the juicy sound textures and Goa influences more without the guitar. There are many cool and stylish moments, sound details and alterations, samples, and special effects here. This artist can get very playful at times, it it really shows here. This is a fun song. B 5. Falling Stars is one of the better AP-influenced Goa tracks I've heard since Astral Projection released their last album I considered excellent in 1999, that being Another World. The Goa work is so strong and present on this song that it all but drowns out the guitars. But why are the guitars here? This is one of the most beautiful tracks and the artist is killing it with a heavy, repeating guitar sound that I have heard in virtually all tracks by now. It's like taking the same noticeable sound and repeating it loud enough for everyone to hear throughout every track back to back. The guitar does not enhance this song. I want to hear it without the guitar. I want to hear the whole album without the guitar. And Goa music breaks people out of the square, the generic thinking pattern because of its generally non-linear structure and artist direction. And while this music is Goa influenced, not Goa only per say, the guitar keeps me in the square more than this artist's recent formulaic but creative and fun Goa Gate album surprisingly did. B+ 6. I Saw It Interlude is the first track since the opening without any guitar and just listen to how free and flowing it is. This is great. It's very well orchestrated, catchy, and musical. It's just too bad it's only 2:23 long and an interlude. This is the most refreshing track on the album since the opening. B+ 7. Flying Cookie is a change up to Eastern Indian and/or Persian/Egyptian influence, sounds. But there's that repeating guitar again that has not stopped outstaying its welcome (that ended several tracks ago) on every track on the whole entire album, save for the intro and interlude. *sigh* The part from around 5:10 to 5:31 would have been so much fun without that which distracts from the fast and psychedelic Psy/Goa mind twisting rhythm. C+ 8. Seq-Uoia has not much of an intro but begins relatively catchy and gripping from the previous track. I also find the melody/tone more gripping, exciting than the previous number. But that damn guitar. It wouldn't sound so much if I hadn't heard it on almost every previous track so far. I cannot see the correlation as to why the guitar is so promoted or why it is so present in virtually every track. Just listen from 1:52 to 2:15. That's a beautiful sound formulation and I can only imagine how emphasized it would have sounded without the guitar. As it thumbs over almost every new sound that appears, reducing the free and blossoming life with each interval of development, growth. The melodies are very well composed, a combination between beauty and aggression. Whereas guitar often accentuates aggression it is beyond complimentary by now. Melody wise, this is one of the best tracks on the album. Unfortunately the intended strength of the guitar has become the antagonist by its own inability to be gone and let life grow without the conceptual need or use of it. B 9. Key To The Trunk starts out great. The first melody around :015 is good, catchy. But I'm exhausted by this point as the (rahg, rahg, rahg ) guitar returns again. It's a monotonous sound that distracts from all of these accentuating, moving, and developing, fun melodies. Such as the part from 3:50 to 4:18. The number isn't as gripping as the previous one. It's decent, if a bit similar in formula relative to the past two tracks. C+ 10. An Harlequin's Tale appears to lesson the g volume and let the music breath more. I barely notice the guitars. The melodies are pretty good too, especially the main tune. Although not as mixed up and detailed as previous tracks, this is a refreshingly unpredictable change up from previous uptempo numbers. It's more for listening pleasure than intended to dance to. The tempo, speed, and unique approach positively adds variation in style and feel to a relatively weak variety. This is a pretty good song. B- 11. The End... is very mythical, warm, mysterious and traveling. The melody sounds influenced from a very cool action/thriller like Con Air. Filled with emotive ambient tunes and startling, little details, the number is very well orchestrated, scored. Furthermore it is a wonderful example of how much potential this artist has when he lets loose those irritating (g word) and lets the beauty of the sounds breath and flow. Being a short epilogue or closing, the track is unfortunately only 3:25, though it's compelling. This is one of the best tracks here. I just wish it was a little longer. Overall a great track. Very creative and thoughtful. I could listen to an entire album like this. B+ In conclusion, after spending around $22 on this album (including shipping) from saikosounds, I would have preferred it without the heavy, repeating guitar on every uptempo track. Muinomednap! may not have been a masterpiece without the guitars. Or with a style that generally recycles itself more than many albums including RA's 9th for same year comparison. RA's 9th broadened its style by having greater variation, sounds, and ideas developed in tracks. This would have been more enjoyable with less to no guitars, and a stronger track variety around the intro, interlude, and outro. Goa Gate by the same artist also lacked having a strong track variety (tracks sounding different from one another regardless that it's in the artist's style, vision. Fortunately, Goa Gate did not overuse guitars. If this artist (and I know he can because he's very talented) can strengthen the weaknesses on his debut, the sequal has potential to be great. Muinomednap! is like a really attractive piece of artwork and then at the very end, the artist decides to throw a not too thick but present coat of paint over it, reducing the clarity of the gorgeous landscapes and atmosphere, clouding its beauty with the most distracting and unnecessary "overuse of sound" I currently remember hearing on an otherwise good album. I've been so excited to hear this album because I loved the EP kindly given to us from this artist in 2007. Both EP tracks were very distinct in sound and direction. I suddenly found myself very enthusiastic to hear the album. And to a degree I like it. But why are the guitars such a consistent thing in almost every track? WHY? How does this enhance or compliment the album? Even if someone loves guitars, they're too repetitive and distracting from the good music here. At least give us a couple tracks without them or use them in moments as opposed to few and far between moments without them, to mix it up, so the melodies and tracks overall stand out more. The EP sold me. Both tracks on the EP were more or less great. And I don't remember guitars being on either of them as they are here. I really like Muinomednap!'s refreshing, innovative work as done in tracks 1, 6, 11,. They could have been more lengthy but I'll take quality over quantity -- that they are. It would be impressive if this artist made an album with tracks like tracks 1, 6, 11, but lengthier, so they resemble more danceable innovations like Talpa's musically unexpected and arresting Till We Meet Again track. Tracks 1, 6, 11 are filled with creativity, passion, grip, and they don't overuse any particular sound. They're excellent, fun, and free. Add uptempo/dance tracks 5, 8 and maybe one or two others (and trim those guitars) and that's a powerful track list. I'm frustrated with Muinomednap! because I want to like it more than I do. There is just so much energy, warmth, fun sounds, and creativity on it. I feel like the artist had fun making it. I can tell that a lot of time and work went into producing it. Not much work went into the guitar layer though, as it does more bad than good. And unfortunately the emphasis on guitar prevents the album from reaching its full potential. Lastly, the uptempo melody/sound work may be a bit formulaic, but it is so catchy in Falling Stars and Seq-uoia -- they deserve mention. I find the guitar overkill. And I'm surprised the artist didn't do something about it. I like guitars at times in Psy/Dance music (Four Carry Nuts - Mechanical Age, Dark Soho's first two albums, etc) but I find them distracting when used throughout every uptempo track and in combination with so many beautiful sounds and melodies. Because this artist makes music that is filled with light and freedom. The guitars keep the style more confined in a sense, and therefore less fantasy-based and free, which is what I think was intended with this otherwise fun and zippy style. So in all fairness, I recommend listening to the samples and if not bothered with certain things as much as I was, he or she may enjoy the album more than I did. Favorite tracks: 1, 4, 5, 6, 8, 11. B- Cover artwork/design: The cover artwork is very artistic and catchy. This is my favorite cover of the year. And without certain over-usage of guitars I think the album would have been closer to the beautiful, flowing, and present nature of the wild and imaginative cover. Samples http://www.saikosounds.com/english/show_ar...artist_id=10562 http://www.psyshop.com/shop/CDs/pot/pot1cd001.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frozen dream Posted September 13, 2008 Author Share Posted September 13, 2008 hey jon, you got 6 albums this year and not 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ormion Posted September 14, 2008 Share Posted September 14, 2008 Am I the only one who didn't even pay attention to the guitars? I swear that If Jon didn't mention them, I would even realize that the tracks have guitar samples. They're in the background and I can barely hear them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAeON Posted September 14, 2008 Share Posted September 14, 2008 Although I agree with strydr about the production style being very formula structured, I don't agree about the review and I don't believe strydr is understanding and communicating the artist very well. I too am a little disappointed by the lack of variety - however only talking about that is misunderstanding the artist and this very fresh and original style created by filipe. I think its a massive accomplishment that this kind of psychedelic energy is captured in a goa/nitzhonot style, yet is presented in the kind of energy full-on has today. This is really big dancefloor music, and is structured similarly so as to estalish this as a unique style rather than being percieved as expiramental nitzhonot or whatever. Yet at the same time I agree the lack of variety is very much an issue. But overall this definitely is not deserving of a 3/10 rating. I have listened through this album a few times but I need to wait longer to let the tracks and their impressions sink in, and maybe play a few of these tracks at parties before I might want to review this. This album can be 5/10 - 7.5/10 depending on your taste and how well the music ages with time (whether it can be listened to more than 10 times and still remain interesting) It is too early to decide anything right now. As a first impression the music clearly is original and well produced. After multiple impressions it does dawn on you that too much remains the same from track to track - not to mention a tad cheesy... yet this is how you feel at home, how about on a dancefloor? These are things a reviewer needs to think about.. Also - once and for all will people please stfu and stop causing drama around this artist. Diaks stop argueing with Strydr because you disagree with him. I will seriously ask a moderator to remove these kinds of vibes from this topic if you are thinking of bickering and another 10 page waste of time results. Please review the album ONLY. It sounds as if you state that you can say that one can tell others if music is bad or good. It all lies in the listeners hands to decide whether he likes it or not. There is nothing as bad or good music that applies to everyone as with everything else here in the world. A good review in the sense you are talking would rather be a scientific study which calculates the average perception of the quality of a specific album from all humans in the world. Then you could talk you just did. On topic: I really like this album! I would give this 9/10! Exactly my type: mystic melodies, hypnotic, warm and round kick drum; perfect to relax and dance to! I just realized that Muinomednap Pandemonium backwards. Didn't think about that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frozen dream Posted September 15, 2008 Author Share Posted September 15, 2008 I just realized that Muinomednap Pandemonium backwards. Didn't think about that. hmz yeah, that kinda stuff makes you like it even more huh sugapiehoneybunz in overall i don't think this album has aged very well, about a few hours and it was all over for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Cocco Posted September 15, 2008 Share Posted September 15, 2008 I just realized that Muinomednap Pandemonium backwards. What are you stupid? No I'm just kiddin!!! =) I was wondering what "Muinomednap" was. You figured it out before me. But that would make it !Muinomednap, with an exclamation point before, not after. Not that it matters. The album has the same "guitar" short sample running in the background with the same layout for almost all of the tracks, whats up with that? It annoys me, the listener having to hear the same sound in the frequency throughout the whole album. It seems to be following the bassline in each track. Okay there's an example. I just went back and read some reviews throughout the thread. That first sentence is exactly how I feel. I really hope that the next Pandemonium album improves upon its weaknesses here because the style has potential to have a much stronger, more positive effect. There are several tracks here I really like. Especially the melodies in Falling Stars! Tracks Pandemonium! and Stuck in the Walls sounds a bit too similar to me, hearing them back-to-back with the chronic guitar and all. I realize they share the same style (or one of two sub-styles of one style, the other given to the shorter tracks) but Moon Fishing is very different from the previous two songs that come before it. And that's in the same general style too. The guitar appears to be less loud and/or present as well, the melody lead(s) are very prominant and distinct in Moon Fishing. Same with Falling Stars, minus the guitars. Same goes for Flying Cookie, Seq-uoia, and Key to the Trunk back-to-back. They may be a little too continuous or lacking in variety/sound. Although this is in the artist's style. I understand. It's more about stronger, less repetitive differences in sound varity/style, melodies, structure, and story telling within that style. An Harlequin's Tale is the last lengthier song that sounds so distinct in this new style from anything before it. Tracks 1, 6, and 11 really break up the album nicely. I would have loved if more of the uptempo tracks followed this solid variation in style, where each uptempo track stands out as more characteristic and individual sounding (RA's 9th actually is a very good example) than the number both before and after it (with few exceptions). When the album's good, it's good. The style is novel. But when it's repetitive with ideas and/or certain sounds, i.e: the guitar, well, it's not as enjoyable. So these are some ideas to consider for a potentially wonderful sequel. As Bruce Lee even said: "Absorb what is useful. Discard what is useless. And make it into your own." Update: The best uptempo Pandemonium tracks I've heard to date are A Mad Scientist's Night and Alibaba and the 40 Acid puzzle. These are more the crazy/fun Goa-influenced style I find great. They're very catchy, energetic, danceable, and I never feel like either one is repetitive or overuses any particuar sound once. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frozen dream Posted September 15, 2008 Author Share Posted September 15, 2008 why am i not amazed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penzoline Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 I was excited to hear this album because of Pandem's track on V/A Human Hyperactivation. This is album is really solid, the tracks are all appealing and good. It even has some really great Eastern influences on some of the tracks which is a big plus for me, also reminds me little bit of Ra's sound. Another good thing is that some of the ideas really work well, and are quite fresh(Especially in An Harlequins Tale). But it's not all perfect, the biggest problem here is repetitiousness. The same synth sounds, the same flute and what's worse, the same damn guitar riffs. It really gets on my nerves how the guitar riffs stay there for basically the whole damn album. I mean, there's a little bit of difference in it, but it's so transparent that you don't feel like it has changed, at all and it really takes away from the album as a whole. Luckily it's not a deal-breaker, though. With that said this is still a good album(Great on the dancefloors, I'd imagine), but safe-bets and repeats itself far too often. Favourites 2(!!), 3(!), 5(!), 8, 10. I'd give it an 8/10 (4-10 scale) P.s. I haven't done a lot of reviews, excuse the noobiness of this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEMO.BOFH Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 why am i not amazedprobably for the same reasons as I? I tried to give this album another chance, but I CAN NOT get into it. It is simply not my cup of tea. I prefer cheesy full on to this to be honest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frozen dream Posted October 22, 2008 Author Share Posted October 22, 2008 i was talking about jon's update part, i rly like those 2 tracks!!! :posford: :posford: :posford: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitoxin Posted October 27, 2008 Share Posted October 27, 2008 You know i am really sick of you people turning Filipes free stuff against the album. There has never been anything for free from Suntrip, and when Filipe does it, instead of appreciating it you turn his free releases against this album. So here is what will happen: There will never be any free stuff from Filipe or Phototropic ever again. Hope you are all happy now. Harald aka Digitoxin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baloeba Posted October 27, 2008 Share Posted October 27, 2008 You know i am really sick of you people turning Filipes free stuff against the album. There has never been anything for free from Suntrip, and when Filipe does it, instead of appreciating it you turn his free releases against this album. So here is what will happen: There will never be any free stuff from Filipe or Phototropic ever again. Hope you are all happy now. Harald aka Digitoxin What does Suntrip has to do with this? and more important, the best free Filipe stuff was undoubtly on Metapsychic Records, not on Phototropic I think. The whole point is that he used to make very various music, with loads of fresh ideas and changes allover the place, while this album sounds the same all the time with same samples, it sounds like fast food compared to the old music, that's all Frederik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penzoline Posted October 27, 2008 Share Posted October 27, 2008 You know i am really sick of you people turning Filipes free stuff against the album. There has never been anything for free from Suntrip, and when Filipe does it, instead of appreciating it you turn his free releases against this album. So here is what will happen: There will never be any free stuff from Filipe or Phototropic ever again. Hope you are all happy now. Harald aka Digitoxin That's like saying I can't say that IFO is better than Seven Sisters, because it's older, even though it clearly is better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Cocco Posted November 12, 2008 Share Posted November 12, 2008 I agree 100% with what Baloebe. I actually thought this artist was pretty awesome for releasing stuff for free and I basically looked the other way regarding samples before purchasing this album just because Filipe's previous work, free or not -- has been strong and dynamic. The first step back for me was the more or less solid Goa Gate album because past the first several tracks, they all began sounding a bit too similar in ideas and/or general structure with few exceptions, the last song for instance. But I enjoyed Goa Gate more than this here because of certain repetition here, though the intro, interlude, and closing stands out with zero repetition; they're creative and fun. But this innovation isn't the focal point of the album, and the innovative style is compromised by few, though present enough (for me at least) set backs. Try not to be irritated by each other guys. We're good people on here. This artist's best work according to everyone I have spoken with, both on and off the internet, is not on Suntrip, but Metapsychic Records. I have a lot of respect for Filipe and the other artists for making V/A - Pyramidal Trancendence the AWESOME old school sounding Goa compilation that it is. Even this album here has good elements but I'm overall not impressed with it as a whole. And I am looking forward to the second; I hear certain repetition like the guitar is not an issue there. Pandemonium! - Muinomednap! (though I would have written it Pandemonium! - !muinomednaP) is now on Psyshop for less than what I payed for it on Saikosounds for anyone interested. I would have ordered it here but with all the great free stuff I've gotten from this artist in the past, I'm not going to complain. http://www.psyshop.com/shop/CDs/pot/pot1cd001.html So here is what will happen: There will never be any free stuff from Filipe or Phototropic ever again. Hope you are all happy now.lol. I actually didn't know Phototropic initially gave stuff out for free. Though I think free stuff and the fans is between Filipe and the fans, not Filipe and the record label unless the label owns rights to that which therefore should not be free without the legal process and/or approval of the label. I have no problem supporting this artist by buying his albums and telling others to check out his work, long as I consider such work great, excellent, etc. I suppose we're adding names at the end now so.. Jon Cocco Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pandemonium! Posted November 13, 2008 Share Posted November 13, 2008 hello everyone , just arrived from belgium and the amithaba buddha live was awesome never seen so many people jumping , going crazy and smiling so much! about this album i got many people saying this album was very good. here in psynews I understand the critics etc but not everyone has to enjoy my music anyway i want you guys to know that the new pandemonium stuff doesnt have a guitar anymore and im sure it will be a big suprise and for sure not a disapointment. Thanks for the support Jon Cocco and the rest of the people. About labels , Suntrip is doing a great job and Phototropic aswel. Both labels are working very hard on bringing up this Goa music we know of. More music will come up soon... and the evolution continues! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzzman Posted November 13, 2008 Share Posted November 13, 2008 It sounds as if you state that you can say that one can tell others if music is bad or good. Best sentense i've read here on psynews so far I've read it 10 times now, and still don't get your point @sideeffect... and the guys who share hes opinion: What's the point of reading a review if it's allways positive? Then you KNOW that the review is: "Yeah, album of the year, 10/10" does that help you, or show any diversity in peoples opinion on the album? If anyone want to write a good/positive review because they feel different about the album, then there's plenty of space left on the forum for them Back on topic: I share Nemo's opinion on this album(shame on me to) but i deleted it as well after a couple of hours... But then again, it has to be REALLY REALLY good before im into this kind of psytrance.. So don't take my opinion for anything Pandemonium Good luck with the production! And remember: Guitars is a no-go Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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