Ormion Posted December 29, 2008 Author Share Posted December 29, 2008 first of all... both techno AND trance are in fact house music No. Just because both genres started by House doesn't mean that are the same. It's like saying Goa is acid techno. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnome Posted December 29, 2008 Share Posted December 29, 2008 ALERT: STOLEN MELODY! Seriously! He flinched that melody from The Visions Of Shiva - How Much Can You Take?! He he... And yep, it feels more like electro to me. Sounds like a Rother remix of HMCYT... Oh well.In my books,thats electro http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=6tjSg_fKVEg and if you cant see the difference then theres no point in comparing. But anyway,my point is there's as much trippy and melodic music in electro/techno but the genre is simply too wide to define,referring to Anoebis' post. And please with the stolen melodies,there must be like 467000 melodies written for all trance/techno/electro music,some of them have to sound very similar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supergroover Posted December 29, 2008 Share Posted December 29, 2008 Now, would anybody kindly explain to me WHAT THAT IS? To me it always was TECHNO. Is it? It maybe is. But WHAT KIND? Schranz? I began to associate it with that. But if it's not Schranz what's it then? Let's put it that way: if that style is Techno, then I prefer Trance. That's how I always thought. that is exactly techno to me. A hard kind. but techo. No tekno. Not sure what style of techno it would be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kryll Posted December 29, 2008 Share Posted December 29, 2008 No. Just because both genres started by House doesn't mean that are the same. It's like saying Goa is acid techno. Goa has a lot of characteristics of the old Techno-Trance scene in Frankfurt it's all about perspective, and the scope from which u fund your arguments techno can be humongously different than trance if u want but there're more than plenty of examples where they overlap completely Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEMO.BOFH Posted December 29, 2008 Share Posted December 29, 2008 What the duck are you guys talking about?! Techno./... Electro... have you guys ever HEARD electro?! ELECTRO http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=K4wFyFvF4Mc NOT ELECTRO ELECTRO NOT ELECTRO please people, dont follow the trend of thinking that minimal or tech-trance is ELECTRO cause it fucking A I N T! http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=VO87v4y-ZjY&...feature=related TECHNO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnome Posted December 29, 2008 Share Posted December 29, 2008 What the duck are you guys talking about?! Techno./... Electro... have you guys ever HEARD electro?! ELECTRO http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=K4wFyFvF4Mc NOT ELECTRO ELECTRO NOT ELECTRO please people, dont follow the trend of thinking that minimal or tech-trance is ELECTRO cause it fucking A I N T! http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=VO87v4y-ZjY&...feature=related TECHNO Nemo things have changed since the nineties,genres have been merged,no more vinyl old man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kryll Posted December 29, 2008 Share Posted December 29, 2008 no more vinyl old man. lol, what a goa thing to say Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnome Posted December 29, 2008 Share Posted December 29, 2008 lol, what a goa thing to say haha i know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEMO.BOFH Posted December 29, 2008 Share Posted December 29, 2008 Nemo things have changed since the nineties,genres have been merged,no more vinyl old man.So you are saying that this gay electro house or whatever, is now called Electro?! Uh, oh, I am glad that there are almost no techno people here, they would laugh their asses off at ya'll. Oh well, what is it worth to discuss with a bunch of hippies and a halfling?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnome Posted December 29, 2008 Share Posted December 29, 2008 So you are saying that this gay electro house or whatever, is now called Electro?! Uh, oh, I am glad that there are almost no techno people here, they would laugh their asses off at ya'll. Oh well, what is it worth to discuss with a bunch of hippies and a halfling?! How dare you insult my race.I shall report that to Mars the IV in haste. But no really,do you actually find that Hacker tune gay.Weird. And yeah techno people would laugh their asses off,the same people that refer to Extrawelt and tunes packed with melodies and groove as 'minimal'. How laughable.I wonder what radi has to say.BTW how do you expect a decent level of discussion about techno on a forum called 'psynews'. edit: allow me to call anything techno and electro the same way you called me a halfling,im not a halfling,learn your DnD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEMO.BOFH Posted December 29, 2008 Share Posted December 29, 2008 How dare you insult my race.I shall report that to Mars the IV in haste. But no really,do you actually find that Hacker tune gay.Weird. And yeah techno people would laugh their asses off,the same people that refer to Extrawelt and tunes packed with melodies and groove as 'minimal'. How laughable.I wonder what radi has to say.BTW how do you expect a decent level of discussion about techno on a forum called 'psynews'. edit: allow me to call anything techno and electro the same way you called me a halfling,im not a halfling,learn your DnD I actually meant that Kryll was the halfling... hes Belgian! Anyways, end of discussion for me. As you said, how can you expect to have this discussion on a board called PSYnews Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemmiwinks Posted December 29, 2008 Share Posted December 29, 2008 always refer to Ishkur's guide to electronic music when in doubt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEMO.BOFH Posted December 29, 2008 Share Posted December 29, 2008 always refer to Ishkur's guide to electronic music when in doubt For a newb it might be useful, but its not accurate, NOR is it complete. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malevol3nt Posted December 29, 2008 Share Posted December 29, 2008 I really dig old AP's work under the SFX name. They call it "Intelligent Techno", and it really is some form of techno isn't it? It kind of mixes up with Goa a bit, but it's got the techno structure in it. I guess "Goa Techno" wasn't an appropriate name. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEMO.BOFH Posted December 29, 2008 Share Posted December 29, 2008 Some really weird crossover can be found on Trans'Pact, Doss-House Records and Subliminal Records. Check it out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kryll Posted December 29, 2008 Share Posted December 29, 2008 the further you explore electronic music, the less u can hold on to styles and nametags (imho) some good techno (prolly sounds like psytrance for some): Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Padmapani Posted December 29, 2008 Share Posted December 29, 2008 So you are saying that this gay electro house or whatever, is now called Electro?!around here: yes! if anyone is talking about "electro" he usually means electro house. @nemo, re hardcore it's tekno (or freetekno or hard techno or however you want to call it) which is a subgenre of techno. just a bit faster (and imo better) than the commercial stuff (for which RTP posted a really nice expample) for hardcore look here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kryll Posted December 29, 2008 Share Posted December 29, 2008 it's tekno (or freetekno or hard techno or however you want to call it) which is a subgenre of techno. just a bit faster (and imo better) than the commercial stuff (for which RTP posted a really nice expample) some good techno (prolly sounds like psytrance for some): ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kryll Posted December 29, 2008 Share Posted December 29, 2008 Trance, I simply hate the monotonic non-melodic feeling of techno... Same same same... Bleh Melody lover forever monotonic, yes but non-melodic ??? i guess u never heard alotta oldschool techno some quick examples i came up with just now : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rp_1QO9LRYw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jg0FbpDNhSQ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEMO.BOFH Posted December 29, 2008 Share Posted December 29, 2008 the further you explore electronic music, the less u can hold on to styles and nametags (imho) some good techno (prolly sounds like psytrance for some): around here: yes! if anyone is talking about "electro" he usually means electro house. @nemo, re hardcore it's tekno (or freetekno or hard techno or however you want to call it) which is a subgenre of techno. just a bit faster (and imo better) than the commercial stuff (for which RTP posted a really nice expample) for hardcore look here. ;-) monotonic, yes but non-melodic ??? i guess u never heard alotta oldschool techno some quick examples i came up with just now : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rp_1QO9LRYw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jg0FbpDNhSQ Fine. Then everything is Electronic Music, No genres. Fuck those. Discussion over Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kryll Posted December 29, 2008 Share Posted December 29, 2008 Fine. Then everything is Electronic Music, No genres. Fuck those. Discussion over genres are practical to talk about, and approach music but if your wanting to make a statement about a genre, your not talking about the music itself anymore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seraph Posted December 29, 2008 Share Posted December 29, 2008 To me, it changed all the time as I like both of genres, but at few stages of my life, how the genres were changing, my moods were changing : 1993 - 1996 : TECHNO ( Hard Techno, Acid Techno, Gabba Techno ) 1996 - 2000 : TRANCE ( Goa Trance, Psychedelic Trance, Old School Trance ) 2000 - 2002 : TECHNO ( Tech-Trance, Deep & Progressive Techno ) 2002 - 2005 : TRANCE ( Minimal Trance, Psychedelic Trance ) 2005 - 2008 : TECHNO ( Minimal Techno, Micro House & Techno ) And even still, I cannot separate those two genres, so I cannot vote at the moment. My soul is more in trance, but my body moves more freely to techno. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anoebis Posted December 29, 2008 Share Posted December 29, 2008 @ Kryll: of course there was techno with melodies, but you can't deny one of the main things in trance were (are?) the fat melodic leads and arpeggios allover the tracks, in Techno the melodies are way different... The only kind of techno I liked a little was acid-techno, when the 303s were fat enough (but then it is called "acid" I guess) I grew up with Bonzai and it's 1000 sublabels, and in the end the ones I always liked the most for me were the "trance" ones, so that was clear for me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kryll Posted December 29, 2008 Share Posted December 29, 2008 but you can't deny one of the main things in trance were (are?) the fat melodic leads and arpeggios allover the tracks, in Techno the melodies are way different... well ok i get your point, and i agree to disagree >as in: to me, i have a different view about it and it's all about personal preferences here, so not much use to discuss further i think some arpeggio techno btw: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnome Posted December 29, 2008 Share Posted December 29, 2008 some good techno (prolly sounds like psytrance for some): Good stuff.I've been looking for similar techno for ages now,i went for schranz but it sounds way too boring for me.Unless it thats considered to be schranzy as well. I was at this techno party at the uni and someone played a two hours set of fullon psychedelia around this style of techno,funny thing is there was a psytrance room which sounded like american pop compared to that. That day really made me wonder. Anyway,got any releases to recommend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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