Basilisk Posted April 15, 2009 Share Posted April 15, 2009 If you had to make the shortest, most accurate list of the major psytrance styles, what would it include? I've got something like this: Full-On, Progressive, Techtrance, Darkpsy, Downtempo, Goa... But of course this doesn't catch everything. I'd include Suomi but so much of that style isn't actually made in Finland; does the term still apply? Could I get away with using "experimental" as a catch-all for stuff that doesn't fit anywhere else? I'll make no secret of it; I'm asking because I'm working on a new feature for Ektoplazm... something originally requested here on Psynews, actually: the ability to browse free releases by style. Of course, nothing is ever completely accurate... but I'm hoping to capture the most music with the least number of bins, and I welcome input from the community to achieve something that will piss off the least amount of people Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaySatanicHippie Posted April 15, 2009 Share Posted April 15, 2009 I think if you wanna keep it as short as possible and dont get into too much detail your list is perfect. Except instead Suomi I would use experimental to include all the australian weird stuff and psybreaks etc... And, if anyrecords cross-over, like Ace Ventura for example, you could give it 2 tags (full-on and prog. in that case). You hearby have the official "GSH seal of approval" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemmiwinks Posted April 15, 2009 Share Posted April 15, 2009 If you had to make the shortest, most accurate list of the major psytrance styles, what would it include? I've got something like this: Full-On, Progressive, Techtrance, Darkpsy, Downtempo, Goa... But of course this doesn't catch everything. I'd include Suomi but so much of that style isn't actually made in Finland; does the term still apply? Could I get away with using "experimental" as a catch-all for stuff that doesn't fit anywhere else? I'll make no secret of it; I'm asking because I'm working on a new feature for Ektoplazm... something originally requested here on Psynews, actually: the ability to browse free releases by style. Of course, nothing is ever completely accurate... but I'm hoping to capture the most music with the least number of bins, and I welcome input from the community to achieve something that will piss off the least amount of people yep your list pretty much catches it all... although I think that minimal lovers will argue that minimal and progressive are 2 different things (but I don't care, both styles are just as boring if you ask me lol) I would also recommend somehow making 2 larger subgroups "morning" and "night" to differentiate the feeling of an album (for example some full-on is for the dark hours and some is for the morning) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insejn Posted April 15, 2009 Share Posted April 15, 2009 Yes, I'd say you list catches the just of it. It's those country-specific styles that are hard. Like you mention suomi and then we have the South African style but I guess you can get away with full-on there. If you replace full-on with psytrance, you will get away with more imo But then again, one could argue that all those spawned from psytrance. Ah, what the hell! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anoebis Posted April 15, 2009 Share Posted April 15, 2009 I would only add 1 genre, and that is psy-trance (mostly made between 99 and 2003, stuff like psysex, logic bomb, Children of Paradise,...) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frozen dream Posted April 15, 2009 Share Posted April 15, 2009 If you had to make the shortest, most accurate list of the major psytrance styles, what would it include?goa psy trance and i would put my dick in all other holes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ormion Posted April 15, 2009 Share Posted April 15, 2009 IMO Goa-This includes all styles of Goa (Old School, New School, Nitzho etc.) Full On-This includes all styles of Full On (Poppy, Israeli, SA, Dark, Hard etc.) Progressive-This includes Tectrance too since IMO most of them sound Proggy in my ears. Also minimal, trancey, housey psy etc. Darkpsy-This includes Forest, Russian style, Psycore, Horror etc. Experimental-Suomi, Australian, genres fusion, weird stuff Ambient/Downtempo-From beatless ambient to Shpongle and just plain Psytrance-For everything else, like MEEO for example or the old IM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Time_Trap Posted April 15, 2009 Share Posted April 15, 2009 "Ambient/Downtempo-From beatless ambient to Shpongle" That's not really a style of psyTRANCE, one could argue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ormion Posted April 15, 2009 Share Posted April 15, 2009 "Ambient/Downtempo-From beatless ambient to Shpongle" That's not really a style of psyTRANCE, one could argue. IMO eveyone who use the word Psytrance means the whole scene, not just the dance music. The same with other genres like IDM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spifer jo Posted April 15, 2009 Share Posted April 15, 2009 IMO Goa-This includes all styles of Goa (Old School, New School, Nitzho etc.) Full On-This includes all styles of Full On (Poppy, Israeli, SA, Dark, Hard etc.) Progressive-This includes Tectrance too since IMO most of them sound Proggy in my ears. Also minimal, trancey, housey psy etc. Darkpsy-This includes Forest, Russian style, Psycore, Horror etc. Experimental-Suomi, Australian, genres fusion, weird stuff Ambient/Downtempo-From beatless ambient to Shpongle and just plain Psytrance-For everything else, like MEEO for example or the old IM. wow... this is exactly how i look at the psytrance scene :clapping: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qa2pir Posted April 15, 2009 Share Posted April 15, 2009 Untsiboof For example Cosmosis, Mindfield Woinglishprooing For example Hallucinogen Waabldaat For example Astral Projection, Dimension 5, Etnica Mpfprr For example Ubar Tmar, Necton, Ticon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sawfly Posted April 15, 2009 Share Posted April 15, 2009 Ambient has nothing to do with psytrance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frozen dream Posted April 15, 2009 Share Posted April 15, 2009 Untsiboof For example Cosmosis, Mindfield Woinglishprooing For example Hallucinogen Waabldaat For example Astral Projection, Dimension 5, Etnica Mpfprr For example Ubar Tmar, Necton, Ticon waabldaat, played that last weekend! great power and nostalgia! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karan129 Posted April 15, 2009 Share Posted April 15, 2009 IMO Goa-This includes all styles of Goa (Old School, New School, Nitzho etc.) Full On-This includes all styles of Full On (Poppy, Israeli, SA, Dark, Hard etc.) Progressive-This includes Tectrance too since IMO most of them sound Proggy in my ears. Also minimal, trancey, housey psy etc. Darkpsy-This includes Forest, Russian style, Psycore, Horror etc. Experimental-Suomi, Australian, genres fusion, weird stuff Ambient/Downtempo-From beatless ambient to Shpongle and just plain Psytrance-For everything else, like MEEO for example or the old IM. Forest Tribal (Sub?)styles like Nizhonot and Suomi could help people looking for really specific recommendations. P.S. Someone once said MEEO was glitch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwhale Posted April 16, 2009 Share Posted April 16, 2009 Untsiboof For example Cosmosis, Mindfield Woinglishprooing For example Hallucinogen Waabldaat For example Astral Projection, Dimension 5, Etnica Mpfprr For example Ubar Tmar, Necton, Ticon Ambient has nothing to do with psytrance +1 I guess it's debatable whether "chillout" does it not and to what extent. I don't really like the idea of calling all these substyles of psytrance anyways... even psytrance a subsyle of psytrance? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ormion Posted April 16, 2009 Share Posted April 16, 2009 Ambient has nothing to do with psytrance Psymbient has Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drosophila Posted April 16, 2009 Share Posted April 16, 2009 Except instead Suomi I would use experimental to include all the australian weird stuff and psybreaks etc... And, if anyrecords cross-over, like Ace Ventura for example, you could give it 2 tags (full-on and prog. in that case). Why not give psybreaks a distinct category, since its very easily "classified" and doesn't really fit with the rest in the experimental pot?! and double (tripple even) tagging would be very good, so cross-over stuff will be easy to label, and at the same time give a better idea about the music. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CosmoNaughty Posted April 16, 2009 Share Posted April 16, 2009 Psy breaks are seemingly quite fashionable in the uk again there are a fews clubs (mainly in the wider London area) pushing that sound. I think it's strange that the psychedelic trance scene from almost the world go the sound was never quite good enough and people from day 1 started to create sub genres. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abasio Posted April 16, 2009 Share Posted April 16, 2009 Ambient has nothing to do with psytrance For me it is Psychedelic & Entranc(e)ing therefore can be PsyTrance albeit very horizontal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malevol3nt Posted April 16, 2009 Share Posted April 16, 2009 So everything with a pumping bassline or made by an ex-psytrance artist is called psytrance now? Great. Rock & Roll is psytrance too, ask Duvdev. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basilisk Posted April 16, 2009 Author Share Posted April 16, 2009 IMO Goa-This includes all styles of Goa (Old School, New School, Nitzho etc.) Full On-This includes all styles of Full On (Poppy, Israeli, SA, Dark, Hard etc.) Progressive-This includes Tectrance too since IMO most of them sound Proggy in my ears. Also minimal, trancey, housey psy etc. Darkpsy-This includes Forest, Russian style, Psycore, Horror etc. Experimental-Suomi, Australian, genres fusion, weird stuff Ambient/Downtempo-From beatless ambient to Shpongle and just plain Psytrance-For everything else, like MEEO for example or the old IM. Yes, this is how I see it... but I'm having trouble with "just psytrance" since it isn't really a sub-style or type of psytrance per se... I mean, it's all psytrance (or close enough) but how does MEEO or Prometheus or any of those guys fit? It's not full-on in the conventional sense... still have to sort that one out. Here's the working list: Full-On. Progressive, Techtrance, Darkpsy, Goa, Techno, Downtempo, Experimental... Some styles such as night/morning/twilight can be rolled into full-on or progressive or darkpsy. Same with forest music. We know it's not the same... but these are just high-level tags, nothing more. You can see it in action now: http://www.ektoplazm.com/section/free-music/ Click on any of the styles listed just under the title of a release. Still a lot of work to be done here but I think the above categories cover 95% of what's on the site--and that's great for a start. Props to supergroover for prompting me to get this done :posford: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ormion Posted April 16, 2009 Share Posted April 16, 2009 Yes, this is how I see it... but I'm having trouble with "just psytrance" since it isn't really a sub-style or type of psytrance per se... I mean, it's all psytrance (or close enough) but how does MEEO or Prometheus or any of those guys fit? It's not full-on in the conventional sense... still have to sort that one out. How about Freestyle? Free of styles? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotwang Posted April 16, 2009 Share Posted April 16, 2009 You can see it in action now: http://www.ektoplazm.com/section/free-music/ Click on any of the styles listed just under the title of a release. Very nice, but why not stick direct links to all the genres somewhere? It would be nice to be able to go straight to a genre without having to find a release with that tag first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basilisk Posted April 16, 2009 Author Share Posted April 16, 2009 Indeed; I am going to code that up next. Here's the problem with "freestyle": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freestyle_music Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwhale Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 Psytrance describes a lot of music from 99-03 at least, it's neither goa nor fullon nor progressive. It's a term to describe a type of music. It's NOT an overarching term (IMO). Maybe you should call these divisions of Psychedelic Music or something. Ambient has nothing "trance" about it. Some of the chillout has other beats too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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