Veracohr Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 Since it's on a CDr, I missed that. Does it say that somewhere, or do you just know from past purchases? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amithaba_buddha Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 Great release Phototropic , show them what is the sound of the Middle Age of Goa-Trance! Great Stuff!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psylover15 Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 I missed that. Does it say that somewhere, or do you just know from past purchases? Good question. Not surprising, Phototropic misleads customers by never saying anywhere their releases are in CDr format, but that is the case with almost all if not all of them. Anything bought from kunaki is definitely on CDr. Kunaki is actually a pretty good system. Anyone can upload music and artwork to it and print off their own CDrs, whether just 1 copy or multiple. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amithaba_buddha Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 Phototropic is mostly Underground ., so , it should be mostly taken that way , attention i dont say fully because Phototropic releases some serious material on Pressed CD which has a lot of Value. I have lots of releases from Phototropic and they are pretty good , as i'm more of a collection guy as i now don't listen much of the new stuff but i keep it. For the price it is , it's VERY GOOD and there's always work involved , so my opinion is HEADS UP! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amithaba_buddha Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 For the people who might think it's mp3 , i'm almost sure it's NOT and i believe Phototropic for what it does. People who might be thinking it is , i say it's mostly maybe because they don't feel the quality of nowadays (too much Digital for my head)and they think it comes from an Mp3. I can tell because i use Hardware and i know how it sounds. Remember this was produced at the end and beginning of the new Century , i don't know what kind of gear they were using , but im pretty sure they would be using some Good Material (and maybe some primitive software at the time )and it's really very good for what IT IS. Hope i helped to clear out some points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veracohr Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 Good question. Not surprising, Phototropic misleads customers by never saying anywhere their releases are in CDr format, but that is the case with almost all if not all of them. Anything bought from kunaki is definitely on CDr. Kunaki is actually a pretty good system. Anyone can upload music and artwork to it and print off their own CDrs, whether just 1 copy or multiple. Cool. Unfortunately, I seem to have spent that money already. It'll have to wait. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psylover15 Posted October 21, 2009 Share Posted October 21, 2009 For the people who might think it's mp3 , i'm almost sure it's NOT and i believe Phototropic for what it does. People who might be thinking it is , i say it's mostly maybe because they don't feel the quality of nowadays (too much Digital for my head)and they think it comes from an Mp3. I can tell because i use Hardware and i know how it sounds. Remember this was produced at the end and beginning of the new Century , i don't know what kind of gear they were using , but im pretty sure they would be using some Good Material (and maybe some primitive software at the time )and it's really very good for what IT IS. Hope i helped to clear out some points. Nobody is guessing based on what they feel or hear, there are software algorithms that can analyze audio and easily detect, except in the case of dark ambient and stuff, if they are likely MP3 quality or not. And the answer is: the source files (prior to mastering) for Zelur Project were MP3s. Probably the original WAVEs of Zelur Project were lost, since it was made quite a long time ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitoxin Posted October 21, 2009 Author Share Posted October 21, 2009 Good question. Not surprising, Phototropic misleads customers by never saying anywhere their releases are in CDr format, but that is the case with almost all if not all of them. Anything bought from kunaki is definitely on CDr. Kunaki is actually a pretty good system. Anyone can upload music and artwork to it and print off their own CDrs, whether just 1 copy or multiple. Phototropic has meanwhile sold thousands of pressed CDs (not CD-R) with quality material and you claim its all mp3 on CD-R? Whats wrong with you? I guess for you its not about a serious discussion but just about an ego-boost based on spreading false accusations. Kunaki releases are CD-R, the german shop that sells them lists them as CD-R, so its not a secret at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psylover15 Posted October 21, 2009 Share Posted October 21, 2009 Hi, there's nothing "wrong" with me. I'm glad to see that 4 of your releases are actually pressed CDs: http://www.discogs.com/label/Phototropic+Records Unfortunately there's no mention on your website that the others (the majority so far) are on CD-R media, so I consider that a little misleading for customers like the person who asked the question earlier, that don't know what kunaki does. As for mp3 sourced Phototropic releases, the only one I know of is Zelur Project. There probably aren't any others since Zelur Project is the only ancient music and there's no reason for them to be mp3 sourced unless the original WAVEs were lost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imba Posted October 21, 2009 Share Posted October 21, 2009 I have all releases from Phototropic and all are with good quaility! Don't talking about something what you don't know. Also, upcoming release on Phototropic: VA - Goatronika (Compiled by Imba & Digitoxin). Hope you will hear samples soon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psylover15 Posted October 21, 2009 Share Posted October 21, 2009 I have all releases from Phototropic and all are with good quaility!What Imba considers good quality, maybe. One is still undoubtedly sourced from mp3s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imba Posted October 21, 2009 Share Posted October 21, 2009 I trust to Digitoxin and Jeka from SynSUN and i listened many times CD, i don't see any problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basilisk Posted October 21, 2009 Share Posted October 21, 2009 Not surprising, Phototropic misleads customers by never saying anywhere their releases are in CDr format, but that is the case with almost all if not all of them. Anything bought from kunaki is definitely on CDr. This isn't the 1990s any more. The distinction between "CD" and "CDr" is not what it once was. When you buy a bunch of CDrs at the store and burn some at home that's one thing... but Kunaki has a professional replication service. It is not the same. Incidentally, the question of whether Zelur Project is MP3 quality or not is easily remedied by having a look at the spectral waveforms. This need not be a subjective matter; just use the proper tools to look into it and find out one way or another. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amithaba_buddha Posted October 21, 2009 Share Posted October 21, 2009 This isn't the 1990s any more. The distinction between "CD" and "CDr" is not what it once was. When you buy a bunch of CDrs at the store and burn some at home that's one thing... but Kunaki has a professional replication service. It is not the same. I totally agree. I worked with Kunaki myself and Truth is , its DAMN GOOD for what it is , so be Thankful for it plus the work Phototropic is doing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psylover15 Posted October 22, 2009 Share Posted October 22, 2009 Thank you Basilisk for that fresh breath of reason. I have checked it and that's why I know with certainty the source files were mp3. I guess others can believe whatever they want, since I can't force anyone to check for themselves. I wouldn't think of blaming Phototropic since they never knew before hand that the source quality was mp3. The only people that new... were SynSUN. And we've already been through that earlier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Cocco Posted October 22, 2009 Share Posted October 22, 2009 Wow. I never knew of this before today. Is there samples on Phototropic's site? Beatsdigital has good samples where I heard it. The album sounds great; I thought SynSUN was falling from Goa until I heard this, though its an old release, sounds like a new gem to my ears; the style is colorful, fresh, and fun. Why is it not on saikosounds or psyshop? Samples http://www.beatsdigital.com/index.php?album_id=91148 The album sounds nothing like his newer stuff, unfortunately :; I just came across this 2008 release today. http://www.psyshop.com/shop/CDs/pho/pho1cd403.html OM (Open Mind) your current video babe sig appears to be crashing my browser. I can't navigate through page 1 without my page freezing, computer crashing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basilisk Posted October 23, 2009 Share Posted October 23, 2009 I have checked it and that's why I know with certainty the source files were mp3. I guess others can believe whatever they want, since I can't force anyone to check for themselves. You could post the screen cap of one of the songs I don't have this CD otherwise I'd do it just to settle things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitoxin Posted October 23, 2009 Author Share Posted October 23, 2009 Wow. I never knew of this before today. Is there samples on Phototropic's site? Beatsdigital has good samples where I heard it. The album sounds great; I thought SynSUN was falling from Goa until I heard this, though its an old release, sounds like a new gem to my ears; the style is colorful, fresh, and fun. Why is it not on saikosounds or psyshop? Samples http://www.beatsdigital.com/index.php?album_id=91148 The album sounds nothing like his newer stuff, unfortunately :; I just came across this 2008 release today. http://www.psyshop.com/shop/CDs/pho/pho1cd403.html OM (Open Mind) your current video babe sig appears to be crashing my browser. I can't navigate through page 1 without my page freezing, computer crashing. There are always samples on the Phototropic site. And its not on saikosounds or psyshop because sales are too low to support such a move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psylover15 Posted October 23, 2009 Share Posted October 23, 2009 Keep in mind it was remastered for the CD. TRACK 1 COMPLETE: http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/720/longholier.png TRACK 1 ZOOM 5 SEC: http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/8009/61235662.png ORIGINAL MP3 VERSION, TRACK 1 ZOOM 5 SEC: http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/1024/224kbps.png (Note: I think the mp3s I downloaded may be a transcode. They are 224kbps lol.) Anyways, it's an intersting question what the original bitrate mp3s were. I guess not bad, maybe 320kbps. I've been waiting for a long time now for a program to determine the real bitrate of an mp3. Read this article recently. http://portal.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=1597817.1597828 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(OM)Open_Mind Posted October 23, 2009 Share Posted October 23, 2009 OM (Open Mind) your current video babe sig appears to be crashing my browser. I can't navigate through page 1 without my page freezing, computer crashing. Sorry bro, she will be punished Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penzoline Posted October 23, 2009 Share Posted October 23, 2009 Nice job phototropic for getting more old school goa released! Keep in mind it was remastered for the CD. TRACK 1 COMPLETE: http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/720/longholier.png TRACK 1 ZOOM 5 SEC: http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/8009/61235662.png ORIGINAL MP3 VERSION, TRACK 1 ZOOM 5 SEC: http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/1024/224kbps.png (Note: I think the mp3s I downloaded may be a transcode. They are 224kbps lol.) Anyways, it's an intersting question what the original bitrate mp3s were. I guess not bad, maybe 320kbps. I've been waiting for a long time now for a program to determine the real bitrate of an mp3. Read this article recently. http://portal.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=1597817.1597828 Vegeta, what does the scouter say about his bwhale-level? IT'S OVER 9000!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basilisk Posted October 23, 2009 Share Posted October 23, 2009 Keep in mind it was remastered for the CD. Hmm, the results seem a bit ambiguous, perhaps because of this exact reason. What does Audiochecker say? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psytimeofmylife Posted October 23, 2009 Share Posted October 23, 2009 I'm probably gonna buy these two albums in the next week. The samples and the swirling melodies sound really nice! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Cocco Posted October 23, 2009 Share Posted October 23, 2009 There are always samples on the Phototropic site. And its not on saikosounds or psyshop because sales are too low to support such a move. Okay I just found them, naturally here. The album sounds great, worth buying. http://www.phototropicrecords.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psylover15 Posted October 23, 2009 Share Posted October 23, 2009 Hmm, the results seem a bit ambiguous, perhaps because of this exact reason. What does Audiochecker say? I think the 16kHz cutoff and blockiness are quite clear on the spectral analysis pictures. It doesn't phase audiochecker either, though a few tracks are uncertain results. I guess track 4, 5 and 10 were most heavily changed by the mastering. Unfortunately adding high frequencies where they were cut off before doesn't restore the loss of quality, it only extrapolates on it. 01 -=- 01-SynSUN_-_Longholier.wav -=- MPEG (73%) 02 -=- 02-SynSUN_-_Sun_(Vax_Mix).wav -=- MPEG (85%) 03 -=- 03-SynSUN_-_Solid_State.wav -=- ERROR 04 -=- 04-SynSUN_-_Spiritual_Healing.wav -=- CDDA (92%) 05 -=- 05-SynSUN_-_Astral_Projection.wav -=- CDDA (54%) 06 -=- 06-SynSUN_-_Forsaken.wav -=- MPEG (95%) 07 -=- 07-SynSUN_-_Parade_Of_Planet.wav -=- MPEG (95%) 08 -=- 08-SynSUN_-_Millenium.wav -=- MPEG (95%) 09 -=- 09-SynSUN_-_Fatal_Error.wav -=- MPEG (95%) 10 -=- 10-SynSUN_-_Zero_Tolerance.wav -=- CDDA (49%) 11 -=- 11-SynSUN_-_Juno.wav -=- MPEG (95%) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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