Elysium Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 I just discovered that my free to download Elysium live-set from Antaris-Project 2009 has been uploaded to Jamendo without my permission. Normally I would not protest as the live-set is intended to be free to download and all promotion is good promotion but I discovered that Jamendo offer my music as a commercial license to Companies for a fixed fee. This is a criminal act as I do not see any of the money (if ever my music was licensed out that is) and furthermore it's a direct violation of my Copyright. What is wrong with the person who in the first place uploaded my music to Jamendo creating an account in my artist name? It seem to me some people just don’t think. First they get the music for free and then they try to make money out of my music. Where has the ethics and moral gone in this scene? If you like to download my music then do it from my personal website in full wav or from Ektoplazm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlieNed Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 i have to honestly say that i picked up ya music that might be tagged as goa psy or psy chill to spead other the new via pirate bay torrent , just to make it available for free to all who is interested but that jumbo site is trying to achive some benefits from what is supposted to be free ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elysium Posted October 29, 2009 Author Share Posted October 29, 2009 i have to honestly say that i picked up ya music that might be tagged as goa psy or psy chill to spead other the new via pirate bay torrent , just to make it available for free to all who is interested That's fine with me. The music is free so I have no problem with people adding it to torrents, blogs, forums etc. Even though I don't know why people would settle with less quality when they can get the full wav quality from my own site or Ektoplazm. but that jumbo site is trying to achive some benefits from what is supposted to be free ? That's why I get so angry. They have no legal or moral right to license my music out to companies without a prior agreement with me and full payment to me. I simply do not understand why they do not ask for Copyright proof before they agree to host music and license it out. As I see it their service is probably infected with stolen music! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlieNed Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 That's fine with me. The music is free so I have no problem with people adding it to torrents, blogs, forums etc. Even though I don't know why people would settle with less quality when they can get the full wav quality from my own site or Ektoplazm. That's why I get so angry. They have no legal or moral right to license my music out to companies without a prior agreement with me and full payment to me. I simply do not understand why they do not ask for Copyright proof before they agree to host music and license it out. As I see it their service is probably infected with stolen music! as for my PB torrent , i do not spread any mp3 loosy shit , but its more then 4 gb big and its wave for jumbo Why are some tracks "pending availability"? Can I order them anyway? Tracks pending availability are tracks you may have found on jamendo.com but whose authors didn't authorize the commercial use of their music. You may nevertheless place a request for these tracks. We will contact the artists immediately to seek their approval for the use of their music in your project. You will be notified by email if the music becomes available. You will still be able to edit your selection after you've clicked on "describe your project". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlieNed Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 u kinda didnt autorise commercial use of ya free music Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elysium Posted October 29, 2009 Author Share Posted October 29, 2009 u kinda didnt autorise commercial use of ya free music People are welcome to use my music for commercial use IF I agree and they pay for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veracohr Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 It seem to me some people just don’t think. It's not that they don't think, they just don't care. I've talked with some people about similar subjects and was told flat out "I don't care." It's one of the symptoms of an increasing sense of entitlement in a lot of places. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elysium Posted October 29, 2009 Author Share Posted October 29, 2009 It's not that they don't think, they just don't care. I've talked with some people about similar subjects and was told flat out "I don't care." It's one of the symptoms of an increasing sense of entitlement in a lot of places. Yeah you are right. I look forward to see Jamendo's reply though. And would love to know who the person is that uploaded my music to their site (I am sure they wont tell me) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlieNed Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 we gonna stike back any globalisation or commercialisatios attempts as well wait for they reply , if they are doing legal bizz they shud make things clear Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ormion Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 Cause it's...people. And this is what humans do. They never care. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frozen dream Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 money Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
needle ninja Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 Well yea, duh, its all about the money for 90some percent of people out there. Just image anything you give free being rubbed in someones croch, if you can live with that, ok, if not, don't give it away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuisBSF Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 Humm how about whoever did it is a fan with good but misjudged intentions? The grimmest explanation does not necessarily have to be the right one always. Just email jamendo to take it off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supergroover Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 there is more stuff from ektoplasm there. but i cant really find your stuff on the site. Did they take it off? Also i cant find where they charge for the music. But its 10 am and i didnt look that well yet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elysium Posted October 30, 2009 Author Share Posted October 30, 2009 Humm how about whoever did it is a fan with good but misjudged intentions? The grimmest explanation does not necessarily have to be the right one always. Just email jamendo to take it off. Well it can not be a mistake since you have to declare that you indeed is the artist and hold the copyright to the music you upload while signing up at Jamendo. It's made very clear to people! So no mistake there. I've had a talk with Jamendo and all has been taken down now. They are looking into who did this and if they find out who it is that person might face some legal trouble from Jamendo's side as they have strict rules about violating artists Copyright and breaking their rules. However I doubt it will come to this. But I will from now on be more careful and probably make an IP tracking system of each of the downloads on my site and also ask for an email address and name etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malevol3nt Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 It's ok if you do that, but don't make it public like that. You're only going to scare potential downloaders with that kind of talk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elysium Posted October 30, 2009 Author Share Posted October 30, 2009 It's ok if you do that, but don't make it public like that. You're only going to scare potential downloaders with that kind of talk. What kind of talk? I'm just behing honest and by law I have to inform them on my website anyway. And I dont see anything wrong in having some sort of minor control over who's downloading my music from now on. If people do not want this sort of info shared with me they are welcome not to download my music. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basilisk Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 New music sites like Jamendo and last.fm are exploring novel ways to pay artists. Last.fm, for instance, shares royalties made through radio play, and Jamendo is exploring a suite of licensing options and other kick-backs. All of this is very good except for one little difficulty: it is not practical to verify the rights owner is the one uploading content for use in these affiliate programs. In the old days it would have been a business deal, right? A guy in a suit, a contract, some face-to-face time, or at least some legal negotiations through an intermediary. One downside to this should be clear: only deals where there is a significant amount of money to be made would go through. Small artists get the shaft. Not so in the digital era; automate the contractual process, drop the cost of inventory to near zero, and you create a wealth of opportunity for independent artists and rights owners to get in on the action. Of course, the "action" is a mere pittance. I think Ektoplazm has made, what, EUR 0.50 in a year of having the catalogue on last.fm's royalty program? Jamendo struck upon the idea to mediate licensing for film and television (and there are other sites like this as well) which will profit the artist more on the odd chance their content is picked up. I haven't heard of it happening in our scene just yet--although I have granted several film producers the rights to use specific tracks in the Ektoplazm catalogue for various independent/low-budget projects. (With permission from the artists of course.) What it comes down to is the principle of the matter. Licensing a work under the Creative Commons does not give someone the right to do whatever they want; there are specific terms. In this scene, reserving the right to commercial gain is standard. It's in all the licenses you find on my site and it is certainly attached to Elysium's work in this case. Although it isn't likely that anyone made a penny from uploading the set to Jamendo they still have no right to do so. And yes, this has already happened with releases on Ektoplazm. I've sorted that situation out though--it was, as expected, just a misunderstanding. Jamendo and last.fm need to be wary of the ease of misrepresentation that comes with open uploading processes. I am, however, pleased that Jamendo is very responsive to these concerns, as the arbitration process I entered to have some content removed was swift and easy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malevol3nt Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 What kind of talk? I'm just behing honest and by law I have to inform them on my website anyway. And I dont see anything wrong in having some sort of minor control over who's downloading my music from now on. If people do not want this sort of info shared with me they are welcome not to download my music. I just don't see the point of bothering. You can fake your name, your e-mail and your ip address. So there's really no protection, except the license information on the download page. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolmot Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 If a random download form asks for my name and e-mail, it will be Mickey Mouse @ mailinator.com . If it looks really dodgy, I fake the IP and all other connection details. Real information has repeatedly leaked to spammers and fraudsters even from high profile companies. What are the odds that I'd take the risk with a mystery site I surf through in ten seconds? Someone who's going to abuse the music will surely fake that all. It will only annoy the honest listeners for no gain. Just like all other "protection" schemes out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elysium Posted November 2, 2009 Author Share Posted November 2, 2009 Who changed the title of this debate? Mars? It's a misguiding title and not what I named the debate. It's not Jamendo's fault that some person uploaded my music without my permission. On the contrary Jamendo have been nothing but supportive and very fast to react. Please change the title back to what it was: "What's wrong with some people?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest antic Posted November 2, 2009 Share Posted November 2, 2009 Well, to be honest 'what's wrong with people' is also quite misleading. I think naming the thread something like 'what's wrong with people uploading free stuff to paid-for services like Jamendo without artists' consent' would be more fair... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elysium Posted November 2, 2009 Author Share Posted November 2, 2009 Well, to be honest 'what's wrong with people' is also quite misleading. I think naming the thread something like 'what's wrong with people uploading free stuff to paid-for services like Jamendo without artists' consent' would be more fair... I don't like when a moderator edit something I have written. I think it's a no go as long as it's not offensive etc. But done is done so I'll move on My suggestion was "What's wrong with some people?" as it's clear that some people have no moral or ethics when it comes to artist legal property (music). But your suggestion is nice too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Go-Goa Trancer Posted November 2, 2009 Share Posted November 2, 2009 Hum yes, weird that your topic titles was changed. I hope you will get some clarifications because it shouldn't really happen IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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