Goa trance sharing project

May 21, 2003

Hi,

I'm creating a web site on Goa Trance. I'd like you to join me and

create a very good project. It's not about

listing all goa DJs, or creating a bulletin board, as other very good

web sites already do it.

I want to allow visitors to download a huge collection of Goa Trance

tunes, and to offer other things other sites don't.

Go ahead and access: http://www.goa-trance.com to have a look at the

project

Feel free to contact me at project[a]goa-trance.com

Thanks!

Daniel.

DeathPosture · May 21, 2003

Pirate!

May 21, 2003

No, actually, this is not to practice piracy, it's to promote goa trance music, make it more popular, and to enable users to buy CDs online knowing if they like or not the CD, instead of buying the CD, and then discovering they don't like it.

How many times this happened to all of us ?....

May 21, 2003

pfffft... yeah right

Otto Matta · May 21, 2003

Don't be so cynical, Kiph. Everyone knows that illegal MP3s don't even exist, but are instead a fabrication constructed by The Recording Industry to distract us from high CD prices. Good thing, too, since if they really did exist, musicians and labels would have to struggle to stay afloat.

May 21, 2003

I think piracy does exist and that's a shame but every one has to be responsible and to buy the CDs if he/she really is gonna listen to the music. That's the least he/she can do, isn't it?

May 21, 2003

"That's the least he/she can do, isn't it?"

There's another thing he/she can do (or actually not do). He/she could avoid setting up sites which distribute illegal mp3s. (this is actually even easier than buying the cds... just sit on the couch and not set up a site. easy)

May 21, 2003

I won't buy CDs anymore if I can't listen to it previously.

Otto Matta · May 21, 2003

A little idealistic, Daniel. I, too, would love it if kids were responsible with their illegal MP3 consumption, but that's simply not the case. There are several sources for legal MP3s, especially at artist and label sites, as well as shops that are selling the music. We should be responsible as listeners, not by adding to and thus perpetuating the illegal MP3 trade, but instead by taking advantage of the generous efforts by artists and labels to let us hear their music at their sites before we buy it.

Maybe you could set up a site where, instead of distributing illegal MP3s, you could link directly to these artist and label sites where legal MP3s can be found. That would be far more helpful in the long run.

May 21, 2003

That's a good idea. Do you know sites that sell goa legal MP3s?

I agree, some people may just not buy any CDs, and take advantage... Too sad... However, after all, I think musicians would earn more than lose by sharing their music, and thus promoting it.

Do you have other ideas for this new web site?

Otto Matta · May 21, 2003

Just about every artist, label and shop site has free MP3s or streaming of samples. Start looking around and taking notes of addresses. Before too long, I suspect, you'll have a list of links a mile long.

Also, if you're serious about setting up a site to bring the music to the people, you could surely make deals with the artists and labels to link to and from their sites.

May 22, 2003

Right, there are already many web sites that offer streaming samples of CDs, but you can't actually buy for instance 99 cents a goa tune from record industry companies (as far as I know).

I already did several offers to record companies, but so far, no answer. I'm gonna try to contact them again and let's see if they answer.

I think a CD + shipping + handling = $25 is way too expensive for 75 minutes of music. It could be just 10 bucks if it were bought and downloaded legally from a server...

Also, I've been downloading several musics that I like, but stores are out of stocks, it's impossible to buy some old CDs...

Anyway, for now, I think I'll wait a little bit and see what's going on, what ideas rise and appear.

Hopefully I'll bring a service useful for both parts.

May 22, 2003

funny

had the same idea few years ago.

but labels are not allowing these. they have this "fear" about piracy.

what i wanted to do is put the entire song, at a very lame 32kbps/22.050KHz, so in that way you may get a good idea of the song, and there's no way you can stand hear that awfull digital noise more than twice.

imagine a resource in the net where you can trace any old or new trax (even unreleased), or find out that the cd you always thought was shit is actually some masterpiece.

artists could benefit from this (labels,distributors and record stores included).

it's all about information, responsability and sharing.

i know you can try to search some samples in record stores, but they are way too short (not in saikosounds, best record store in the net) or don't exist for old releases. Try to make a good idea of a record if you only listen to the first 30 secs. of an intro... or what about the 30 secs in the middle of a break...

arghhhhhhh... hate that.

i guess there should be a way that doesn't represent loses for the artists and labels (and all the real leaches in the road between them and you, the final buyer)

neomenia

share the knowledge before it's too late

:}

May 22, 2003

hey ramesh:

why not doin' that in lo-res audio files? otherwise it's piracy!

like i said, if you're going to buy it in the end... what's the difference of hearing without having it or having something that it's nearly hearless (*sp)?

(i guess the word "hearless" doesn't even exist, but you get the point, don't you)

May 22, 2003

the idea of links sounds good, and if it works mayby when your site is often visited labels and artists will listen and allow yout to bring full length low quality (like neomenia suggested) mp3's on your site.

your obviously trying to promote without benefit, and if you go along with links first you'll at least ahve a start.

May 22, 2003

This issue has been discussed many times at different forums and on various mailing lists, but it apparently needs to be discussed again.

> No, actually, this is not to practice piracy, it's to promote goa trance

> music, make it more popular, and to enable users to buy CDs online

> knowing if they like or not the CD, instead of buying the CD, and then

> discovering they don't like it.

>

> How many times this happened to all of us ?....

Illegal MP3 downloading and distribution is _not_ promotion.

I know that illegal MP3s have been the first contact with goa/psy-trance for many people, and that there are a lot more people listening to this kind of music nowadays than there was for 4-5 years ago.

But still record sales have gone down drastically and practically every goa/psy-label is having difficulties of people no longer buying their records (this doesn't mean that people have stopped consuming/listening to their music, they aren't just buying it anymore!). If illegal MP3 distribution really was promotion, the sales would've gone up (better promotion leads always to better sales). Illegal MP3 distribution is not promotion, which was to be proven.

If there are labels in need of this kind of promotion, they'll for sure get in contact with you and supply you with material to promote. But do _not_ steal their music and distribute their music without their permission, it's just wrong.

May 22, 2003

its called 'Samples'.

also if you put full tracks, you'll need HUGE webspace ....

to kill pirate -> LOW CD PRICES

May 22, 2003

Yes, I can see now that putting high-quality full tracks will:

- not increase sales for record companies

- take a lot of web space and bandwidth

- increase piracy

But low-quality full tracks will:

- enable people to listen to the CD one time and know if he/she likes the CD

- help making goa-trance music more popular

- develop sales of goa music, help somehow record companies

- not increase piracy, thus not being illegal

I'll probably host low-quality full tracks in the future, and provide direct links to record companies.

How about offering a classified ads to buy used CDs?

How about offering a professional paid email service (US$25 a year with professional webmail interface, SSL, 50Mb space, POP3...) yourname@goa-trance.com?

What do you think? Other ideas?

Thanks.

May 22, 2003

very nice ideas my friend.

and to all the fucking goa listeners and especially the GOA-producers:

do u know anything about goa?(don't get me wrong) but goa teaches us about freedom,unity,respect and above all goa WAS tha ultimate example of non commercialised music,a great example of how everything should work:make what u like,do what u like and ask nothing for it.it teaches how life would be without money .profits and money involving benefits.what i want to say:

the goa scene opened the way to many fucking producers calling themselves goa producers(god forbid!!!!!!!!!!) and became miollionares(almost...).first of all goa is not only a form of music it is a whole culture.

stop calling yourselves goa producers when u take for a fucking party 3000 euro.i don't care so much for the cd prices(which admittedly are very high)

cause this is the fucking system(a product of non humanistic capitalism)

but when u make a party don't cheat the ''crew'' asking from them 30 euro while u are playing your cock in the decks.

producers CAN ask for cheaper prices in the parties but they don't want to.

they treat music as a ''cheap'' product fooling everybody around.

the goa spirit is gone and i don't have a problem with that(it hurts me actually) but stop using this word producers cause u have nithing to do with it.

May 22, 2003