Goa trance sharing project

May 22, 2003

Thing is Ritual Om, this is the real world and not India (Goa or where ever) and life unfortunately stops to work as idealistically as it does there the moment you land your feet back to where ever it is you came from!

These producers that you seem so angry with are artists and like all art what ever it may be, the more popular, the higher the price. These people have dedicated there lives to the music and they need to survice. They are not gauranteed an income like a monthly salary as they do not lead 9 to 5 lives and therefore they need this money to pay bills (studio hire), rent , support families etc etc

The money they make is nothing compared to what the organisers earn. Why do the organisers make parties? Sure for the love of the music and we all love parties but sure there is profit involved. If not initially then eventually as they become more popular and more people start to attend.

Sorry to burst your bubble, sure we would all love life to continue as it does in India. I am also pretty sure that your idea of Goa, India is going there for a few months every year with all your western money as its so "cheap" for you to go and live out your "make what you like, do what you like and ask nothing for it ideals".....

You make me laugh

May 22, 2003

Thing is Ritual Om, this is the real world and not India (Goa or where ever) and life unfortunately stops to work as idealistically as it does there the moment you land your feet back to where ever it is you came from!

These producers that you seem so angry with are artists and like all art what ever it may be, the more popular, the higher the price. These people have dedicated there lives to the music and they need to survice. They are not gauranteed an income like a monthly salary as they do not lead 9 to 5 lives and therefore they need this money to pay bills (studio hire), rent , support families etc etc

The money they make is nothing compared to what the organisers earn. Why do the organisers make parties? Sure for the love of the music and we all love parties but sure there is profit involved. If not initially then eventually as they become more popular and more people start to attend.

Sorry to burst your bubble, sure we would all love life to continue as it does in India. I am also pretty sure that your idea of Goa, India is going there for a few months every year with all your western money as its so "cheap" for you to go and live out your "make what you like, do what you like and ask nothing for it ideals".....

You make me laugh

May 22, 2003

i guess some labels and/or distributers don't want you to hear a full sample (in very lo-res mp3) of the whole cd simply just because it may have 1 to 3 stormers and the rest is shit, like so many of us have badly found and every time more often than we wished.

one thing is taste, and the other poor production or boring and used formulas.

maybe some producer/label manager/artist could share what they thinks of very lo-res mp3 just for listening pourposes... after all, that files are nearly unusable.

neomenia

share the knowledge before it's too late

:}

May 23, 2003

to sudha:u are a little human being my friend.so little so petty.u also make me laugh sudha.a!!!!!!!!change your nick cause it.s awful and read some books to open your mind.friendly advice:try to focus in the perspectives of the human acts and not the acts alone.

May 23, 2003

i have never gone to goa,i don't care if it's cheap or expensive.it has nothing to do with what i'm saying.stop being so vague and so idiotic with shitty arguments like studios families etc etc.

u make me laugh.

u are so masochist that u probably m*******e when u are being ripped off in a party.

sorry for being so harsh but when somebody says that u make me laugh needs no respect at all.SUDHA u are a non-intellectual being in a psysical body.

May 23, 2003

Too sad there are people like Ritual Om inside the Goa community.

This guy has nothing to do with the Goa state of mind...

He still needs to learn a lot about life...

May 23, 2003

You all do....wait until you're about to become parents and then see...

May 23, 2003

you too!

May 23, 2003

Actually I'm about to Any day now

May 23, 2003

stop fighting girls !!!!

May 23, 2003

ramesh:too bad people like ritual om........

make your own conclusions folks.no moral attack against me.

it doesn't matter.people like these always existed and always will exist.

make your judjement and remember that going with the flow is the easiest way.

when u say smth that goes against any ordinary thoughts and conception u say.................

i'm bored.

bye

May 23, 2003

hi kidos!

that's what i like about the actual state of things!!!!! (trance, psy, world, life).

everybody is fighting or insulting each other just because they don't share the same thoughts, or they feel insulted when an inferior form of thinking uses stupids words to communicate (or indeed insultes (*sp) you)...

(god!!! what a beautiful trax!!! -> ticon-some simple sounds) ; - p

anyway, try to be nice to each other in the way you can, but be nice!

(and this is just the way it has worked fine for me, not a universal law, so don't argue for a point of view, as it will always be a personal point of view, very difficult to change. rebate (*sp) truths, lies, deceits, etc. but not points of views)

neomenia

share the knowledge before it's too late

:}

May 24, 2003

Hoiw much lower can cd prices go? Saikousounds is $12.95 for high price cd's!! Think people... it does cost money for:

Design of cover

Mastering of cd

copyrightying music

paying artist

printing cd and/or vinyl

promotion

it's ridiculous how so many compilan of cd prices, by a cd instead of that next pill or alcoholic drink.. it's better for your body as well!

May 24, 2003

To Ritual Om,

You don't make ME laugh. Your views on the music and the scene is very wrong. Not even when goa started to evolve from body and electronic music it was ment to be 'free'. Already at that stage people made buisness from it one way or another.

It is quite clear that you are not very intellectual either, judging by the way you present your arguments.

Its also obvious that you are a fuckin' cunt and that you should do people a favour by not post replies to threads in this forum again.

Oh, and if you haven't even been to goa.. Well, you should just crawl back under the stone from where you came.

May 25, 2003

i say nothing to u.u have said something wrong,admit it,u insulted me and nevertheless u continue doing it.YOU have no right to tell me what to do.

learn to listen to other people's point of views and respect them.have your own and live with that.i talk about the true meaning of things.the only one that got me was mike dee.thx a lot dude.

to mike who seeme the only one to understand:is 30 euro a reasonable price for a party?when u've been said 70% yours and u have 1000 people partying u have a total of 2100 euro.is what u do on the decks worth that much mike OR are u taking advantage of someone's will to listen to your music?

stick to this and keep it for yourself if u want.don't want shitty arguements like family,studios and such arguements that belong in the surface and will always float in some brains.

May 25, 2003

Author: ritual om (---.softlab.ece.ntua.gr)

Date: 05-22-03 20:07

very nice ideas my friend.

and to all the fucking goa listeners and especially the GOA-producers:

do u know anything about goa?(don't get me wrong) but goa teaches us about freedom,unity,respect and above all goa WAS tha ultimate example of non commercialised music,a great example of how everything should work:make what u like,do what u like and ask nothing for it.it teaches how life would be without money .profits and money involving benefits.what i want to say:

the goa scene opened the way to many fucking producers calling themselves goa producers(god forbid!!!!!!!!!!) and became miollionares(almost...).first of all goa is not only a form of music it is a whole culture.

stop calling yourselves goa producers when u take for a fucking party 3000 euro.i don't care so much for the cd prices(which admittedly are very high)

cause this is the fucking system(a product of non humanistic capitalism)

but when u make a party don't cheat the ''crew'' asking from them 30 euro while u are playing your cock in the decks.

producers CAN ask for cheaper prices in the parties but they don't want to.

they treat music as a ''cheap'' product fooling everybody around.

the goa spirit is gone and i don't have a problem with that(it hurts me actually) but stop using this word producers cause u have nithing to do with it

'scuse me mate, um... how long have you been in the scene? Yes there is that basis for Goa, but that was a very long tim ago and it was so much more underground, most of the world had no clues what goa or psy trance was... with popularity comes expenses and comes money... it is a simple equation of supply and deman, there is a higher deman to have the best acts and the more music out there and because of this prices naturally go up. I find at 99% of party's the spirit is still there, everybodyhere in Melbourne goes to outdoors paryy's almost weekendly, local dj's play the latest tunes and everybody just enjoys being away from city life for a nite or two... I think you need to realise that if something is going to survive in this world, no matter how well meanin ght e"free" theroy is, it will kill the scene even before it has had a chance to progress and grow, it's attitudes like yours that want to keep it underground and kill it.

oh and Iknow what I"m talking about, I"ve been going to psy party's since about '92-'93

Ps if you feel the need to reply in an insulting and aggressive manner:

eart_on_acid@mail.yahoo.com

Thanx and *Boom Shankar* cool mr underground dude :-P

May 25, 2003

No ritual om, clearly by all the above comments NO one got you! I don't think you are even exactly sure what you are talking about.

You are also obviously way to sensitive to get so upset by such simple words but that probably comes from age as you are clearly still very young.

Your penile fixation, on a forum like this is rather unnecessary:

"while u are playing your cock in the decks"

"u probably m*******e when u are being ripped off in a party"

There are millions of other sites that would prefer your company much more.

Great news that you have never been to Goa (yet you preach Goa ideals,

Quote:

"goa teaches us about freedom,unity,respect and above all goa WAS tha ultimate example of non commercialised music,a great example of how everything should work:make what u like,do what u like and ask nothing for it.it teaches how life would be without money .profits and money involving benefits")

and please never go as that place could really do without people like you!!

I thought you were bored? Please don't come back

May 25, 2003

Ramesh:

Sorry that this has gone so off topic mate

May 26, 2003

sudha i'll talk to u like u talk to me.so........sudha u have nothing to do with goa spirit.u should go elsewhere to find your mates.......

mike sorry to dissapoint u but first of all this thing for demand etc has nothing to do.everything lie on the POTENTIAL of people for wealth.besides the economic theory u are using to explain this has it's basis in the maximising of profits.this is the thing my friend.stop fooling yourself.the truth is in front of your eyes.rave superstar,live long big house fat cars.........as for the arguement that when somebody getsmore popular the money are more i give u the example of astral who 2 years ago had an entrance about 20 euro.what happened in such an extravagant way that they mysteriously raised it to 30?this is my opinion.nevertheless u know that all acts have the same prices and there is no difference.

i've been in the scene since 94 and stop being so ironous with others.i may know much more things than somebody that has gone to goa.

plur and boom shankar are no stereotypes and cliche.at least for me.

May 26, 2003

You are all so deeply focused on your little person, everyone tries to have the last word and to be the one that'll be right. Nobody is right or wrong, but before you post something, you should try to understand what the one you are replying to meant. And try to have an objective view on the problem. I am not here to play the teacher or the supreme being , i just find it stupid that this happens on a psy forum (this is more and more the case unfortunately...). Please don't insult people like that. I feel that people tend to care less about what they say because it's just written, would you hold the same conversation face to face ?

As far as I'm concerned I read ritual om's post and I wasn't shocked at what he wrote, the whole forum reaction is kinda overexagerated i guess. (sorry for my english dudes). All of you had intersting points but the ultimate truth, if it existed, would probably be a mix between it all.

Nothing can be generalized, some artists and producers are too greedy and some goa freaks are maybe downloading too much but if you look at the hardtekno and hardcore free party scene, you will realize that those artist are really dedicated to their music, no release is copyrighted (they are released under a "copyleft") , you can download MP3 for free the only purpose is to party. But the public is different maybe, more outside the society, i dunno.

I do buy Cd's and i do download some tracks but when it comes to mixing, you just can't mix with mp3's, when amplified you gotta hear the difference and this sounds like shit (at least for 192 kbps, maybe not for 320 kbps...). Before the MP3 arrival it was the same with friends lending you a Cd that you would put on a tape or burning Cd's from friends...

Goatrance is no entertainment, it's more deeper than that (again, i speak only for me) so it's not all about setting up a buisiness plan, booking artists and earning a lot. It is nromal that artists get money for their music but they shouldn't exepect to become a superstar because trance parties is supposed to be hte place where you get rid of your ego but in westen cournites, a lot of people are too self centered to do so...

Feel free to insult me, use CAPITAL letters to yell at me or anything you want. Just wanted to express my views.

Big up to all the people who keep the vibe alive and a big Boom to all of you (that ain't no cliche for me neither)

Peace Love Unity and Respect to all of you, may you find what you are seeking for in life, whatever it is.

Alex aka Soyouth

PS : I am just a poor young man full of hope and love for the world so you might consider what i say is crap, it's just fine. I don't claim to hold the truth at all, I just wanna be one tiny part of the great vibe :-)

May 26, 2003

MMMMHHHHUUUUAAAAHAHAHAHAHA!!! I love this discussions..... keep it up guys. :-P

May 26, 2003