Guest a_ozi Posted May 31, 2003 Share Posted May 31, 2003 hahahaha i havent been to this forum in a year or two... and still the same tired, petty, adolescent argument!...it cracks me up to read this thread.... will people ever learn to be open minded and accepting of things that aren't to their personal taste. Anyone who whinges about a style of music or art always ends up coming across as ignorant and insecure. There is absolutely no accounting for taste whatsoever. People like what they like. Starting a post like this comes from the same emotion as the US invasion of Iraq. Anyway for the record I have a closer affinity for the smoother, progressive sounds than harder edged night music... but still love getting good hard music when it deserves to be bought. $0.01 keep the change PLUR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basilisk Posted May 31, 2003 Share Posted May 31, 2003 not suprisingly I also fall into the group of people who like the old style but have found something good in human blue and vibrasphere.... and c'mon, minimal isn't dead - they just call it prog now. it has become a bit different... i tend to find more stuff i like. good example: son kite... I started loving a lot of their productions in the past few years and was kicking myself thinking 'damn, did I just not give these guys a chance back in the day?' but no, after trying out their old material again my opinion doesn't change. different people are simply looking for different elements in the music they listen to... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ramesh Posted May 31, 2003 Share Posted May 31, 2003 I have never been able to dance to minimal music nor have I liked any minimal tune. Too easy to compose, and too difficult to like... For me music has to be MAXIMAL: many many melodies, high quality of samples, selected sounds, and long (8-10min.) House music: 3 minutes, 3 instruments: kick drum, hi-hat and a bass line in loop! Not for me guys! Check out Koxbox "Stratosfear". Very good maximal tune... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest D-Dave Posted June 1, 2003 Share Posted June 1, 2003 Staffan, god damn it, poor soul. Come to the Uppsala party at 5/7 and you´ll hear REAL PSYCHEDELIC MUSIC in the true goa spirit. And that boys and girls is what its all about. And yes I know that better than you, unless you been in the scene for more than 10 years No Im NOT being arrogant here!! According to the outdoor goa parties of old minimal music DEFINITELY plays its part IN THE BEGINNING/ MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT, for about an hour or two. Then THE MUSIC SHOULD CHANGE TO SOMETHING (completely) DIFFERENT! Whatever you do, DONT keep the same kind of music banging for 18 hours, or at least I wont respect you as an organizer or DJ. Any swedes, or anyone living nearby, send a mail to battlebuddas@hotmail.com for info about the party, first weekend of july. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sienis Posted June 1, 2003 Share Posted June 1, 2003 "Whatever you do, DONT keep the same kind of music banging for 18 hours, or at least I wont respect you as an organizer or DJ." GO DAVE!! GO DAVE!!!! =D all i wanna hear is good music... everything from chilly > funky > twisted > proggy> fullon etc.... which is the biggest prob at parties when DJs are such chicken shits that they don´t dare to try anything different.... most DJs are just spinning the same kinda poo over n over again... tracks that in some cases would sound AWESOME unless the same kinda style already has been played for like hours and hours already!! psychedelic is supposed to be UNEXPECTABLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! but then again, some might not want it psychedelic, what do i know.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sienis Posted June 1, 2003 Share Posted June 1, 2003 "Whatever you do, DONT keep the same kind of music banging for 18 hours, or at least I wont respect you as an organizer or DJ." GO DAVE!! GO DAVE!!!! =D all i wanna hear is good music... everything from chilly > funky > twisted > proggy> fullon etc.... which is the biggest prob at parties when DJs are such chicken shits that they don´t dare to try anything different.... most DJs are just spinning the same kinda poo over n over again... tracks that in some cases would sound AWESOME unless the same kinda style already has been played for like hours and hours already!! psychedelic is supposed to be UNEXPECTABLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! but then again, some might not want it psychedelic, what do i know.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest staffan Posted June 1, 2003 Share Posted June 1, 2003 D-Dave... ok.. maybe not just minimal. of course there are some parties with psy trance. but I lived in skåne before, and the psyscene isn´t big there. the minimal parties are being arranged all the time but the psy parties are almost dead. now I live in gävle and hopefully i can find some good psy parties here. if I don´t have to work I maybe come to uppsala. it was a long time ago that I visited a good party... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sukanta Posted June 2, 2003 Share Posted June 2, 2003 pfffffffffffffffff................. too many stupid people posting stupid threads.............. just respect the music , stupid asses ...........!!! u don't like minimal ??? i don't give a shit, don't listen to it .............. u don't like full on ??? who cares ???????????? what's the problem ??? fisrt minimal is not dead but still kickin' !!! so is progressive and full on each style bring great atrists and great music why this prick openend this amazingly stupid thread...........??? people, open your mind , stop bringing negative vibes around the things you don't understand please try to be a little smarter........... minimal is a part of trance , if minmal dies, a part of the trance dies and this will be the begininng before prog and psy dies too support the whole movement, not just the tiny lttle person your are in a whole community................. this kind of topic really pisses me off.............. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sukanta Posted June 2, 2003 Share Posted June 2, 2003 pfffffffffffffffff................. too many stupid people posting stupid threads.............. just respect the music , stupid asses ...........!!! u don't like minimal ??? i don't give a shit, don't listen to it .............. u don't like full on ??? who cares ???????????? what's the problem ??? fisrt minimal is not dead but still kickin' !!! so is progressive and full on each style bring great atrists and great music why this prick openend this amazingly stupid thread...........??? people, open your mind , stop bringing negative vibes around the things you don't understand please try to be a little smarter........... minimal is a part of trance , if minmal dies, a part of the trance dies and this will be the begininng before prog and psy dies too support the whole movement, not just the tiny lttle person your are in a whole community................. this kind of topic really pisses me off.............. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest --==1400MiLeS==-- Posted June 2, 2003 Share Posted June 2, 2003 Hahah Support the whole movement...Come on...artists that previously released goa are now spinning fashionable progressive like Etnica. Someone like CHI-AD who is faithful to his roots cannot even release his album due to a lack of market for his great stuff...Or so they say. Prog/Minimal leads to the advent of melodic psy...A genre which is truly dead since Full On or Fool on lacks the depth and cleverness of early goa and psy...Minimal/Progressive killed the hippie vibe and all references to psychedelica...Its hypnotic instead of hallucinogetic... Goa was a nice alternative to House, techno and club once. Now it begs to be part of that...How wonderful... Forza Finnland and Australia...At least those scenes haven't been plagued by the persuasive sell-out mentality... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest r2d2 Posted June 3, 2003 Share Posted June 3, 2003 "Goa was a nice alternative to House, techno and club once. Now it begs to be part of that...How wonderful..." I second that! "Forza Finnland and Australia...At least those scenes haven't been plagued by the persuasive sell-out mentality..." I second that as well !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest D-Dave Posted June 3, 2003 Share Posted June 3, 2003 1400miles is right imo. Well said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Towelie Posted June 3, 2003 Share Posted June 3, 2003 GODDAMIT!!!! Its Finland not Finnland!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest spacemonkey Posted June 3, 2003 Share Posted June 3, 2003 you hit it right on the head 1400 miles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sukanta Posted June 3, 2003 Share Posted June 3, 2003 "Minimal/Progressive killed the hippie vibe and all references to psychedelica...Its hypnotic instead of hallucinogetic" what????????????????? are u kidding ???????????? ok, u don't understand this music so don't bash it like this............. hypnotic brings to hallucinogetic. hypnotic bring to trance, trance bring to hallucinogetic i think minimal can be 100 times more psychdelelic than what u guys call psychedelic music.................. 80 pourcent of psychedelic project nowadays are not psychedelic anymore, it's just noise... ok noise can be psychedelic ... but we are talking about music............. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest spacemonkey Posted June 3, 2003 Share Posted June 3, 2003 it's all a matter of taste of course and psychedelic is what the individual mind beholds as such. hypnotic implies trance indeed, but hallucinogetic paint pictures in the mind far more intricate then hypnotic only, plus it creates a trance state. i like some of the more techno related psytrance, but it lost the hippy trippy vibe i like so much. but like a said it is a matter of taste, and this topic has been talked about so much without reaching a conclusion that we cannot hope it ever will, saying you dont like minimal is not a personal atack sukanta. as for the noise reverence for me psychedelic is about exloring the bounderies of music, (keep in mind this is personal), so creating noiselike music can fit into that definition, because it leaves the common structure of music and experiments whit what can be done to music and still be music. minimal follows a certain structure and is therefore less psychedelic to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest D-Dave Posted June 3, 2003 Share Posted June 3, 2003 Bullshit Sukanta, take a poll among the minimal artists and the early psy artists and you´ll see what kind of drugs they take. I dont know any minimal artists that even come near to using psychedelics. Ergo, their music isnt psychedelic. That doesnt mean you cant find it psychedelic when you are on a trip, but when listening to minimal when not on a trip it just isnt psychedelic, not as finnish, australian and dare I say some swedish music as well. Yes god damn it I dare, most of the stuff Schlabbaduerst releases is extremely psychedelic. Listen to that and see if you agree Sukanta. By the way, I dont find hardly any full-on being psychedelic either. Not nowadays anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Setsuko Posted June 3, 2003 Share Posted June 3, 2003 yeah D-dave , you are so wright ... only people using psychedelics can make psychedelic music ... indeed Schlab is the most psychedelic music there is ...... random noize ever thought about psychedelic in the tribal mind expanding way ? when you dance and everything becomes one (without the use of any drugs) when people start smiling and smiling because the rhythems are so catchy and the vibes have entered their body (without the use of any drugs) and you become aware what the essence of progression really is... LOVE (without the use of any drugs) you really think drugs make things psychedelic ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest D-Dave Posted June 3, 2003 Share Posted June 3, 2003 LOL! Eh, yes. I know for a fact drugs make things psychedelic. A few people I know would agree. Your description of psychedelic doesnt match mine, its a good one, but its not psychedelic. Here is one definition of what psychedelic means. "psy·che·del·ic ( P ) Pronunciation Key (sk-dlk) adj. Of, characterized by, or generating hallucinations, distortions of perception, altered states of awareness, and occasionally states resembling psychosis. n. A drug, such as LSD or mescaline, that produces such effects." Heh, I like the psychosis part. Another definition: "psychedelic adj 1: producing distorted sensory perceptions and feelings or altered states of awareness or sometimes states resembling psychosis; "psychedelic drugs like psilocybin and mescaline" 2: having the vivid colors and bizarre patterns associated with psychedelic states; "a psychedelic painting" 3: of a mental state characterized by intense and distorted perceptions and hallucinations and feelings of euphoria or sometimes despair; "a psychedelic experience"" I think you need all of things mentioned above in order to have something truly psychedelic. What you describe sounds nice, but not psychedelic. It may be necessary to distort things a bit to get the psychedelic atmosphere, hence all the out of tune and twisted effects on the sounds and FX in psychedelic music. Minimal doesnt have that, its generally too clean, too pure to be psychedelic. I dont think thats a matter of taste haha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Duodenum Posted June 3, 2003 Share Posted June 3, 2003 if it adds anything to this discussion: i have been spinning techno and trance for years now, and it wasn't until recently that psy became compatible enough with my music to include it in sets. when i started listening to psy in 95 with Twisted, the music was very hard to mix with any style. you had to quickly beatmatch and transition. now you can mix it with techno and trance quite well. i think a lot of the "boring" comments come from a certain mindset. people are used to listening to a 9 minute track from beginning to end, but now the music can be mixed much faster, like techno. you can make some really exciting sets from the music. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Duodenum Posted June 3, 2003 Share Posted June 3, 2003 if it adds anything to this discussion: i have been spinning techno and trance for years now, and it wasn't until recently that psy became compatible enough with my music to include it in sets. when i started listening to psy in 95 with Twisted, the music was very hard to mix with any style. you had to quickly beatmatch and transition. now you can mix it with techno and trance quite well. i think a lot of the "boring" comments come from a certain mindset. people are used to listening to a 9 minute track from beginning to end, but now the music can be mixed much faster, like techno. you can make some really exciting sets from the music. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest r2d2 Posted June 4, 2003 Share Posted June 4, 2003 Hmm I think music made to mix well together is usually not something I'm into. I agree that's a totally different mindset from mine. Many times tracks whose main purpose is to mix well are...how should I say this...too one dimensional for me. They are way too limiting and I find them too simple. Whereas we whitnessed oversimplification on Goa/Psy in a past couple of years, I keep searching for even more complex and layered sounds than before. I'm sure I'm not the only one. How about some light, dark or anything in between melody that actually stretches longer than a couple of bars much like classical music or jazz do instead of stripped down naked beat or endless 6-8 minute loop of the same exact sound? Musically speaking, I think Goa/Psy scene has suffered major setbacks since the 90's. Production quality is better, but there isn't that much substance. Instead of progressing into more complex sounds, the scene is becoming oversimplified minimalism or copy/paste full on. Of course, there are few exceptions to this, and to them I take my hat off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mindtwister Posted June 4, 2003 Share Posted June 4, 2003 Hmm....this is a long long topic... Im to lazy to read all, but I just wanted to say that minimal is not dead but it has decreased alot, and thats very good in my opinion...! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hercules Posted June 5, 2003 Share Posted June 5, 2003 well somehow there were some really disgusting minimal releases the last year and i must admit that listening some new fresh full on bands like sillicon sound really inspire me..... but if you give a more deep listen you will recognize that this kind of full on is not what it was released 2 years ago it is competelely new sound more improved ........ let's wait and listen what we really like from an x minimalistic lover Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rodeo jim Posted June 5, 2003 Share Posted June 5, 2003 you know when someone plays a real old classic, dragon fly etc, or when someone decides to spin psychedelic cowboy? you know that moment, those changes in style and the so called dead or 'tacky' styles, dont you just enjoy listening back to how it was occasionally? and then imersing yourself in the present swing of things. if minimals dead, its not forgotten. i dont distinguish between styles, theres a different time of night for each one. go ricky go ricky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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