Guest razael Posted June 11, 2003 Share Posted June 11, 2003 What i have read in this forum mostly is people almost everyone has no knowlodge of electronic music , i see people saying house is shit....techno is shit.....progressive is shit....thats very sad...this demonstraters people's intolerance against other genres...like a guy in this forum said.it's the same feeling that made US attack IRAQ (for no reason , pure intolerance) dont forget that techno/house/progressive were the percursors of electronic music (as iraq was a percursor of our civilization).and what i see of most psy/fullon artists is very low criativity, comercial stuff (yes trance is comercial like everything, people dont live without money , stop the hypocrisy please), repeated melodies , samples , basslines in most of the tracks.... dont try to attack me again ok? thats it..so respect to be respected good bye. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Duodenum Posted June 11, 2003 Share Posted June 11, 2003 i agree- there was a period in my life when i ONLY listened to metal, and another when i ONLY listened to acid techno. i lost my creativity and wasn't as happy a person as a result. once i started exploring music again, my life improved greatly (no joke). there is SO much out there, and almost every genre has great music. i must say, psytrance fans have been some of the most close-minded people i've met, and i have been part of the dance scene for 7 years now. when i'm on Soulseek, they often have nothing but psy in their shares, they ban me for not having "unreleased" material, and they don't take my suggestions for new music. NO OTHER users have done this to me. the worst ones are the ones that "only listen to full-on". how small can your world get? anyway, i'm happy for people that dare to be challenged. if you can take time to seek out underground psy, then why not try to find underground hip-hop, punk, etc.? mainstream is usually shit compared to underground, no matter what scene. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jimi horton Posted June 11, 2003 Share Posted June 11, 2003 since you know absolutely nothing about the reasons behind the gulf war jr, perhaps you should educate yourself about what real full-on is as well before making such brash comments. perhaps the only intelligent thing I've EVER heard you say is to respect all genres of music, which you yourself are guilty of not doing. So put up or shut up. how exactly was progressive a precursor to today's electronic music? doesn't a precursor have to happen PRIOR to something else? Trance happened long before progressive ever emerged as a genre. In EVERY genre there are artists who lack creativity (as you call it), but there are also great artists who break the norm with their music; even progressive (oh yeah!). So if you are trying to tell me that there's no such thing as boring progressive.. well... send me an email and I'll compile a list for you that's all. respect music in all its forms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ciotera Posted June 11, 2003 Share Posted June 11, 2003 Sorry.. i don't like house. I just don't, there is no fighting it.. my cd collection falls squarely into 4 areas - classical, psytrance, ambient/world, and IDM.. and believe me, each one of these is so extensive and diverse, I can spend a lifetime exploring it.. And if you think that I'm close-minded because of this, and I should give Britney a chance, well.. I say.. fuck Britney, I like what I like.. when I start feeling that my choices are restrictive, I'll start exploring other styles of music.. but not because of a silly pretentious reason "to keep an open mind and be well-rounded". When it comes to art, discriminination is the way to go. And what's with this hippy "respect this and respect that" shit... - my respect has to be earned.. what I give freely is indifference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jimi horton Posted June 11, 2003 Share Posted June 11, 2003 indifference and appathy are the new plagues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ciotera Posted June 11, 2003 Share Posted June 11, 2003 it's not an open mind, it's a hole in your head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest razael Posted June 11, 2003 Share Posted June 11, 2003 discrimination? oh c'mon...look how you talk to us.....completly intolerant... i dont know the reasons of gulf war? oh fuck....i'm half lebanese....i know the reasons....the fucking OIL! and i'm here to listen to this...and dont say shut up to me....respect to be respected......i respect yes all kind of music....and i cant say something is good when i think it is not... blah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ciotera Posted June 12, 2003 Share Posted June 12, 2003 "completly intolerant" you know what really bothers me? where do people get the idea that they are so important, so fucking infallible as to get out there and preach how everyone should be like them and do this or that..? what makes them think that they have the brains or moral authority to serve as an example for others? I mean.. I like certain things and I hate certain other things and I have no opinion about most things, but I'm never tempted to start telling people that the way they choose to organize their preferences is wrong.. fuck, what do I know about what's right for them? you talk of intolerance, it's really ironic how you don't notice your own arrogance. But let me follow your example and make a blanket statement about one of my opinions - I think, MP3 piracy is killling this scene.. and I think that people who support MP3 piracy are no-good scumbags and parasites and assholes. For fuck's sake.. someone here complained that on soulseek they can't find anything but psy in some user's folder.. It's as if a burglar were robbing my house and was disappointed with my CD collection and thought of me as "closed-minded".. you know what I'd tell that burglar? I'd tell him to go fuck himself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest razael Posted June 12, 2003 Share Posted June 12, 2003 I dont tell anyone what to do.....I just exposed my opinion.... now i see your point....you attack me because of the mp3 piracy....look i dont do any mp3 piracy....you must be wrong...and there is nothing wrong with mp3....it doesnt kill nothing....it really expands the artists music all over the globe....like my case , will you pay a 3.1 dollar (thats how much one dollar costs in my currency) plus a 70% importation tax (over the product and the shipping) , so , one CD would cost for me more or less 120 bucks..unlike you...i'm not rich..i cant afford 120 bucks for one CD...and most of the people who get mp3 have the same case...its easier for you...u're in canada/usa ...where you gov. still our money to make dirty wars and kill innocent...so..its cheap to buy a CD.. if it wasnt for MP3 ...i guaranteee you that psytrance would not be so expanded in brasil how it is today.....and so many foreign artists would not be called to play here.....and people would not know their work....(bcoz we cant buy a fucking CD). so...if you can buy original CD's...nice for you.....go and buy and support them, my support is when i pay to go to a party where an artist plays...ok? dont put your personal problems for what you THINK i do....in this forum, seems you live in your small little world...you just think about yourself.Remember...70% of the world dont live in rich countries...and we have the same right to listen to music as anyone... bla cya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest psycle Posted June 12, 2003 Share Posted June 12, 2003 sorry...but even in the us we usually have to import our CDz from europe or elsewhere...and i suggest you start too. and about not listening to other kinds of music...its a CHOICE...so what if i think that d'n'b is crap...that doesn't mean that i go and kill the fucker that listens to it...maybe you should get out here and see for yourself what people think of psytrance..."how do u listen to the same song for the whole night" etc...so its not only the psytrancers who (according to you) bash other forms of music, EVERYONE else does it too. there was a time in my life when i hated ALL electronic music, now thats changed thanx to psytrance...and until something else as interesting comes out in the near future...i don't really see myself listening to d'n'b or jungle for a while. that doesn't mean that there isn't good d'n'b or jungle out there...im just too busy having a good time with psytrance to go out looking for it...and the same goes for all the music that i am "closed minded" to. --> o:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ciotera Posted June 12, 2003 Share Posted June 12, 2003 dude, i did not attack you.. i attacked mp3 piracy.. you just happened to fit the profile. don't give me that "i'm too poor to buy CDs" bullshit.. if you can afford a high-speed connection to download mp3s, you can afford to buy them on psyshop or saikosounds, which is exactly where i buy my CDs, even though I live in a rich country that bombs innocent people. but fuck it.. i'm not going to get into this stupid debate again.. it has happened too many times.. if you think you are justified in stealing music, good for you.. but then the least you can do is to let me decide for myself what kind of music I would like to SPEND MONEY on, without having to explain myself to you or anyone else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest razael Posted June 12, 2003 Share Posted June 12, 2003 i dont think US has a 70% taxes over a product... do you know how much one dollar costs on my currency? 3 bucks do you know how much i get for month to live? about 1000 bucks in my currency.....i dont have 150 bucks to spend on a CD.do u know how much is one 1 liter of gasoline here? 3 bucks..i almost dont have 100 to spend with myself a pizza delivery guy probably gets some 2000 *US dollars* per month...what would be 6000 in my currency...a good professional here....(with COLLEGE formation gets some 3000 max!!!)...i think we live in different reallities....so..like i said...its very easy to say that when u get easy acess to everything....and have money. and trance would not be so known here if there were no mp3's....90% of the djs here play with mp3..so..no djs...no tracks...no parties...no trance. what can i do? will u give me some cash ? i have a 56k modem connection man...the telephone here is also very expensive (thanks to YOUR companies invading our country and controlling everything) ..so here goes our cash..directly to ur economy....thats our fare world.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ironmonkey Posted June 12, 2003 Share Posted June 12, 2003 So, if you can't afford a luxury item (music) due to your economic situation it is okay to steal it. That is what you're saying. I disagree with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest razael Posted June 12, 2003 Share Posted June 12, 2003 steal? are you calling me a thief...blah..i have the right to listen to music.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Kiph T. Elephant Posted June 12, 2003 Share Posted June 12, 2003 not without paying for it (or without the musicians premission). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dr. Krelm Posted June 12, 2003 Share Posted June 12, 2003 While I have no desire to jump into the stealing/downloading thing, I will say that I think it is sad that so many DJs are playing with mp3s. I hope that these DJs are not playing mp3s at gigs where they are being payed to play. If somebody DJs mp3s at home, that is one thing. But when somebody is playing mp3s at a gig where they make money, that is IMO very bad. Even beyond the BAD sound quality (I am sure most DJs do not play with 256 or 320 kbps mp3s), when somebody makes money from playing something they downloaded for free (without the permission of artist or label), then it is definitely stealing to me. NO question. Beyond making it hard for the labels, I feel the mp3 trade has contributed more than anything to the "everybody is a DJ" effect. I used to go to parties and hear mostly good DJs with a lot of experience. Now I feel lucky if I hear one or two good DJs in a night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Duodenum Posted June 12, 2003 Share Posted June 12, 2003 "someone here complained that on soulseek they can't find anything but psy in some user's folder.. It's as if a burglar were robbing my house and was disappointed with my CD collection and thought of me as "closed-minded".. you know what I'd tell that burglar? I'd tell him to go fuck himself." then you apparently don't understand one aspect of Soulseek, which is the idea of meeting like-minded people and chatting with them. i really don't care if they have files that i don't have, it's just disappointing when i find someone with the same taste in psy, then discover that they can't converse about any other music. and you missed another of my points- ONLY psy people have acted like total assholes, banning me and whatnot. why is that? i think the internet boom and file sharing has ruined the psy scene, which is very sad. sales have changed, as have attitudes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest razael Posted June 12, 2003 Share Posted June 12, 2003 i agree with you......but in my case is different....i dont have where to buy...none import discs here.......and i cant import myself....how the fuck am gonna know the artists and their music if i cant listen? and THEY DO GET CASH when a party producer call them to play here .....if it wasnt for MP3 we would never know his work.... thats it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest CdraScet Posted June 12, 2003 Share Posted June 12, 2003 do you know psyshop.com or saiko-sounds ? they're selling cheap psy Cd's worldwide. and do not tell me you don't have any money, if you have an internet connection, you must have enough money to afford cd's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mindtwister Posted June 12, 2003 Share Posted June 12, 2003 I agree with CdraScet...! Buy CDs you bastards! ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Setsuko Posted June 12, 2003 Share Posted June 12, 2003 some said psycle... "im just too busy having a good time with psytrance to go out looking for it" thats' just the whole thing about it ... about the 'hip' openminded way of living ... we can't explore everything . mostly I'm satisfied with the new releases ( en there are A LOT of them) in this distributions network .. whether it is trance or chill-out ... about the music buying stuff ... Razael , you have some good points to and indeed your economical situation does not give you the right to do what you would like to do .. BUT !! at least you can buy ONE or TWO originals , maybe your all time favourites ... because downloading GB's of mp3's is mass destruction you see . respect ... this community is already very marginal ... so please support . it's like paying for something you really like to eat ... i don't think you steal potato chips every day ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Barrington Posted June 12, 2003 Share Posted June 12, 2003 I say this: So what if I think House is shit? So what if I think techno is shit? So what if it was all the precursor to psychedelic trance? The Wright Brother's first canvas glider was the precursor to Concorde, but that doesn't make it any good. I love my psytrance. If i think anything else isn't as good, well that's my bloody perogative as a free-willed human being, isnt it? So we have no knowledge of electronic music? Does that exempt us from being able to enjoy psytrance? I can't paint for shit but I know that the Mona Lisa is a good painting.... So we're closed minded, uneducated and petty because we like to take Acid and dance all night to psychedelia of multicultural origin. Blimey. Send the music police to arrest us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest krize Posted June 13, 2003 Share Posted June 13, 2003 razael: first complaing about music styles, then complaing about us not liking house/prog, then complaing about how expensive cd`s are and its impossible for you to buy any .... You have to order the cd`s from the net as almost everyone has to (not many places they sell psytrance) ... I dont care if you copy, but I dont like the way you advertise it ... (if people want to copy let them, but dont advertise your hub on a open forum ....) Barrington: "So we're closed minded, uneducated and petty because we like to take Acid and dance all night to psychedelia of multicultural origin. Blimey. Send the music police to arrest us." <- yeah !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sudh1r Posted June 14, 2003 Share Posted June 14, 2003 17€ for a cd is expensive rich people are stupid arrogant pricks that always pick on the poor blame everything on the poor stupid fuckers this community is totally fucked up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest peaceful warrior Posted June 14, 2003 Share Posted June 14, 2003 I do agree with at least one point made by razael. I too have been pretty disappointed by the realization that there are far too many people who listen to psytrance who are some of the most closed-minded people I have seen. What's even more sad is that they don't even understand what "to be open minded" means. They think it means that they must like everything equally. That they must like country music as much as psytrance music, for example. It doesn't mean this. When I meet somebody who tells me that they only like country music and they won't even give a chance or at least recognize that some other type of music might also be really good then what other conclusion can you come to, except that they are intentionaly closing themselves off from the rest of the world. i.e. closemindedness. They say that the electronic dance music that you listen to is shit and that it can't even be considered music. Of course if questioned they will say 'yeah i've listened to it before, but I still think it is shit'. Well they can make all the excuses that they want but I am not going to believe that they are openminded and are merely making an honest judgement. I see this same attitude sometimes even among psytrancers, who you would think would have to be more openminded than most people to even come to enjoy psytrance in the first place. I don't understand it. Something like techno shares about 75% in common with psytrance so how can you say you hate it. I mean hate is a strong word and to use it signifies that you thoroughly dislike it, that there is nothing that you like about it, not even one song or one artist. This to me, only means one thing: you are closed-minded and intolerant. Of course, in a balanced and open-minded viewpoint there is still room for discrimination and preference. For example, I prefer psytrance, overall, more than any other music. This doesn't mean, however, that I think other types of music are utter shit. Especially other types of music that share a whole lot of characteristics and spirit with psytrance. I like alot of techno, but in general not as much as psytrance. In general when you see really extreme viewpoints, it is usually an outgrowth of an intolerant and closed mind. Of course, people expressing those viewpoints will always claim that it is based on something real. "I listen to country music and only country music because I have honestly come to the conclusion that it is the only music worth listening to". O.k. sure...if you say so. Or they will back up into the familiar escape, "well its just my opion and you can't judge my opion". Bullshit I can't! Once and for all guys, opinions are not above judgement. There are such things as stupid opinions. "Well I believe that the sun revolves around the earth". You're entitled to that opinion but it doesn't stop sensible people from thinking you're ignorant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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