GagaISM Posted October 4, 2011 Posted October 4, 2011 A lot of the members on this board stress the fact that Koxbox ain't Goa Trance. Not that it doesn't make sense. But what I'm wondering then is when Goa and Psy became two distinct genres. If The Infinity Project and Astral Project (among others) are the Godfathers of Goa, then who are the Godfathers of Psy? Quote
Oopie Posted October 4, 2011 Posted October 4, 2011 Hallucinogen. Mods, you can close the topic now. Quote
IronSun Posted October 4, 2011 Posted October 4, 2011 Well to my ears, early Koxbox output definitely is Goa-trance, just a tad different then let's say Mfg or Etnica. I don't really consider them psy except for the great unknown, but that is a stellar album in it's own right, combining so many different angles to this music in one. To me, one of the pioneers of the more abstract, bleeping and toinking psytrance certainly is Hux Flux! Quote
GagaISM Posted October 4, 2011 Author Posted October 4, 2011 Hux Flux Koxbox X-Dream Classic Psy is all about the X's Quote
Time_Trap Posted October 4, 2011 Posted October 4, 2011 While opininons are contradictory on this one. I consider goa-trance to be a subgenre of psychedelic trance,and i certainly consider Koxbox to be goa-ish - although it doesn't have the oriental melodies but goa isn't only restricted to it. Hux flux and GMS might be called early full-on and X-dream psytech/tech-trance Quote
GagaISM Posted October 4, 2011 Author Posted October 4, 2011 (...) I consider goa-trance to be a subgenre of psychedelic trance (...) It's interesting that so few acts have been mentioned, especially if you consider Goa to be the sub-genre. Quote
mars Posted October 4, 2011 Posted October 4, 2011 I also believe GoaTrance is now considered as a subgenre of all the Psychedelic (Trance) musics. However if you ask anyone on the street, he will tell you Goa is what Astral Projection or Hallucinogen did, whereas what GMS produced was Psy... That's because in the beginning (95-96), there was only GoaTrance. And later when guys like X-Dream or GMS introduced different recognizable styles (Minimal, FullOn, etc), there had to be a common denominator that got called Psycehdelic Trance. So depending on your "school" you might state (1)"Goa is a subgenre of Psy" OR just (2) "something next to it and completely different". I hope this clarifies. As for myself, if I consider (2), which is what the original poster had in mind, I'd say the father of Psy (and FullOn) was Absolum. I'd discussed that a few years ago very seriously with some artists and there were convergent opinions. Quote
Imba Posted October 4, 2011 Posted October 4, 2011 What about Planet BEN? First album and some first vinyls was goa, after is psy... Quote
kathmandu Posted October 4, 2011 Posted October 4, 2011 plus http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQwoCf7_zxU&feature=related Quote
GagaISM Posted October 4, 2011 Author Posted October 4, 2011 Process should most definitely also be on the list. Quote
CoLoUr DoTZ Posted October 4, 2011 Posted October 4, 2011 Maybe someone sees some of the artists below as Goa trance. To my opinion the were doing psy trance or they moved into psy trance in the late 90s. Quirk (Machina Electrica & Fornax Chemica) Synchro GMS Psychaos (at least from "chaos to order" onwards) Tristan and the Aquatec crew Deviant Species Cydonia Metal Spark X dream - The delta - children of paradise KoxBox Sandman Xerox & freeman P Cok Enertopia Talamasca Hallucinogen - Beast - Infernal Machine Space tribe Sun Project Jojouka Tromesa ManMadeMan GNOTR Bamboo Forest Absolum Nucleus Solaris Eat Static Tim Schuldt etc....... Quote
IronSun Posted October 5, 2011 Posted October 5, 2011 A good compilation that, at least to me, marks the shift from Goa to Psytrance is Resonance Mood, from Matsuri. And indeed, a couple of the artists mentioned in this thread return here. Check it out! Quote
CoLoUr DoTZ Posted October 5, 2011 Posted October 5, 2011 A good compilation that, at least to me, marks the shift from Goa to Psytrance is Resonance Mood, from Matsuri. And indeed, a couple of the artists mentioned in this thread return here. Check it out! Cool compilation!! I would add Nervasystem, from the artists in that cd, to the list of the ones doing psy from the very begining. Quote
Drosophila Posted October 5, 2011 Posted October 5, 2011 A good compilation that, at least to me, marks the shift from Goa to Psytrance is Resonance Mood, from Matsuri. And indeed, a couple of the artists mentioned in this thread return here. Check it out! TIP Records had a few compilations as well: VA - Phosphorescent (1996) VA - 3D (1997) and later VA - Beyond Colour (1998) and we soundn't forget Orichalcum & The Deviant (1997) and of course Psychopod – Headlines EP (1997) (When talking about koxbox ) Quote
Mickster Posted December 14, 2011 Posted December 14, 2011 Psy Gurus Tsyoshi Suzuki Simon Posford Mark Allen Nick Taylor Gus Till Serge Souque Bilbo Baggins Avi Elgranati Nick Doof Dick Trevor James Munro Colin OOOD Andy Guthrie and of course the KOXBOX and EAT STATIC collectives to name a few.... Quote
psymetal&bass Posted December 14, 2011 Posted December 14, 2011 Wow, so you guys are claiming all the true old "goa" tracks I liked were actually just psy tracks made in the 90s? I consider old IM, Hallucinogen and GMS to be favorites and for once I was CONVINCED they were really goa and not psy. This proves that my "liking"-ratio between psy and goa is almost the same as with drum & bass and jungle (all for drum & bass, none for jungle), although I really love Bypass Unit and Moonweed for goa, or are they also oldschool psy? Quote
radi6404 Posted December 15, 2011 Posted December 15, 2011 Bypass Unit is absolutely Goa IMO, they are ones of the deifinion of goa trance, very melodyc and with goa synths. Quote
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