what if drugs didn't exist???

[Guest Towelie]

"Didn't you ever wonder why only goatrance has so many "feelings" to it: some is dark, some is happy, some is crazy, some is mellow, etc."

 

those feelings are in allmost every kind of music

[Guest Dark clouds]

Yeah lemming ,You go to deep in your imagination about dark and happy psy,me I listen to happy psy when I get good grades in marketing,and dark when my girlfriend throw me away,but not as a sect thing,I am not in a sect nor buddhist,and even happy psy is psycho enough to be the opposition of peace and love,if you want love trance just listen to paul van dyk or dj tiesto whom I like aside psytrance.

You say that we have to try before to say something,I agree fully with you,like these stupids manifestants against war in iraq who didn't know that its people was suffering from dictatorship and all that they have done was to protect french business relations with iraq,BUT here trying to take drugs while listening to music just to see if it feels better,is too risky and dangerous(health and legality) especially for the one who never took drugs,all I can say is that this music and sometimes alcohol are sufficiant for me,so I don't go further,voila

[Guest joanna]

hey..look..

there are some people who go to parties only to take drugs and dance..they dont listen.. i have met that kind off people..and if some time the don't have money to take drugs..the just don't go... at their home the dont listen psychedelic music..you know what am i talking about? for those people i am talking about.. well.. for me...i would like to see people that love music.with drugs or without.. but not this..the best drug is music..then all the othes.. if drugs didnt (exist)for the stupid people parties would be better..and who is smart???i dont know.. maybe this topic is stupid..!!!xa..!!

[Lemmiwinks]

"there are some people who go to parties only to take drugs and dance..they dont listen.. i have met that kind off people..and if some time the don't have money to take drugs..the just don't go... at their home the dont listen psychedelic music..you know what am i talking about? "

 

ah yes, now that's something completely different indeed. I too know a lot of people listening to Eminem and shit when "normal" and only listen to electronica at parties when high. Indeed I'm not very fond of people like that, although I guess we're all free to do whatever we want...

 

SMI²LE

[Lemmiwinks]

"trying to take drugs while listening to music just to see if it feels better,is too risky and dangerous(health and legality) especially for the one who never took drugs"

 

of course Dark clouds, I totally respect your opinion, I'm not pushing anyone to take anything. I was merely saying that you should try it before giving your opinion on the subject. So you can either try it and give your opinion or not try it and not give your opinion. But I don't imply in any way that people who've tried drugs are somehow "superior" to people who never did and don't have the intention of doing drugs.

 

 

SMI²LE

[Guest D-Dave]

I agree fully with Lemmiwinks.

Non-drug users often feel they are missing something and need to justify their viewpoint by making it the more rational and reasonably opinion.

 

I got to agree that you cant fully understand psychedelic music without knowing what a psychedelic state of mind is.

That is NOT to say you cant LOVE the music as much without drugs, but since the music actually is made to take drugs to ( at least the old skool music) you need to be on drugs to understand it.

 

No way you can understand something you have no idea about.

Simple as that.

 

Dont try drugs and you may love the music, which is damn well good enough. But try drugs and you will BE the music...

[Guest Daniel]

"Dont try drugs and you may love the music, which is damn well good enough. But try drugs and you will BE the music..."

 

My favorite "non drug users" response to that is, "well I don't need drugs to BE the music I connect to it like that already"....such utter BS, they have no concept of what "being the music" really is

 

Oh well...music is a great and beautiful thing for drug users and non-drug users, that's why music is so great (especially eletronica) because it's universally enjoyed, with usually no language barriers.

 

Peace!

[Guest Maak ku Paax]

I don't want to argue. No point in doing that, but i would like to share you something guys, I began to love psy trance "without" drugs many years ago, but later I used mind altering substances and herbs with this music we all love so much, and guess what... I saw and felt things that I "always knew" but for some reason I could extend that experience as much as I would like.

"Those who were born blind, one day decided to open their eyes and then things changed forever even if they closed their eyes after the experience."

Can you explain the unknown?

[Guest r2d2]

D-dave, man you know how much I love your music and how much respect I have for you as an artist and your label. I don't know if anyone has ever posted more praises for Schlab as well as said good things to friends offline... but I must say I terribly disagree with you on few points which I will address below.

 

 

>I agree fully with Lemmiwinks.

Non-drug users often feel they are missing something and need to justify their viewpoint by making it the more rational and reasonably opinion.

I got to agree that you cant fully understand psychedelic music without knowing what a psychedelic state of mind is.

 

How can you know that Dave? How can you say that such thing applies to me or other people? I definitely don't understand the logic behind GENERALIZATION you are supporting based on your own experiences and experiences of few people you know.

 

 

 

 

>That is NOT to say you cant LOVE the music as much without drugs, but since the music actually is made to take drugs to ( at least the old skool music) you need to be on drugs to understand it.

 

 

What!!???????? Are you telling me that old school music is made to take drugs to??? Did I read this right? Are you telling me there is ONLY ONE way to understand this music and that is to take drugs? Tell me David am I supposed to take drugs in order to understand your music? If I am, I will never play it again because I will never do drugs.

 

 

 

No way you can understand something you have no idea about.

Simple as that.

 

I will reply to this with one example of a person from a circle of my friends. He is a Yoga teacher, spiritual guide, is heavily into meditation, studies and teaches ancient and alien civilisations. I've heard a lot of interesting things he learned through his experiences and one of them was about drugs. He says that drugs are only shortcuts, only short term solutions, and after a while you (both your body and mind) will hit the wall, or a hurdle you won't be able to jump over because you are falling apart. He suggested some other ways WITHOUT drugs which combine spirituality, meditation etc.

I share that opinion.

 

I can tell you David that you don't understand that, that you'd rather use these shortcuts and short term solutins, but David I will not, because who am I to judge you like that? On the other hand David I feel like you are generalizing, judging me and deeming clueless because I don't take drugs. Frankly, I take it as an insult.

 

 

 

>Dont try drugs and you may love the music, which is damn well good enough. But try drugs and you will BE the music...

 

I'm very dissapointed by this statement David. Not because of its substance, but because it comes from you, the producer whose work I (you very well know this) and many others value. Don't get me wrong, you don't owe me absolutely nothing for liking and suporting your music. I'm expressing my dissapointment because you, as a producer, should have more carefully chosen your words because now many clueless kids that happen to like your work will say "oh yeah man, D-dave is saying I'll BE the music if I do this drug so I'll do it" ....and they will be risking to get addicted because let's face it, most of them have no or little education about drugs leading to all kinds of problems. I'm dissapointed David, but not because you personally do drugs. Just because I like your music, doesn't mean I should expect you to live your life by my standards, I would never do that.

I am dissapointed that you, as a very significant figure in this scene, say such thing and so many young people who in some ways look up to you will definitely misinterpret it.

 

I'm sure you'll notice how many people already justify their drug habits by statements such as "well most imortant artist in this scene like Simon Posford (or whoever) did drugs". I've never understood why would people do drugs because their favourite producer does so, but they do. Do I suggest you totaly shut up and not be yourself? Absolutely not. I'm pointing out that you as as producer have a greater responsibility, and by promoting drugs like you did above you were too careless with your statements.

 

 

 

Well ladies and gentlemen, if you have had a chance to read my posts before, you will know how passionate I was about D-dave, Battle Of The Future Buddhas, and Schalbaduerst Rekkords. Yes, these people are my favourite producers that still release today just like many of you love Simon Posford's work. But will I do drugs because he does? NEVER!

 

I guess I prefer being a leader instead of a follower.

[Guest Maak ku Paax]

I will reply to this with one example of a person from a circle of my friends. He is a Yoga teacher, spiritual guide, is heavily into meditation, studies and teaches ancient and alien civilisations. I've heard a lot of interesting things he learned through his experiences and one of them was about drugs. He says that drugs are only shortcuts, only short term solutions, and after a while you (both your body and mind) will hit the wall, or a hurdle you won't be able to jump over because you are falling apart.

 

R2D2 Don't generalize too, remember that not all drugs are addictive specially some of the hallucinogenic ones, and there's also people who doesn't hit the wall for using this shorcuts you talk about. Every excess is bad for sure. Moderation is the key.

I find interesting both points, but this particular case is something that can't be answered... I belive the best to do is to keep this choice open for everyone, and if someone wants to test the drug choice just remember, always with caution and to be informed of what kind of drug you are playing with, remember, it's your mind!.

[Lemmiwinks]

"drugs are only shortcuts, only short term solutions, and after a while you (both your body and mind) will hit the wall, or a hurdle you won't be able to jump over because you are falling apart"

 

of course of course, but how many people our days have the time to go on top of a mountain and meditate for 20 years?? Like Maak ku Paax said, "Every excess is bad for sure. Moderation is the key." If you start doing 1500 micrograms of acid every day, then yes, you'll be fucked for life, but take, say, 75 micrograms every 2 months and I doubt you'll ever get any damage whatsover, you'll certainly get a lot less than smoking weed and drinking alcohol every day... Now the main aproach IMO is to try psychedellics, see the state of mind you're in when high, and then try to consciously attain the same state of mind when clean. It's not easy, but it's possible, and a LOT easyer (since you already know how it feels when you get there) than trying to reach it without ever doing drugs. Actually if you read Carlos Castaneda's books, you'll see a similar aproach: in the first books, he takes mescaline and such, afterwards, his mentor explains to him that that was only one very direct way to reach those states of mind because he was so hard headed, but that he could've got there by other methods as well if he was more "acceptant".

That's also the reason why IMO you get posts from some people saying that they've been high for like a year or 2 and that now they can dig the music in the same way when clean. I sure hope I'll get there too (again, I'm not adocating drug usage, I'm merely pointing out an example, but whatever floats your boat is fine)

 

SMI²LE

[Lemmiwinks]

oh and after re-reading these posts, I'm getting the feeling that non-drug users who posted here seem to have some inferiority complex which make them become agressive to drug users in their posts. Let me make it clear now: people who do take drugs, simply say that you're missing out on something big, but they don't in any way say that they're superior to non-drug users. You are NOT a better person if you feel the music differently, you just have a new experience, but of course, that says nothing at all on your qualities as an individual. As a parallel, a person who has a car is in no way a superior person to someone who prefers using a bike. It's just different, that's all.

 

 

SMI²LE

[Guest spacemonkey]

cant be bothered to read it all now, (will do later) but lemmi is right.

 

i also have been on both sides, taken drugs, been actively against them and now neutral non taker.

 

goa wouldn't exists without drugs, period.

 

will add more later...........

[Guest ms]

Well, you can be in a very psychedelic state of mind WITHOUT drugs.

It's harder to get there - but you CAN be "one-with-the-music" without external drugs.

First time I went to a real goaparty (Kilsbergen) I was totally straight.

It pretty much changed my life because I went into trance and danced for 8 hours without a pause. I "woke up" in the morning and didn't quite understand how fast the night went. That experience was much alike a drugexperience. Quite fashinating.

 

I have tried E's and schrooms and all that.

But if you know how to be "in-the-other-concsiouness", you can go into that with some other methods like meditation.

 

I respect people who uses psychedelics in a "good" way.

I hope they respect me for NOT taking any substances at parties.

[Guest D-Dave]

r2d2, Emil, you are writing in affect. I did not have you in mind when I wrote what I wrote. I have had so many talks with people who are fanatically against drugs and I was mainly referring to a talk I had with fellow teacher students.

 

What does psychedelic mean?

 

"psy·che·del·ic ( P ) Pronunciation Key (sk-dlk)

adj.

1. Of, characterized by, or generating hallucinations, distortions of perception, altered states of awareness, and occasionally states resembling psychosis.

 

n.

2. A drug, such as LSD or mescaline, that produces such effects."

 

 

If you reach altered states of awareness without drugs, thats truly great. More often than not you need drugs to reach this state. I dont know many people who hallucinated without drugs. I dont know any people who can see yellow sounds without drugs.

Drugs change the way you listen to music, the entire way you conceive it. Can you imagine seeing yellow sounds?

To find out the difference you need to try drugs yourself, since it cant be measured. Not to my knowledge anyway, its a subjective thing.

 

"Are you telling me that old school music is made to take drugs to???"

 

Yes I do. You didnt find many sober people at the goa parties in the mid-90s. No one would complain if you didnt take drugs, of course not, it was just that almost everybody did. As a producer I know that a lot of sounds are in the sounds because they sound special when you take drugs. The typical spiralling sound of goatrance comes from the typical spiral way of thinking when you are on psychedelic drugs.

Certain sounds are in the tracks because they are supposed to give you shivers when you are on E, or to make you boggled when you are on psychedelics. This is a fact. This is certainly the way we composed our earliest music.

Check out these tracktitles from The Yellow LP 1995: "Stimuli", "Lets turn on"and "Drop the bomb", which means swallowing a drug. And someone already mentioned Hallucinogen... I hardly think the name is chosen randomly, just as the track titles depict a factual situation. Ie a dancefloor on drugs!

The night to day journey concept relies on you using psychedelic drugs. At least among the thousands of goafreaks, producers and DJs I met then.

Not so today.

 

"Are you telling me there is ONLY ONE way to understand this music and that is to take drugs?"

 

It seems so. If you want to understand why we use so many effects and build up our songs the way we did, you need to understand how psychedelic drugs work. I find it hard to believe you can reach that understanding by reading about how psychedelics work.

But hey, you dont need to understand something in order to enjoy it.

Whats the problem really? Enjoy the music, or not.

 

"Tell me David am I supposed to take drugs in order to understand your music?"

 

Perhaps. It certainly helps. Im positive you wouldnt have reacted in this way had you tried drugs.

There are 3 types of people who enjoy the Schlab sound.

 

The first and the biggest is the heavy drug users, people who take a lot of psychedelic drugs. I wonder why totally freaked out people like our music so much? Its because they used a lot of drugs. I dont always appreciate this fact, its a bit sad sometimes. Sad because some have taken too many drugs.

 

The second is the people who like maxed out music, who usually listened to even more heavy music before, ie industrial or heavy metal.

 

The third is a category of open minded music lovers.

 

"If I am, I will never play it again because I will never do drugs."

 

Thats your loss (the music - not the drugs) Emil and nothing I can do about.

I cant see though, why you would stop listening to music you like because the opinions of the artists doesnt match yours.

 

 

About my "responsibility". I trust people to think for themselves. I trust people to make personal choices, and whatever they chose, I wont condemn it, unless it harms someone else. Im not gonna tell people not to use drugs, thats their choice to make.

Clueless people will hurt themselves no matter what I say, I believe telling the truth is the best. I am not gonna say something different just because I released a few poorly selling CDs.

 

FYI, I have always carefully read about what I should expect when approaching a new drug, I have checked the doses and I have tried using the experiences to a benefit.

I believe thats the way drugs should be handled.

 

I dont use drugs today, I dont need to. Drugs change the way you listen to music and once you have been at a psychedelic state of mind you can easily return to it.

I think drugs are dangerous and should be used with care and I do think they are extremely bad if they are abused. I dont regret taking drugs but I am not saying it should be used, just as I am not saying it should not be used.

 

Anyway, isnt the key here love of music?

I am happy if people like our music without using drugs. Be happy too Emil.

[Guest D-Dave]

Change " a lot of sounds are in the sounds" to "a lot of sounds are in the tracks"...

[Guest Short Circuit]

...then id invent them.

 

W

[Guest Chrisa]

well my friend joanna we have make that discussion a lot of times...

you know i "love" lsd with a speciall way..i love mushrooms in a special way...

but the truth is that the higher state of halluciation can be reached witout drugs.. even without our relly loved music..

and reaching on that level by this way is what makes you a "clean,beautifull mind"drugs are just "tools"to reach that level or maybe these things about drugs(eventhough i dont like using this word)are all lies..

maybe indian people using them they didn t know shit...

i dont really know..

and what do we truly know?

carlos castaneda used pejiot and dadura too reach the level of being a "warrior" but he could do that without that...it s so comfusing

yes music is a drug

love is a drug

freedom is a drug

nature is a drug

a book can be a drug

everything can be a drug for your mind...

the thing is that in my opinion you can use sometimes you feel you really want these magical recipes of nature or human to use them as too reach to something...

i dont know.. thats what i do...

[Guest r2d2]

>If you reach altered states of awareness without drugs, thats truly great. More often than not you need drugs to reach this state. I dont know many people who hallucinated without drugs. I dont know any people who can see yellow sounds without drugs.

Drugs change the way you listen to music, the entire way you conceive it. Can you imagine seeing yellow sounds?

 

I can tell you that I had some experiences that can be classified in the same category as seeing yellow sounds. It didn't only involve seeing, but also feeling (phisically and emotionally), although not while listening to music.

All of this with no drugs whatsoever.

 

 

 

 

>To find out the difference you need to try drugs yourself, since it cant be measured. Not to my knowledge anyway, its a subjective thing.

 

 

Precisely my point. It's a subjective thing because it's your own experience which doesn't mean the same will work for me or someone else. Right?

 

 

 

 

"Are you telling me that old school music is made to take drugs to???"

 

>Yes I do. You didnt find many sober people at the goa parties in the mid-90s. No one would complain if you didnt take drugs, of course not, it was just that almost everybody did. As a producer I know that a lot of sounds are in the sounds because they sound special when you take drugs. The typical spiralling sound of goatrance comes from the typical spiral way of thinking when you are on psychedelic drugs.

 

 

I think it's pointless to argue this point. Luckily there are some (old school) artists who don't share your opinion. Some of them have tried drugs and decided it wasn't worth it, and some opposed them altogether. I also know there was (or is) a large number of them that share your opinion so no point in denying that.

 

 

 

Check out these tracktitles from The Yellow LP 1995: "Stimuli", "Lets turn on"and "Drop the bomb", which means swallowing a drug. And someone already mentioned Hallucinogen... I hardly think the name is chosen randomly, just as the track titles depict a factual situation. Ie a dancefloor on drugs!

 

 

 

I don't buy this David. Using that logic, Marchaos is some sick serial killer who was drinking one of his victim's blood while making those tracks on Schalb 3. Look at the titles, they will tell you everything right?

 

 

If you look at the cover of Psychedelic Beer 2 CD (High Society), you'll see at the back that it says "just say no to drug hysteria!" Now when you think High Society it certainly comes to mind being high on drugs. Maybe they did drugs, maybe they didn't. Afterall, It's none of my or anyone's business. But they were RESPONSIBLE and cared enough to put "just say no to drug hysteria!" label on their CD. Do I expect you to do the same David? Absolutely not, but I hope you get my point.

 

 

 

"Are you telling me there is ONLY ONE way to understand this music and that is to take drugs?"

 

>It seems so.

 

I don't agree. I think there are many ways to perceive a certain piece of art. As a matter of fact, there are as many ways to do it as people in this world because each one of them will perceive it in their own way. Of course, some people's ways will be more or less similar to others.

 

I must confess it disturbs me that you, the creator of some of the best work

I have ever heard tells me there is only one way to undrestand art.

 

 

About my "responsibility". I trust people to think for themselves. I trust people to make personal choices, and whatever they chose, I wont condemn it, unless it harms someone else. I am not gonna say something different just because I released a few poorly selling CDs.

 

Please David don't downplay the fact that you have much greater influence than for example me, especially on the youngest people in this scene and no one is asking you to condemn anything. There were thousands and thousands ofpeople at the events you played over the years (which you admit above), and you are very likely to have a much larger audiences in future. These kids (certainly not all of them) will inevitably look up to you in some way. Like it or not, you do, and will have an influence on their lives.

It's only up to you to decide what to do or not do with it. You do and will have a power to influence them and with great power comes a great responsibility. You can choose to look away, but they will not. They'll still stare at you with their eyes wide open.

 

 

 

 

> Im not gonna tell people not to use drugs,

 

 

But you sure as hell explicitly advertise them.

 

 

 

 

> thats their choice to make.

Clueless people will hurt themselves no matter what I say, I believe telling the truth is the best.

 

I'm glad you mentioned the truth. You want to tell them the truth David? Why not tell them the truth about sideffects of using drugs? Why not tell the truth what are the signs of addiction? Why not tell them the truth to stay away from driving or operating any kind of machiney that can harm someone while impaired? Why not tell them what does someone look like when they overdose, and when they do overdose or even die what happens to the party, party organisers and the local scene when politicians and police start their witch hunt?......

 

Why not educate clueless without telling them what to do, and then let them decide, instead of looking away and praise great power of mind altering substances?

 

 

 

 

>Anyway, isnt the key here love of music?

 

 

For me it is, I'm not sure about you David.

[Guest ms]

I love the Schlabba-releases and Botfb without drugs - but it took me maybe a year to really appriciate.. But now with Botfb-tracks (demonoizer!!) I really get the shivers - goosebumps and I get in a totally different mood

 

Fuck, now I made myself longing for some forestpartying.. but its 10 degrees outside.

Sometimes Sweden sucks.

[Lemmiwinks]

I think you forgot the most important part in D-Dave's statement, r2d2:

 

"I dont use drugs today, I dont need to. "

 

 

why not think about that?

 

 

SMI²LE

[Guest D-Dave]

Emil... what are you doing?

"I must confess it disturbs me that you, the creator of some of the best work

I have ever heard tells me there is only one way to undrestand art."

 

This totally pisses me off! Where did I say this? You are reading something into my post that isnt even there!

What Im saying is what passed you by here several times, you cant understand an experience when you havent experienced it. Not fully.

How do you explain the color red to someone? By pointing it out, not from words. (These are the words of the philosopher Wittgenstein if anyone cares...)

 

The truth... right.

The truth must include good and bad facts right? I already said I think drugs are dangerous, DID YOU EVEN READ THAT?

You certainly didnt quote anything else but what suited you. Where does this holier than thou attitude come from?

 

I´ve only got one question more to ask you Emil.

Does drugs have any positive effects whatsoever?

[Guest r2d2]

"I must confess it disturbs me that you, the creator of some of the best work

I have ever heard tells me there is only one way to undrestand art."

 

>This totally pisses me off!

 

 

Well boys and girls how many of you have managed to piss off your favourite producer? Although it definitely wasn't my goal, looks like I did

 

 

 

 

Where did I say this?

 

 

Then tell me what do you mean by this:

 

ME: "Are you telling me there is ONLY ONE way to understand this music and that is to take drugs?"

 

YOU: It seems so.

 

If I misunderstood these words, I apologize. To me Goa is art so I don't see much difference between

 

1) "It seems like there's only one way to understand Goa" and

 

2)"It seems like there's only one way to understand art"

 

Maybe I'm missing something. Please explain it to me if you think I am.

 

 

 

 

You are reading something into my post that isnt even there!

 

Ok enlighten me then. I really want to understand you.

 

 

 

The truth... right.

The truth must include good and bad facts right? I already said I think drugs are dangerous, DID YOU EVEN READ THAT?

 

 

Yes I did, and I will tell you that it's definitely overly dispropotional in size and magnitude to the paragraphs you spent on promotion of drugs.

I want to stress one more thing David. I am not telling you what to do, say or live your life. Like I mentioned before I don't expect you to live by my standards. Therefore you certainly have a right to say or not say whathever you want.

 

 

 

You certainly didnt quote anything else but what suited you.

 

You certainly didn't kill yourself quoting me this time either

 

 

 

Where does this holier than thou attitude come from?

 

I'm verry sorry you get the feeling I have "holier than thou" attitude David. Rest assured that I don't think I'am a greater human than you and have a lot of respect for you.

 

 

 

Does drugs have any positive effects whatsoever?

 

Why would you want me to discuss that? You already spent a lot of time covering this subject and I think there is quite enough said.

 

 

Look David. I think we are getting way off topic here but there are still things I want to discuss with you and questions I want to ask. Therefore, I suggest we continue this discussion (of course, in nice and respectable manner) via e mail. I will certainly love to get your reply to this post in an e mail or I can contact you first. Whatever suites you.

 

I'm looking forward to hearing what you have to say.

[Guest D-Dave]

Sure Emil, send me an email if you like. Im gonna answer what you said here anyway, then quit posting on this topic.

 

See this as a rethoric exercise. Read and you might learn something kids. I am a philosophy teacher in high school after all. Or you may simply skip this post since it is long and boring...

 

"If I misunderstood these words, I apologize. To me Goa is art so I don't see much difference between

 

1) "It seems like there's only one way to understand Goa" and

 

2)"It seems like there's only one way to understand art"

 

Maybe I'm missing something. Please explain it to me if you think I am."

 

You´re totally missing the point. Firstly, goatrance and my own music would not sound the same without drugs, period. (This isnt even open to discussion, its too ridiculous to question.)

Music is art for sure, but goatrance in particular in not the same as all other kinds of art.

You make the mistake of an inductive generalization implying that what counts for goa counts for all other artforms. Or one could say you define art as goa, which is also wrong.

 

"The truth must include good and bad facts right? I already said I think drugs are dangerous, DID YOU EVEN READ THAT?

 

Yes I did, and I will tell you that it's definitely overly dispropotional in size and magnitude to the paragraphs you spent on promotion of drugs."

 

Paragraphs of promotion of drugs? Where? You also said I advertise its use.

 

Lets take a look at what I really said shall we?

I said, psychedelic music would not sound the same without drugs.

I stated a few facts about old school psychedelic music which I am entitled to state having been in the scene for a long time, at the core.

I said there is a connection between the themes of the tracktitles producers use and the lives and values of the producers. (Yes, Marchaos likes horror movies, just as TIP, Doof etc did like psychedelic drugs.)

I said the nearly obvious; you have to experience a psychedelic experience if you want to FULLY understand a psychedelic expression. (You need to understand the drug experience if you are to FULLY understand the drug music which is made to take drugs to. Etc etc ad nauseaum)

I said there will be a change in the way you perceive and conceive music when you use and have used drugs.

I said drugs should be used with moderation.

I said I believe drugs are dangerous.

I said I dont use drugs anymore.

I said I wont tell people to use drugs.

I said I wont tell people not to use drugs.

 

WHERE DO I PROMOTE DRUGS?

 

Lets use the analogy of death here.

Lets say I said death shaped the gothic/romantic artform. Would I be pro-death by saying that?

Lets say I said the only way to understand what happens after dying would be to actually die. I hardly think you would accuse me of promoting suicide if I said that?

If I said I wont tell people to commit suicide and I wont tell people to not commit suicide, would you say I advertised suicide then?

 

I can answer it for you. Its a no. FYI, the last is called being neutral.

It seems to me that you are acting hysterically, a victim of moral panic jumping to illogical conclusions.

If you were to be a part of the despicable conservative christian "moral majority" movement I´d understand your reaction. I think you share the same holier than thou attitude. I could give examples of how you put yourself above others, but I will leave that to you to re-read your posts.

 

"I am not telling you what to do, say or live your life"

You ranted about "with great powers come great responsibility". That sounds like a moral invitation to act "morally right" (judged by your standards) to me.

I am not Spiderman, I dont have any great powers.

 

"Does drugs have any positive effects whatsoever?

 

Why would you want me to discuss that? You already spent a lot of time covering this subject and I think there is quite enough said."

 

I very much want you to say something about the positive effects of drugs! I am not sure I said something positive about drugs. I said that you may love the music without drugs and that you will BE the music with drugs. Im not sure which is strongest. No wait, Im sure, love is stronger.

 

I said something about the dangers of drugs. I now add that most drugs have positive effects in the beginning, or people would not be using them. The problem with drugs is that the positive effects can be quickly turned to negative effects. I think most people understand this.

 

I think I have been very neutral, but I have now argued for both sides.

 

Now I want to see you do that too! You should do it publicly.

 

And the conclusion is, I think you got me all wrong.

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"Now I want to see you do that too! You should do it publicly."

 

 

Cool. I think drugs can be useful in treatment of pain of some patients. I'm no expert but seems like they help some people.

 

 

 

 

"And the conclusion is, I think you got me all wrong. :)"

 

 

I'd be happy to realize I did I'll send you an e mail soon.