Guest ninjkate Posted January 20, 2002 Share Posted January 20, 2002 Drugs are drugs and music is music.Drugs is more of a substitute to music in my opinion.I can dance my ass off without any drugs, trance is enough for me to go off and rage..."Acid sound" and "xsound"? He-he, literally speaking...Ill eat some good liqiud though and definitely shrooms..KATE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest vasyachkin Posted January 20, 2002 Share Posted January 20, 2002 ok, never used drugs YET. i did smoke plenty of weed especially when listening to PSY and that's why i want something stronger now. want to try LSD but E is much easier to get here ... is it comparable ? should i try E first ? what is the difference in their effect anyway ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dazze Posted January 20, 2002 Share Posted January 20, 2002 firts off I must say a think drugs are great.I have done my fair share. E, speed, shrooms, acid, 2cb, pot.. and I allways liked E a bit more than the other drugs I've tried. But anyway.. lets get to the point.. I have never been able to really dance while on E.. I just find it difficult. Best way for me to dance is plain sober! Thats way I don't take any drugs at parties.. I rather do then at home with some friends or something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest D-Dave Posted January 20, 2002 Share Posted January 20, 2002 Vasyachkin, it is probably a good idea to try ecstacy first, because it will show you a different world and prepare you (a bit) for lsd. E can be hallucinogenic in high doses, but comparing E and acid is like comparing beer with vodka. It is very hard to tell what to expect when taking lsd, the best thing to bring is a completely open mind and to be in a safe and harmonic environment. The difference in effects are something you should really read about before you go ahead and try. "Know your drugs, know your doses, its elementary" Quote from Brad Pitts character in the 12 Monkeys movie. I dance like a cat in a tuxedo when Im on E, I feel like Im doing really smooooth maneuvers... When on mushrooms I am weightless and no movements cost any energy, same thing on acid. The music tells me where to go and I follow. Just floating along, or flying, or stomping or whatever. Lately though I tend to get bored on acid (!) and to amuse myself I make pantomins, like acting that I am on a day at the office, signing documents, sharpening pens, reading books, filing stuff etc etc etc... But I tend to notice that a healthy life, good exercise, being fit, getting lots of sleep and preparing for the parties really well and eating a lot of energy food stuff at the dancefloor, sugar is fine too, and being sober makes me dance the best, that is when I enter the real trance and its truly great. Drugs are a shortcut and can and have been absolutely fantastic, but I dance more sober. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest psilou Posted January 20, 2002 Share Posted January 20, 2002 i think it's already a very good thing to talk about such topics like we do it here. it's up to every individual to decide under which (brain&consciousness-)conditions it prefers to party! what i like personally is to talk bout this also on parties with people i do not know...as long as everyone can speak open bout it, it's ok! but i must admid that sometimes peoples faces (when they took to much to keep control) scare me a bit. so keep control, whatever you take! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest vasyachkin Posted January 21, 2002 Share Posted January 21, 2002 i see no lsd before xtc )) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest que Posted January 21, 2002 Share Posted January 21, 2002 No, I don't think ectsasy ruins the scene. I definately can appreciate Psytrance on what ever level whether it be on acid or E's. Different drugs provoke different feelings in terms of how you are mentally and physically at a party. The essential point is that you are enjoying your self and not giving off any negative vibes. This is what destroys the scene. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest emk Posted January 21, 2002 Share Posted January 21, 2002 everybody has to search 4 his perfect drug. if it is e, if it is lsd, if it is alcohol, if it is music, ....... you are feeling well :<=> the others feel well about u too ( if u are a person to feel well about :> ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest paddo Posted January 21, 2002 Share Posted January 21, 2002 is it worth it? i used to do it from age 16 - 19...(maybe 70 times) im clean since 2+ years now.. i dont know if its becuz my former E use but i have had some serious depressions during (crash) and after my use. I think its okey if people use it.....but dont overdo it...more is not better.. goddamn i sound like an old man... music is the drug !! peace, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest asman Posted January 21, 2002 Share Posted January 21, 2002 Peoples who use E looks very stupid and act very stupid and they destroy the partys I´m going too.. Ppl who take psychedelic substances look and act strange, not stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Maïa Posted January 21, 2002 Share Posted January 21, 2002 Well...I don't know, I don't like xtc particularly either. I'm glad that I've tried it, and I learned a lot from it, but that's it. I think that most of us know deep down that xtc may be one of the most dangerous drugs out there, so we should treat it with respect. I don't really need any scientific proof to know that ecstacy damages my brain, because I can feel it. You all know what I'm talking about, that feeling you get when you can feel that your head is burning and you're sure that it will explode any minute. If you listen to your body, you'll always know whether something is dangerous for you or not. That's one of the things that acid taught me, that there's always a reason why you hurt. And yeah, I must say I have found some people on xtc a bit annoying sometimes (although speedfreaks are much worse) . Mostly those people that behave really diffrently when they're on it, like people that are NOT loving and compassionate when they're sober, that run around hugging people when they're on xtc. That's being a fake. They should learn to be compassionate and loving in real life instead of relying on some stupid pill, because it's all there inside of us, all the time, if we want it to be. Anyway, I've limited my consumption of this stuff to taking pure MDMA once a year on New Years Eve. That way I know I don't get anything I haven't asked for, like heroin for instance. Yeah, they do put heroin in many brands of xtc, like Mitsubishi for instance. If you can get it I recommend pure MDMA instead of xtc, don't eat crappy pills with all kinds of unknown chemicals in them. In general I just feel that most drugs are completely pointless compared to mushrooms and acid. Why take drugs that make you addicted? Why take drugs that make you feel disconnected ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Psymijis Posted January 21, 2002 Share Posted January 21, 2002 Ecstacy is not for psychedellic , to enjoy ecstasy you need something called euphoria that you can get listening to progressive . So i dont think ecstacy is killing the psychedellic scene , no drugs can kill the psychedellic scene, only cops. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5-HT2 Posted January 22, 2002 Share Posted January 22, 2002 D-Dave, Maïa, Firestorm, psilou, I totally agree with you all! However, I must make some qualifications. As long as you MODERATE your usage of MDMA and make sure to drink enough, keep your body from overheating, etc., it should only cause negligible damage to your brain. First off, make sure it is PURE!!!!!! Pure MDMA gives you a much mellower less cracked-out feeling than pressed pills with god-knows-what in them, and you don't have to worry about potentially toxic drug-drug interactions. Because it takes about two weeks for your serotonin to fully replenish, one should only do MDMA once every two weeks AT MOST, and preferably MUCH LESS frequently. After all, you want the serotonin levels in your brain to return to homeostasis and STAY THERE for a while before you deplete them again. If you want a simple explanation of what MDMA does to your brain, there is an informative slideshow on www.dancesafe.org. The two biggest things that you can do to prevent neurotoxicity/depression from MDMA are: taking 5-HTP and taking something that will block your serotonin reuptake channels after the serotonin has been released. 5-HTP, or 5-hydroxytryptophan, is a direct precursor to serotonin that is available in most health food stores. Take it daily for one week before MDMA, in order to stock up on serotonin, and at least one week afterwards, to replenish it more quickly. 5-HTP has also been shown to ameliorate MDMA neurotoxicity. The best way to block your serotonin reuptake channels (to prevent dopamine and MDMA metabolites from damaging them) is to take an SSRI (Prozac, Zoloft, Paxil) IMMEDIATELY AFTER you have come down (which should be 4-6 hours after taking the MDMA). If you can't get one, then drinking a MODERATE amount of alcohol (one to two drinks) will produce a mild neuroprotective effect, and it will also have the pleasant side effect of bringing back your roll a little bit. Taking antioxidants like vitamin C, alpha-lipoic acid, etc. will further reduce the oxidative stress that MDMA puts on your serotoninergic neurons. Hope I helped you out with all this information, and if you didn't understand any of it, don't hesitate to ask me to clarify. ---Rudi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest D-Dave Posted January 22, 2002 Share Posted January 22, 2002 Thanks, thats great information. I understood nearly all of it since I read things like this before. How do you know it takes two weeks for the serotonine levels to return to normal? Is it generally with individual variations, or is it an estimate or some result from a study? That was what worried me the most when I took E, like how often could I use it? I was just thinking of getting me some tryptophan anyway, do you know if it raises the serotonine level over a long time, so you feel better in the long run? I know it exists in cashew nuts which I like and eat a lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5-HT2 Posted January 22, 2002 Share Posted January 22, 2002 The two weeks figure is a general figure based on scientific evidence from numerous studies, and of course there will be variation between individuals. 5-HTP and L-Tryptophan will raise your serotonin levels in the long run; however, your brain will eventually get used to these supplements and down-regulate its serotonin production, so I recommend a cycle of 2 months of taking 5-HTP, and then a 1 month break. I wouldn't worry about watching your consumption of foods that are rich in tryptophan; its always good to eat a lot of those ---Rudi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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