Ormion Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 I might be generalize, but it's my opinion. I understand that many people don't feel that way. I hate to bring back the cliched old school vs new school discussion, but you see I follow new school since 2003 and Ethereal-Anima Mundi and to be honest 9 years later I haven't see any evolution. At least towards the sound I want. This is why I generalize. It's because I can't find that powerful melodic sound of the old days. About how much danceable newschool is I believe that even people who prefer neogoa over old school will agree that is less danceable. Please feel free to say if I'm wrong. It's sad to listen that you will not write any Goa anymore. But I really have to ask why? Goa scene is stronger that ever. Full On is popular for more than a decade. I don't think it's a new thing that Full On is the primary genre in parties. In fact I see more and more goa acts in festivals line ups. Something that it would sound like a joke 4-5 years earlier. I have all your cds and I found Pathfinder much better than your debut. So personally I don't like seeing you quit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richpa Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 I think proper kicks and basslines can work on the dancefloor very well. For example take the kick and bassline on "Astral Projection - God is a DJ" Very Strong kick that makes you dance in my opinion. Or the Kick and bassline on Hallucinogen - LSD Live Mix, a very good kickdrum for the dancefloor in my opnion. I don't want to be rude but have you heard anything besides AP and Hallucinogen, your every single post ends up with AP. And about newschool Goa Tracks. i think my two songs I produced on soundcloud sound more goa like than most of the newschool stuff out there. You think Wrong. The newschool goa tracks just sound new and not analogue at all. some people say it is because they are produced with the computer, but there are enough virtual synthessizers that can reproduce analogue sounds. Neogoa just is a style with too many sounds playing at one time so it looses clarity and direction to the listener. And yet the Neogoa labels don#t do anything to make the artists produce oldschool Goa again. Personaly I'm giving chance to every artist who subbmit his work to me, and guess what, 95% of thoose 'oldschool goa' artists doesn't know how to properly do mix of it's track, most of them are horribly produced without any flow and that is a fact. Only example that I can think of that is outstanding and who deserves full attention is Crossing Mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richpa Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 Bassline? Well I don't have anything against full-onish basslines in goa trance, after all diversity is a positive thing and luckly we got planty of artists who stick with old ways and plenty of guys who are doing modern type of basslines. My personal favorite is Artha, I really like his basslines, so: Most awesome basslines award: Artha Drumkick of hell award: Sky Technology Melody genius award: Astrancer/Filteria Master of madness award: Filteria Lord of atmosphere award: E-Mantra Euphoria award: Agneton/Nova Fractal Most handsome producer award: Imba/F.Santos My pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ormion Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 Most awesome basslines award: Artha Drumkick of hell award: Sky Technology Melody genius award: Astrancer/Filteria Master of madness award: Filteria Lord of atmosphere award: E-Mantra Euphoria award: Agneton/Nova Fractal Most handsome producer award: Imba/F.Santos My pick. Nice list. My pick would be Most awesome basslines award: Merr0w, Portamento, last two Filteria albums. Drumkick of hell award: Artha Melody genius award: Filteria Master of madness award: Filteria Lord of atmosphere award: E-Mantra Euphoria award: Radical Distortion Most handsome producer award: Imba Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest E-Mantra Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 i knew something is fishyy..Imba the new porn king Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Procyon Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 I read 17 years ago in ID "goa trance is good at one thing, and excels at this thing: to make you dance, hard". This is one of the best definitions of goa trance ever: it is dance music, and should put people to dance. Some neo-goa artists should venture a little bit more in the full-goa territory, they would be more appreciated there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radi6404 Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 Nice list. My pick would be Most awesome basslines award: Merr0w, Portamento, last two Filteria albums. Drumkick of hell award: Artha Melody genius award: Filteria Master of madness award: Filteria Lord of atmosphere award: E-Mantra Euphoria award: Radical Distortion Most handsome producer award: Imba I have never understood why Filteria is so appreciated, to me it is very cheesy and way too overloaded. some people do like filteria, but then again I am not a big fan of Pleiadians. there are a few outstanding tracks, but a lot of cheesy stuff aswell, which I don#t like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penzoline Posted August 17, 2012 Author Share Posted August 17, 2012 yes dude//but u generalize...something like all newschool tracks are not good for dancing..and thats not true anyway..thats why ive decided tostop making goa ..seems people are still conected to oldvibe ...and i totaly understand that fullon is taking most of the scene and these days ...there is no support for upcoming artists because of comments like yours.. if you want to folow my work...i will continue to make some tracks with Eleusyn project probably .. E-Mantra will remain only with chillout... So why did you stop making goa? because critical comments(that you can't handle) or because full-on is where it's at? I can't really make it out from your post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest E-Mantra Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 no reason at all..i would probably do dark ambient..as i listen a lot in this direction.. ive deleted entire what i was wanted to say...i dont' want to start another pointless fight here... its nott good for my mojo ..hehe Peace brothers ...goa spirit upon u all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Procyon Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 I have never understood why Filteria is so appreciated, to me it is very cheesy and way too overloaded. some people do like filteria, but then again I am not a big fan of Pleiadians. there are a few outstanding tracks, but a lot of cheesy stuff aswell, which I don#t like. I tried to play Filteria some times at our lounge, but it just didn't work. I even twitched the Bass control in our sound system to see if there was something that could make tracks "stronger", to no avail. Here's what people really like to hear here. A full-on track, but with lots of goa atmospherics Hypnocoustics - Ashtamangala http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAtdSnQ2nfo And the neogoa style of Nova Fractal is huge success here, people have even asked where they can get his tracks. Of course, I have directed them to the online services. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
technosomy Posted August 18, 2012 Share Posted August 18, 2012 no reason at all..i would probably do dark ambient..as i listen a lot in this direction.. ive deleted entire what i was wanted to say...i dont' want to start another pointless fight here... its nott good for my mojo ..hehe Peace brothers ...goa spirit upon u all dam shame dude, have always liked your stuff, but look forward to some dark ambience Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imba Posted August 18, 2012 Share Posted August 18, 2012 Most Handsome? First WTF, second thanks lol E-mantra you know, fuck the people! You are not DJ Paris Hilton and full on bassline won't help you, btw you are not that handsome as me I tried few times to join classic one note full on bass with my style and it doesnt fits, it lose magic and feeling. With good preset and settings every bass will sound better and have more drive. I don't know, my basses are mostly like this: It is goa right? And if you think that just because bass fullon lovers will dance on your tracks, you should do pure full on + some pop vocals for few folk chicks that came to listen teHno muzik And if someone want to be rich from psy or have enough to smoke all days, so i suggest to open dark psy digital shop, steal profit from artists and such a stuff. Just don't leave goa man, you are so good in that. And you know that i like you and respect and you are my favorite romanian goa porno gypsy king I know i can't betray goa because everytime i want to make some twisted psy it turns to old schoolish goa @theme i love those old schoolish D5 melodies but not bass really, but that is D5 after all PS. I hope this is not too much spam or bullshits but i am such a mood lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest E-Mantra Posted August 18, 2012 Share Posted August 18, 2012 with that G# thats goa alright this bass is fullon pattern with goa notes jaja yes man u the handsome bob but me go to gym everyday and i can kick your ass at this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panoptes Posted August 18, 2012 Share Posted August 18, 2012 And about newschool Goa Tracks. i think my two songs I produced on soundcloud sound more goa like than most of the newschool stuff out there. The newschool goa tracks just sound new and not analogue at all. some people say it is because they are produced with the computer, but there are enough virtual synthessizers that can reproduce analogue sounds. Neogoa just is a style with too many sounds playing at one time so it looses clarity and direction to the listener. And yet the Neogoa labels don#t do anything to make the artists produce oldschool Goa again. You sir are quite confused and wrong on so many levels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reger Posted August 18, 2012 Share Posted August 18, 2012 Well, I wouldnt say full on bassline is bad, as long as it fits the track and elements in the composition complement each other to become something really good and not sounding like its all cliche boring crap. BUT in D5 stuff much of that bassline sounded like over the top "lets just slap this bassline in here" dull and loud out-of-composition trainwreck. Im not asking for something complicated, all I want is "tidy" bassline departments job done the right way and not "lets grab this and throw it in and see if it sticks and lets keep it if it doesnt sound like worst shit imaginable" sound. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ormion Posted August 19, 2012 Share Posted August 19, 2012 I wouldn't call it full on bassline. Yes it's a 16th pattern bass that stays in a key, but many goa artists both old and new use this kind of bass. I agree it's loud in the mix which is imo why most people complain about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Filteria Posted August 20, 2012 Share Posted August 20, 2012 What E-Mantra said. Countries with a big psytrance community, such as Germany or Brazil, do not catch the drift of the goa bassline vibe at all. Getting one quarter of a crowd gently moving on an old or newschool goa-track might already be considered an achievement there. And those who were at Boom will know how initially the energy on the dancefloor boiled down when Filteria started playing after the Psytrance-ish Logic Bomb act...when there's no considerable bass, it's like these partypeople cannot decode the music anymore, like it's just a bunch of random sounds, and they tend to stand still, waiting for another empty bassline-kick moment. Just my thoughts and experiences... Anyway, very happy with the comeback of D5!! I agree to some extent. I've managed to make dancefloors explode both in Brazil and in Germany (actually I think that Germany is listening to everything). Talking out of experience: when I play in big festivals sometimes indeed the energy boils down (just like in Boom after Logic Bomb). But after 15-20 minutes it picks up again and many times surpasses the energy from before. I think it's just that people need some time to get used to the sound simply because it's so different to what was playing before.. If its the lack of bas, the different production or the drugs: That I cannot answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agneton Posted August 20, 2012 Share Posted August 20, 2012 Yes, the second half of the Filteria set was just magical in terms of the crowd's reaction...that gives a lot of hope for the future of newschool And about the people that say it has to do with the oldschool vs newschool argument: please don't do this again ...like if all those happy festival people immediately know the difference between oldschool and newschool...most of them don't even know what oldschool goa is, apart from some names! They just hear it as 'being different from fullon or dark or prog', in my opinion... When Hilight Tribe played on Boom Festival, a bunch of guys behind me was standing still asking to eachother 'what is this kind of music?' and one of them answered very seriously 'i think it's called goa!'. Well, in terms of basslines and kicks they surely lean more towards goa-ish kicks/basses then fullonish stuff. And you could see how the crowd had difficulties picking up that vibe as spontaneously as they would do with fullon basses.(although they did a good effort trying to ). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest E-Mantra Posted August 20, 2012 Share Posted August 20, 2012 i have no ideea about what music /tracks "best then most of goa tracks" you talking here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qa2pir Posted August 20, 2012 Share Posted August 20, 2012 nicey nice, good production, good riffs, spankin bass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuisBSF Posted August 20, 2012 Share Posted August 20, 2012 I would like to add my 2p on the subject of basslines and danceability of neogoa etc. The kickdrum makes the tune tick along, the bassline makes it flow. But what gives a tune both funk, cheek and danceability is in my opinion the third main element to a dance tune, which is the percussion, in particular and at the most basic level, judicious use of hats and snares. I do feel percussion is greatly overlooked in general, and not taken care of as it should. I do like D5's sample. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ollylovesgoa Posted August 20, 2012 Share Posted August 20, 2012 I would like to add my 2p on the subject of basslines and danceability of neogoa etc. The kickdrum makes the tune tick along, the bassline makes it flow. But what gives a tune both funk, cheek and danceability is in my opinion the third main element to a dance tune, which is the percussion, in particular and at the most basic level, judicious use of hats and snares. I do feel percussion is greatly overlooked in general, and not taken care of as it should. I do like D5's sample. I agree, and particularly look for emphasis on hi-hats in anything that calls itself Goa. Those racing, open hi-hats really increase the intensity and somehow add a rythmic dimension to the music that just begs the crowd to dance, e.g: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gok8yZ2fccI At 00:40 they kick in, and listen to how loud they are, not to be swallowed by any surrounding layers. The tempo of the beat doesn't change but the hi-hats tighten everything up producing a sensation of increased speed, thus intensity and therefore dancing! (As a side note this track is fucking magnificent, a blinder in aggressive, warped and crowd pleasing Goa). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Procyon Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 What E-Mantra said. Countries with a big psytrance community, such as Germany or Brazil, do not catch the drift of the goa bassline vibe at all. Getting one quarter of a crowd gently moving on an old or newschool goa-track might already be considered an achievement there. And those who were at Boom will know how initially the energy on the dancefloor boiled down when Filteria started playing after the Psytrance-ish Logic Bomb act...when there's no considerable bass, it's like these partypeople cannot decode the music anymore, like it's just a bunch of random sounds, and they tend to stand still, waiting for another empty bassline-kick moment. Just my thoughts and experiences... Anyway, very happy with the comeback of D5!! That is not accurate. As a DJ I have put people to dance to new and old Goa here in Brazil. It is a matter of bass and kick, MWNN style makes people dance with enthusiasm. AP, Chi-ad, MFG...I have seen psy-trance tracks sending people to the bar. It is not a matter of style, but of music with power bass and kicks. Wanna have your tracks being played more and get positive feedback from DJs ? Then stop making soft goa for the small crowd and make Goa with full on elements. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedDog Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 Gret stuff cant wait to mix those tracks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest E-Mantra Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=db1FI18tBng Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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