exotic Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 Was at a friends place last night and I met a hard core rock fan, tattooed all over , nice guy , not aggro like some metal fans i know. He had come for the Slayer concert and hasnt returned to his home town coz where i stay is the hub of the rock /heavy metal scene, He showed me a documentary called "Heavy" , four episodes about the origin of metal starting with bands like Black Sabbath , WASP , twisted sister , Judas priest and then going onto Motley Crue , Van Halen and stuff. I have to say that i have been pretty ignorant about rock and he kept pulling my leg about being a retarded electronic music fan, i mean after watching the documentary i thought to myself "Not bad at all, that's pretty bad ass" This morning I downloaded British Steel by Judas priest which is playing right now and i have to admit this is damn awesome !!! The max i heard was Iron maiden and some Black Sabbath ... I just wanted to know any metal fans here and what is your opinion about PSY vs Metal , i know apples and oranges but as its common knowledge that metal has the most loyal and dedicated fan base . I mean Judas has 39 million plays on last.fm , i dont know any psy artist that has so many plays ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
technosomy Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 love it love it love it, to be honest i not that into british steel, try sad wings of destiny and my favorite defenders of the faith, true balls to the wall british metal from 1984! and if you seen the movie rock star you will know what i mean (loosely based on judas priest) love all genres from sabbath through to nwobhm to thrash death metal, black etc. metal does indeed have the most loyal fan base from the music to the look and beyond, as it's origins and now very underground still for alot of subgenres. it's extreme, that's why i love goa/psy so much and others (hard house/trance) just full on and thrash it, it's a great way to let out aggression and built up angst, and often touches on subjects others won't, but are so relevant to what's going on, especially for young people, its melodic as hell, and the most successful artists such as priest and my favorite of all time iron maiden care about their fans! i would check out this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metal_Evolution by far the best doco ever done on metal, so dam researched it's rediculous, sam dunn is the man, and should have a doctorate! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exotic Posted December 10, 2012 Author Share Posted December 10, 2012 Surely gonna get them both, im already a fan!!! Would love to explore more , i just cannot believe that i haven't these guys before . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
technosomy Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 from their first (rocka rolla) much slower, but still really good, to sin after sin, then sad wings started to really change for them, it's such a good album. also check out screaming for vengeance which was the start of their heavier sound, then defenders of the faith came out not long after. would recommend this compilation http://www.discogs.com/Judas-Priest-Metal-Works-73-93/master/26278 also check out painkiller and.......... oh fuck just listen to the lot. don't usually say this, but there are some good discogs on pirate bay, will give you a good overview of their developing sound, then you can buy the albums you like. i got all their albums on cd and vinyl. where are you from they have been touring your way if you in europe, but that leg all done i think i am waiting for them to come back next year, have only seen them once and was amazing! wasp also touring, don't miss out on them they are unbelievable live, and this will probably be the last time blackie and the boys do a tour like this! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
technosomy Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 ha love your play list, it's like how mine is usually, but mine a bit more eratic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sideffect... Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 I used to be a heavy metal fan. My first cd's I bought when I got at the age of buying cd's where Iron maiden and I still have those. Heavy metal is good but I couldn't resist the more aggressive metal released back then so I started listening very fast to heavier stuff like "Life of Agony", "Pantera", "Sepultura", "Biohazard", "Nirvana" etc... After that I even started enjoying symphonic black metal like "Cradle of Filth", "Dimmu Borgir", Amorphis". So nowdays It happens that I put on some "Slayer", "Black Sabbath", or "Iron maiden" but that's rare. I still prefer the more aggressive direction. Life of Agony, River runs red is always on my mp3 player. Considering the metal vs psy... Well it's great to hear guitars in goa like Sun project but I never liked the remixes. There is only one rmx that imo succeeded & that's the Metallica rmx and yes don't shoot me, Skazi did that! (IIRC) He was pretty good with combining psy with guitars in his first album, later on he sucked huge... There exist a documentary called "The seven ages of rock", very interesting if you would love too see more about the evolution of rock entirely and there good unreleased footage in it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richpa Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 Mostly I listen to: DEATH METAL (technical, progressive, melodic): Nile, Behemoth, The Black Dahlia Murder, Psycroptic, Job For A Cowboy, The Faceless, Neuraxis, Fallujah, Vale Of Pnath, Suffokate, Melechesh, ExDeo, The Red Chord, Arch Enemy, etc. FOLK METAL (pagan, neo, viking, blackened): Izmoroz, Leshak, Eluveittie, Kopriklaani, Stribog, Beer Bear, Heathen Foray, Yonder Realm, Fenrir, Ekho, Svartsot, Duhki Predkov, Natural Sprit, etc. BLACK METAL: Zgard, Dimmu Borgir, Immortal, Árstíðir Lífsins, Mgła, Helrunar, Stonehaven, Rotting Christ, Abigail Williams, etc. PROGRESSIVE/EXPERIMENTAL: Opeth, Amogh Symphony, Between The Buried And Me, Genghis Tron, Paria, War From A Harlots Mouth, Harlots, The Crinn, The Human Abstract, Arsonist Gets All The Girls, etc. DEATHCORE/METALCORE/NWOAHM: Whitechapel, Sucide Silence, Chimaira, Lamb Of God, DevilDriver, Signal The Firing Squad, Carnifex, Parkway Drive, Unearth, Hell Within, Aegaeon, Oceano, All Shall Perish, etc. THRASH METAL/GROOVE: Metallica, Testament, Pantera, Cavalera Conspiracy, Muncipal Waste, God Forbid, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Procyon Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 Errr...There's also the 80s hair bands - despised by HM purist fans, but loved by a huge fan base. Me among them. Just yesterday was listening to Def Leppard while driving. Amazing falsettos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
draeke Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 Interesting topic, I was a heavy metal fan before discovering goa trance and I think there are quite some similarities between guitar solos and certain riffs and the psychedelic swirling patterns of the synths in goa trance so by all means you may enjoy some of it even if u are a purist into electronics, a good culture of different musical genres is always nice. I would recommend the following bands/albums (my fav. for every band, but for most of these bands is hard to decide, many excellent albums): Amorphis - Elegy Angra - Holy Land Blind Guardian - Imaginations From The Other Side Burzum - Filosofem Dream Theater - Falling Into Infinity Edguy – Kingdom Of Madness Guns N Roses - Appetite For Destruction Helloween - Better Than Raw Iron Maiden - The Number of the Beast Manowar - The Triumph Of Steel Metallica - The Black Album Mortiis - Keiser Av En Dimensjon Ukjent (not really metal but well I group it there) My Dying Bride – The Angel And The Dark River Nirvana - Nevermind Offspring - Ixnay On The Hombre Ozric Tentacles - Curious Corn Rage Against The Machine - Rage Against The Machine Well some are a bit more Rock and Punk but you got the idea... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sideffect... Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 Your list is good draeke, I was also a metal fan before I discovered goa. And I also believe that the symphony, synths are likewise in experience. I prefer "Tales From The Thousand Lakes" from Amorphis and "Like gods of the sun" of my Dying bride... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veracohr Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 I've been a long-time metal fan, since long before I even liked any kind of electronic music. I don't really have a broad library though, same as with psy. Since getting into trance and then goa/psy, my love of metal hasn't really diminished or anything. There was a span where I wasn't really looking for new artists, but I never stopped listening to what I had. In the last 5 years or so I've gotten re-interested in new metal (new to me, anyway). As for metal vs. psy, I hear some similarities in rhythm between metal riffs and certain goa/psy synths (not bass). Maybe some similarities in scale/key on occasion too. Some of my favorites: Gojira Pantera Sepultura Lamb of God Slayer Amon Amarth Opeth Malevolent Creation Metallica (early) Iron Maiden (some) Wolves In The Throneroom And if you want to count other hard stuff that isn't exactly 'metal' as considered by the metal community: Rage Against the Machine Botch Neurosis Isis (earlier stuff is harder, but I love it all) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mephistopheles Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 I used to be a "heavy metal" fan as well ... but first of all, let me state that I do not consider Iron Maiden or Manowar or Judas Priest as Heavy Metal but as Hard Rock .... Also, I know a lot of "heavy metal" fans who can enjoy goa .... why that is, I do not know .... is it because they are both "extreme" music? Nice to read some fine groups in the lists stated above Personnaly I still like: Biohazard Pantera My Dying Bride ==> Turn loose the swans!!!! Opeth ("I am counting noctunal hours, drowned visions of haunted sleep" .....) Life of agony Metallica (up to the "black album) Agaloth Type O Negative Of course there's also always AC/DC ...... Don't know about any similarities between goa and metal though .... but I do know I like the emotion and poetry in most songs of Opeth and My Dying Bride .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veracohr Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 I do not consider Iron Maiden or Manowar or Judas Priest as Heavy Metal but as Hard Rock .... Ah, but they are indeed part of heavy metal's history! If you were a Maiden fan in the eighties, you were a heavy metal fan! And Judas Priest! They're one of the godfathers! Like all music, metal has evolved. Black Sabbath isn't that 'heavy' today, but in the 70's they sure were! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
technosomy Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 Ah, but they are indeed part of heavy metal's history! If you were a Maiden fan in the eighties, you were a heavy metal fan! And Judas Priest! They're one of the godfathers! Like all music, metal has evolved. Black Sabbath isn't that 'heavy' today, but in the 70's they sure were! hell yeah i bought the killers album in 1982!, i was 7 years old, and that kicked it off, was number of the beast after that, and the explosion came, when slayers show no mercy, and venoms black metal came out. maiden, priest etc are classed as the new wave of british heavy metal, but more maiden as priest were already established by late 70's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
technosomy Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 so........... alot of metal headz here, what's the link? is it the extremity of the music? is it wanting to stare away from the mainsteam ie underground? or is it wanting to be part of a movement? or something else Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
technosomy Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 Errr...There's also the 80s hair bands - despised by HM purist fans, but loved by a huge fan base. Me among them. Just yesterday was listening to Def Leppard while driving. Amazing falsettos. hell yes, i was a ratt fan back in the day as well as twisted sister was one of the first albums i bought. everyone into metal has to watch metal evolution! it connects the dots to everything. best doco i have ever seen! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veracohr Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 I've seen this somewhere before, seems like it was here on Psynews, where people talked about parallels between metal and goa. Or at least about metal fans also liking goa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sideffect... Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 hell yeah i bought the killers album in 1982!, I still have that album original, we have the same age , It wasn't Bruce Dickinson back then who was singing but another guy (forgot the name, sounded Italian IIRC) EDIT: "Paul Di'Anno" I liked his voice and the fact that you could hear the specific tune when they changed pedals while playing solo's on their guitars. Priceless! My nephew who was 16 years older then me introduced me into heavy metal, I was sold instantly... I remember almost being kicked out of school (catholic) when I was 14 for wearing a Cradle of Filth t-shirt printed with "Dead girls don't say no", and a huge painting of 2 female zombies fucking each other . What a blast! I tend to disagree that they are not heavy metal, back then that kind off rock was the most heaviest, therefore heavy metal, later on that changed off course and more tuffer/harder metal was produced like black/death/garage/hardcore/street etc... But that doesn't mean history changes and it suddenly becomes hard rock. It's the new generation that has the obligation to adjust and not the pioneers or the previous generation imo... Otherwise it doesn't add up anymore, we have no chronology... And I do believe a lot of metal fans started liking goa because metal has many symphony elements, simple ones like "a guitar solo", that pattern is very close to how certain 303's move... And then we have the piano, synths, melody, the fact that metal can rise like goa does and it's strength. The revelation experience, higher and higher what heavy metal is also all about, just like lot's of goa. There's a huge list of examples to prove that. Amorphis - black winter day (perfect melody) My dying bride - a kiss to remember (the begin solo) Iron maiden - run to the hills (that's getting higher and higher) Iron Maiden - where eagles dare (the instrumental part is pure art and endless) All on youtube... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Procyon Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 I've seen this somewhere before, seems like it was here on Psynews, where people talked about parallels between metal and goa. Or at least about metal fans also liking goa. I think the link is that a lot of old school goa writers were from heavy metal bands. I read once that all members of The Green Nuns of the Revolution came from a - horrible - metal band. Also, most psy-guitars artists do have a foot in the rock territory - which is great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sideffect... Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 Aren't one of the members of Etnica or maybe all of them also members of the psychedelic rock band "Ozric Tentacles"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richpa Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 Sorry for interrupting awesome chat here about how Iron Maiden is or isn't heavy metal. Proceed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
technosomy Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 i remember reading that dave young was in a black metal band or close to it before forming chi-ad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
technosomy Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 maiden are metal all the way, or nwobhm if you want to spot it, but they did have some punk elements to there music in the first 2 albums, bruce knocked the shit out of that, and the beast was spawned Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
technosomy Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 Sorry for interrupting awesome chat here about how Iron Maiden is or isn't heavy metal. http-~~-//www.youtube.com/watch?v=zu5bh4yUMT0 Proceed. nice, not heard them before Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exotic Posted December 12, 2012 Author Share Posted December 12, 2012 where are you from India, slayer was here a month back and then guns and roses last week. its a pity only Axl came along with some new band members, i didnt go being a huge fan of slash. I wish i had got into metal the way some people here were before they got into psytrance. i used to listen to pet shop boys , madonna , chicane and michael jackson although i was aware of nirvana , iron maiden but never really heard them with the ear that i now hear heavy metal and rock. btw i got the judas albums you recommeded, really cool. They were on the softer/lighter side with their first few albums it seems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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