Guest PsyHeaD Posted October 13, 2003 Share Posted October 13, 2003 i just read in a goa site(dont remember which 1)thats the song by KLF-what time is love was one of the first goa track in the psy history. i need confirmation,does anybody here think its true? if No then, what is the first goa track officially?!?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Adz Om Posted October 13, 2003 Share Posted October 13, 2003 i think what they were saying is it was the first Anthem that was being played at the trance parties in Goa at the time. there not saying its 'Goa Trance' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Duodenum Posted October 13, 2003 Share Posted October 13, 2003 listen to the "pure trance" mix of "what time is love". it IS goa trance, but it lacks a good kick drum. still.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Towelie Posted October 13, 2003 Share Posted October 13, 2003 where is the line when something is goatrance or not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mugge Posted October 13, 2003 Share Posted October 13, 2003 Why does a track need a strong bassdrum to be a proper psytrack? A long time ago there was a lot of good tracks that didn't have the loudest bassdrum in history of mankind, but still they where very good trance / goa tracks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemmiwinks Posted October 13, 2003 Share Posted October 13, 2003 "goatrance" was a trendy term coined by mostly british lables selling out the music that was played in Goa in the early 90s. So of course music that was played before 93- 94 wasn't officially called "goatrance" because noone thought of the term yet!! But that doesn't mean in any way that it's less "Goa trance" (as in the trance played in Goa) than later stuff. IMO yes, What Time is Love was a pretty influential track that inspired much of what was later called "goatrance". So it wasn't realead by Blue Room or Dragonfly, so what? Another "not goa but Goa" track is A Split Second - Flesh done in... 1987!!! This one's labelled "industrial" because it was released on an industrial label (although I haven't heard a single industrial track that sounded even remotley like it, even by A Split Second themselves!!) but listen to the first notes and you'll instantly see where groups like Astral Projection got their inspiration from... SMI²LE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MWNN Posted October 13, 2003 Share Posted October 13, 2003 Lemmiwinks what you said just make perfect sense. i know the song "what time is love" a really long time and i always thought it sound goa to me,we have to remember that it was like 87/88 when the scene just started too.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jeff Posted October 14, 2003 Share Posted October 14, 2003 PsyHeaD, I guess you read it on my website (http://perso.wanadoo.fr/psychedelic_trance). DeathPosture made some promotion here about it a few days ago. Not much to add about what I said in my essay and what Lemmiwinks and others said just above. 1. @ Adz Om : I was saying that it was the first track to sound "Psy trance" as we know it today. Still, you're certainly right, it is highly probable that it was played on the shores of Goa at the time. 1. As Duodenum pointed out, it is the "Pure Trance version" which I referred to, not the more commercial one you may have heard on the radio or on MTV. 2. I'm with Mugge : a track doesn't need a heavy bassline to be psychedelic. This is quite a recent phenomenon actually. 3. @ Lemmiwinks : I listened to "A Split Second - Flesh" a few times. The melody sounds trancey to my ear, but not so much psychedelic. Anyway, the Indus influence was huge in the early Psy scene, that's a fact. > what is the first goa track officially?!?! You can have a look at here to find some elements of response. J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest PsYHeaD Posted October 14, 2003 Share Posted October 14, 2003 yep,thats was the site alright. about the isratrance forum,it just show that there's alot out there that really wanna know what was the first track ever.... again J really nice job on the site,its necessary to learn the heritage of the psy scene in more deep information which i find excellent in your site.. keep up the love.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemmiwinks Posted October 14, 2003 Share Posted October 14, 2003 BTW the video from the long version, which was VERY rarely shown on MTV, is a fucking killer!!! You basically see during more than 7 minutes a car going from the top of the screen to the bottom. It starts going at "normal rate", then slows down untill it stops, then it picks up movement again sloooowly and during the whole 7 minutes you wonder "is this car moving or not"? IMO it really reflects the effects when on psychedellics. Damn, I miss that video!! SMI²LE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest djcl.ear Posted October 14, 2003 Share Posted October 14, 2003 KLF and Goa trance?!?! This is a good question... Apart from the chillout CD, that applies for the 1 ambient CD class. I have heard of a whole album project called "Space" around 1990 with JCauty, Orb's, Youth that never got proper release. Any comments on this CD?. Also remmember (i have it somewhere) an article at Ajo Blanco magazine 90-91 where KLF where doing the odd promotion while searching into the ritual aspects of burning a structure on a lost island after a long journey... followed by a concert hours later...Not sure what it meant, and probably neither them knew exactly what they were looking for... ...or the Mu story, or their anticopyrights campaing... And yes, the "What time is love" Original mix, is probably one of the first ones. I think it was released at 1988?. Actually it uses the panning and effects over the hihats in much clever ways than many famous later psy-acts. If people listens to this track, a lot willl be surprised and many will learn a lesson or two. If... 1983's Monsoon's "Ever so lonely" instrumental mix doesnt qualify as Trance. This one did it -overtly- to me. There was not instrumental versions of "I feel love" by G.Moroder and DSummer, and in that case this one would had been the first one.... 1975 However, I strongly recall other GMoroder album by his group called Munich Machine from 1978 and a long instrumental electronic dance track called "La nuit blanche". This had a trance inducing effect on me, full on electronics, long reverbs/delay, build up, etc... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basilisk Posted October 14, 2003 Share Posted October 14, 2003 Sorry, I don't buy it. After hearing the pure trance mix of that KLF song I could only think - jeez, this is GOAT trance, not Goa trance! They got it wrong! baaaaa-a-a-ah! I heard reports that Prana's Scarab was originally produced circa 1992, this true? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jeff Posted October 14, 2003 Share Posted October 14, 2003 GOAT trance ???? What is this all about ???? Don't know for Prana, but there were already lots of tracks produced in 1992 which qualified for the "Goa Trance" label (The Infinity Project, SFX, Eat Static, The Overlords..., and a few singles, by Juno Reactor (Jungle High) or E-Rection ( Smoke my Dang-A-Long) for instance). J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemmiwinks Posted October 14, 2003 Share Posted October 14, 2003 oh and let's not forget that the KLF were MASSIVELY influenced by the psychedellic culture (after all, they took their name from a RA Wilson book!!) so I suppose that there are many more "hidden links" between Goa and KLF... SMI²LE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mars Posted October 14, 2003 Share Posted October 14, 2003 That's amazing, i read the essay on this site yesterday, and i was also surprised to see a reference to this FLK song. Imo that's a matter of tastes to qualify it as psytrance or not. we are swimming into massive subjectiveness in this post )) Being already into techno musics by 1990, i think there were psy influences all around the scenes in the early 90's. More than influences, actually : early Juno reactor or SFX are good examples. Personnally i see no offical psy music before 1991. The official (commercial) begining being in 1993. Before that...hmmm hard to tell. In france, the first parties organized by TBE (a big psy parties organizer here) were in 1990...i saw the flyers. I heard some recordings of some sets and it was mainly a gathering of several tracks selected for their "special" content. Very subjective too. Well, even Yello guys from CH had psy influences...they are older than KLF. I should listen to them again and watch the releases dates to tell. I havent the cds here, so if anyone has a fresher remembering about their releases...don't hesistate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Adz Om Posted October 15, 2003 Share Posted October 15, 2003 hey Jeff, nice essay:) i have read somewhere else that Goa Gil used to drop this KLF track in his sets, when he finally started playing electronic stuff...but who knows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Blaaargh Posted October 15, 2003 Share Posted October 15, 2003 Yeah and thats just it, when he FINALLY started playing electronic music. Never forget that Goa Gil was totally opposed to the electronic music when it first came along to Goa. He was a rock´n´roll dude who only jumped the bandwagon later on. Guys like Ray Castle and a few others started playing the stomping industrial and new beat sound and used instrumental remixes and copied and pasted the music they liked on portable and pitchable cassette players. They started the electronic dance movement in Goa. Goa Gil is a fraud. Its really funny to see him consider himself a sadu. Err no way dude. Not with that fat belly. Not without being a hindu. Fuck the fucking fuckers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mugge Posted October 15, 2003 Share Posted October 15, 2003 Fuck the fucking fuckers... lol, havn't heard that one in a long time, but i agree...;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basilisk Posted October 15, 2003 Share Posted October 15, 2003 Well, aren't there goat samples in that pure trance mix? or sheep or something? it cracked me up when I was trying to sit through it... Look - its pretty easy to identify proto-trance and proto-Goa... you know, music with a beat and a bit of that trance feel. There's plenty of that in the 80s and though most of it was short and arranged around the vocals you can still find instrumental pieces... but they didn't yet have that Goa sound to my ears, which is why I tend to peg things as starting off a little later. Something like Doof's Indisposable Hymns to the Infinite (1993) is certainly electronic, most likely trance, but questionably 'Goan'. If Scarab truly originates from '92 I'd give it the honour of 'first Goa track' mainly because it is so distinctly Goan - no other way of looking at it. Those beats, that infectious didge, those melodies - its GOA! No question about it. Music is for discussion anyhow it's all a matter of taste and opinion. No one is right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dexter Posted October 16, 2003 Share Posted October 16, 2003 hey mate i kind off believe you as i sometimes wonder the same that Goa gil seems to be a kind of quack when it comes to he being a sadhu coz i am from india Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dexter Posted October 16, 2003 Share Posted October 16, 2003 Although on Gils website it says that he's got recognized by the Akhadas that is sects of which he is a sadhu...........as in he's got a written documentation..........but then in India any documents can be purchased if you have got the dough including passports license and other important documents HEHEHEHEH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bla bla Posted October 16, 2003 Share Posted October 16, 2003 Goa Gil is shite...Anyway whos remebers Liasons D - Heartbeat, very simillar to KLF - what time is love Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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