Guest tsuki Posted November 16, 2003 Share Posted November 16, 2003 one simple word.. awesome track!!!!! epic.. spiritual.. very beautiful! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest --==1400MiLeS==-- Posted November 17, 2003 Share Posted November 17, 2003 Lovable stuff indeed...Kinda 'Herb Garden' meets Old Skool Goa. Damn, two of my fav trax of the year, JR&DD-Navras and Fluke-Zion, are on OSTs for a hollywood movie trilogy...:S Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Kristian Posted November 17, 2003 Share Posted November 17, 2003 Didn't like it especially much... Don't think it was suitable with indian (Goan) hymns in a sciencefictionmovie (eventhough I love Goamusic).. I think Mona Lisa Overdrive is 10 times better for a movie like The Matrix. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tsuki Posted November 20, 2003 Share Posted November 20, 2003 i didnt care for the damned sucky movie!! i cared for the epic artists of juno reactor with their spirituality that loads of artists are missing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jeff Posted November 20, 2003 Share Posted November 20, 2003 "Don't think it was suitable with indian (Goan) hymns in a sciencefictionmovie" Goan hymns ? You're probably talking about the excerpts from the Upanisads. Out of place references ? It depends : some argue, not without reason, that the gist of the Matrix trilogy deals with hinduism. See this article for instance (sorry, should be in the off topic section) : "First off, for anyone who's comparing Neo to Christ, Neo isn't Christ. He isn't any divinity. He represents 3 divinities from 3 major faiths but to say he represents only Christ is pretty ethnocentric and ignorant, IMHO. I honestly believe that the Matrix trilogy's major source of influence is Hinduism. Truth be told, Hinduism has MANY of the same elements as Christianity. The whole Noah's Ark thing? It's part of Hindu mythology as well. As well as the whole Adam and Eve story. In fact, I've read that there are quite a few similarites between Jesus, and Krishna (a Hindu god, another incarnation of Vishnu actually). By the way, if you look in the Animatrix, the Second Renaissance, look at who's the narrator of the story. It's Lakshmi, she's sitting on a lotus of 8 petals (signifying the path to enlightenment, I'm not too sure, but I think that's what it symbolizes). Another point I'd like to make is this: Brahma, Vishnu, Shiva, all the same god. Hinduism is misunderstood as a polytheistic religion, but it really is not. Another point I'd like to make is regarding the format of the trilogy: The first movie plays up the Christianity angle (Buddhist and really Hindu elements are also quite obvious in this though). The second movie rejects this destiny, and plays up the Buddhist angle (Hindu element is very obvious since Buddhism came out of Hinduism, but reached a different conclusion: that everything ends in cycles, no beginning, no end). At the end of the second, this destiny is rejected though when Neo returns to Zion. However in the THIRD one, it's Hinduism that's played up (Rama Kandra is a Hindu incarnation of Vishnu, who took one wife, practiced dharma, and lived by the laws of karma). In the Superbrawl, there is a song played: right out of the Upanishads, Hindu texts, in Sanskrit. At the same time, the very conclusion that Neo reaches is a Hindu one. Everything that has a beginning must have an end. Including all of God's incarnations (which Neo is, and IMHO, he represents Vishnu in the last one, while he represented Christ and Buddha in the previous 2 respectively). At the end of his destiny, he fulfills all 3 destinies: He sacrifices himself for humanity (Christ), he leaves all his friends aside and is even prepared to leave Trinity behind but doesn't have to in the sake of fulfilling his destiny (Buddha), and he fights Smith (who represents Shiva in the Superbrawl since his purpose is to destroy and he did come out of Neo, the protector now of the Matrix, just like Shiva came out of Vishnu). When he accepts his own mortality, it's fulfilling the Vishnu prophecy, where his code/spirit goes back into the Source along with Smith's code. When the Oracle says that we may see Neo again, she's referring to re-incarnation, which is again what Vishnu does whenever there's trouble. When Sati raises the sun it's the beginning of a whole new age, again a Hindu concept where time is divided into yugas, and in each step or yuga man comes closer to God. Remember in Revolutions, Rama Kandra is the first program to exhibit love, which is a human characteristic. So, programs are coming closer to humanity shown by way of an incarnation of Vishnu (Rama Kandra). So my theory is that a whole new series of Ones come and go, until the programs are ready to take the next step in evolving into humans. That's when the next age ends and a whole new age begins, and that's when Neo truly reincarnates along with Smith to do battle once again. As for Zion being real, yes, it is real within the context of reality. However, I still believe it falls under the Blink of Vishnu rule. Remember, in the first movie, Cypher says that the Matrix can be as real as the real world. When we see the Matrix we define its unreality by what humans can and cannot do there. However, Neo's powers have transcended the boundaries of the Matrix, crossing over into the real world (however logically). This is meant to imply, along with the fact that programs are evolving (Rama Kandra again), that Cypher was right all along. Reality is a matter of perception and not an absolute truth. Rama Kandra's actual presence (the very fact he is a Hindu incarnation of Vishnu) suggests Blink of Vishnu as well. Many people define Blink of Vishnu as a Matrix within a Matrix, but that's being incredibly shortsighted not to mention a rather elementary grasp on the whole concept. In Blink of Vishnu, it is not a boxes within boxes kind of concept rather than a concept in which reality is really illusory (Vishnu's dream where he dreams of thousands of universes created and destroyed within the blink of an eye), that man rejected pleasure that God wished to give him (what was once thought to be Gnostic Christianity, IMHO, is really all related to Blink of Vishnu), and defined his existence through suffering. Vishnu comes down to earth in various incarnations to teach humans how to become closer to god (like Rama Kandra is there to show programs how to become more human, because humans are equated with gods in the Matrix trilogy while programs are equated with humans). IMHO, I think the strongest connections to the Matrix trilogy lie in Hinduism. There are definitely Christian and Buddhist elements, and I see those, but the very concept of the trilogy and the stuff I've listed above lead me to conclude this." J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bahamut Posted November 23, 2003 Share Posted November 23, 2003 about the track Navras... it's nice, but I think he/they wanted to put too much into one track it sounds a bit messy here and there, some parts even seem a little out of sync... also some of the sudden transations are a little awkward. but I bet it's absolutely great when watching the movie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tsuki Posted November 30, 2003 Share Posted November 30, 2003 Jeff!! Really liked your philosophical view about the movies. thanx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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