Guest Gore Posted December 17, 2003 Share Posted December 17, 2003 Well, i think that everybody can agree with me that things are changing in this world. One generation supersede another one. Music is people and people are music. The Boom for goa trance music was during the 1992-1997. And for most of the mature music producers of todays had their 1st experiance of touching something undiscovered and giving the way to their unconscious flows during that period. Goa trance is now in the past - it is much more psychedelic sounds - much more disharmony and much of cacophony than it used to be. Goa trance was a real music gener - based on music making rules which bring harmony and association. Nowdays all the trance scene is floating and depeending upon drugs. And that cannot last for a long period of time. People are becoming to a thought that drugs have limits, people start to understand that the way they are following is the "dead end". In this case the trance scene is becoming less attractive and therefore the talents are direct to different ways. To fuck ur brain cannot long lust. DONT FUCK URSELF - RESPECT URSELF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest vasyachkin Posted December 17, 2003 Share Posted December 17, 2003 fuck that. i will fuck myself as long as i want. it is true, goa was about music back when Astral was IT. now its about SOUND, even Astrals themselves converted. so what, I LIKE IT. drugs rule ! reality is for those who can't handle the drugs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest GORE Posted December 17, 2003 Share Posted December 17, 2003 Reality is FREE - drugs are for money, which u get from reality. Practicaly every person can handele the drugs - if he or she has a n interest in it. U said that u would fuck yourself as long as u want - the plot of these words was u who is inside ur body, but it is not u phisicaly, drugs are material things, and they will damage u phisicaly - ur body, brain, and therefore ur perception of reality, and here u will find that u are lost in nowhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemmiwinks Posted December 17, 2003 Share Posted December 17, 2003 hahahaha!!! You're a funny man, GORE!!! ART - not trance, not psytrance, not electronic music, not even music itself - ART has ALWAYS been a matter of drugs (and when it wasn't about drugs it was about schizophrenics... well, actually religion too, but I won't get into that here:). Just look at history, read a book on Mozart's life, read the biographies of famous writers, famous painters, etc. etc. etc., you'll see that drugs were ALWAYS part of human expression through art. I'm not saying that EVERY talented artist since the dawning of man kind was high when making something good, but most of them were. Now the problem is what kind of drug they used, and that evolved through human history from the classical distilated alcohol during the renaissance to the darling of french writers absynth to the hallucinogenic drug explosion of the 60s to the more "cooler" cocaine. It's all a question of tendecies, maybe tomorrow's drug will be something forgotten by history, maybe it'll be something completely new, but I can assure you, whenever that drug will become the new fad, you'll see an enormous change in musical creativity (and any sort of creativity for that matter). SMI²LE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gore Posted December 17, 2003 Share Posted December 17, 2003 Have u ever heared such a statmnet that ART is usless thing. Absolutely useless - it is just a waisiting of time. It is not my words. It is just like this. Every artist agrees with this statment. What is Mozart is famous for?Right, for his music. But that is not the end, there is much more things to learn and understand then just making music. Sometimes the fame of a person hides his real personality. I am not against drugs, i am myself taking them sometimes, used to take much more then now. I have passed these times. Even i stopped taking drugs, i haven't lost my creativity at all. The one thing is that all famous people had something inside, and drugs were just an addtion to this something(talent). U wont discover any creativity if u just ill take drugs. Will be glad to continu these endless discussion. Boom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Nefarious Posted December 17, 2003 Share Posted December 17, 2003 Perhaps a distinction between people creating psy/music etc and the people attending gigs and creating the perceived 'scene' should be made? Artists have and always will be inspired through the use of drugs, as will your average punter and music fan on any given Saturday! If you only enjoy any music whilst trashed your joy will be short lived. Creative people are creative, drug usage or not. Wankers off their tits loving something for five minutes are still wankers. Listening to music, regardless of genre, is a passion you either have or you don't. I wasn't involved in the early scene, but listening to current stuff and some older releases, i enjoy the at home, straight, or slightly pissed more than a night out. Always have. Maybe i need to get out more...... ha ha. Anyway, cheers gore, what movies you into......?????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dennis Posted December 17, 2003 Share Posted December 17, 2003 last night i smoked a pipe and made some vizualizations and drawings i never thought of before.completely different from what i usually do.so i agree with lemmiwinks that drugs stimulate creativaty. i think people shouldnt bitch about those fucked up heads who attend goapartys for getting wasted.they pay the entrance and make a 5000 people party with infected mushroom possible. furthermore they are just as human as you are,and how do you know that you arent more fucked than them? let them enjoy their life,just as you enjoy yours.taking drugs or not taking them is a personal choice just like "should i ask that girl out or not". the scene is what we make it. i think it is very good that the scene got so big,and more people can attend it.many people evolve because of this music,even if it appears that they just fuck them selves on a first look Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest AutoMath Posted December 17, 2003 Share Posted December 17, 2003 The statement that art has always been about drugs is just such utter bloody bullshit Lemmiwinks and you KNOW it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dennis Posted December 17, 2003 Share Posted December 17, 2003 "Have u ever heared such a statmnet that ART is usless thing. Absolutely useless - it is just a waisiting of time. It is not my words. It is just like this. Every artist agrees with this statment." so what? the time we enjoy wasting is not wasted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chu Posted December 17, 2003 Share Posted December 17, 2003 IF you refer to history of goa I beleive it all began with hippies on acid dancing to rock and other music. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Grotezchky Posted December 17, 2003 Share Posted December 17, 2003 You are all doomed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemmiwinks Posted December 17, 2003 Share Posted December 17, 2003 don't take my word for it, AutoMath, just go to your local library and borrow some books on the biography of famous artists and tell me what you think... Gore: "Have u ever heared such a statmnet that ART is usless thing. Absolutely useless - it is just a waisiting of time. It is not my words. It is just like this. Every artist agrees with this statment." Well, I doubt YOU find it's useless cause then you wouldn't be listening to psy in the first place and complaining that the scene is going down the drain. If you found it's useless, you would be complaining instead about all the wasted workforce that's getting high at parties instead of having a 9-5 job and playing their role for society. "Even i stopped taking drugs, i haven't lost my creativity at all." aren't we feeling a little pretentious today? unless you're the dude behind Parasense I doubt I ever heard about your work... when high or not... "The one thing is that all famous people had something inside, and drugs were just an addtion to this something(talent)." yes, but maybe drugs are the stuff that brings out that special something and without it it will be forever burried inside? Maybe Herman Hesse would've been just another average Joe, working in a bakery all his life and dying in a forgotten corner if he never tried drugs? How many talented people are there in the world right now who are too busy working in a 9 - 5 job to support their families instead of getting high and getting in touch with their creativity? SMI²LE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Otto Matta Posted December 17, 2003 Share Posted December 17, 2003 Drugs have been a part of all people, everywhere, not just the artists, for a long time. That does not mean that all artists use drugs to create. That's complete nonsense, and definitely something a non-artist would say. I don't deny, however, that artists enjoy drugs, perhaps more than others, but drugs are everywhere - because most people enjoy an escape from their lives now and then. However, if I get the original point, I agree that most people, even the ones who don't listen to our music much at all, now equate our music with drugs, and that in order to enjoy the music one must be on something or another. That's sad. The music for me has always been a drug in itself. It was that first set of experiences with the music - sober - that made me say, "Holy crap, no wonder they call this music 'psychedelic' - it makes me hallucinate!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemmiwinks Posted December 17, 2003 Share Posted December 17, 2003 "Holy crap, no wonder they call this music 'psychedelic' - it makes me hallucinate!" ah yes, I had that feeling too. However, when I did drugs I thought "Now I REALLY understand why they call this music 'psychedellic'". EA: that's a bunch of nonsense... you know which artists create without using drugs? Those who aren't famous and are forgotten by time... but like I said, don't take my word for it, read and you shall see... start with: The Road of Excess : A History of Writers on Drugs by Marcus Boon then try Under the Influence : The Literature of Addiction by Rebecca Shannonhouse and then come and tell me that artists are perfectly able to create without drugs... SMI²LE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Otto Matta Posted December 17, 2003 Share Posted December 17, 2003 It's your logic that bothers me, snu. You ever tried creating anything while riding a drug? It's nearly impossible, and what comes out is generally gibberish the following day anyway. I'll agree that many artists require drugs to come up with their ideas, but to create a polished work requires sharp attention to detail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ?? PeoPLe!!!!!!! Posted December 17, 2003 Share Posted December 17, 2003 I wold say : 1. What could U say about drugs which comes for free?????????? 2. Person will use "drugs" till time while he likes it . THats all folx, GUYs )) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ?? PeoPLe!!!!!!! Posted December 17, 2003 Share Posted December 17, 2003 to GORE: a ti cho tipa is sovka ewe ???? Heh , prikol'no ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dennis Posted December 18, 2003 Share Posted December 18, 2003 drugs are inspiration not a means of creation but then would there be art if there wasnt inspiration? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gore Posted December 18, 2003 Share Posted December 18, 2003 To People Da iz rossii ia - iz moskvi a ti kak ia ponimau v Germnaii seichas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemmiwinks Posted December 18, 2003 Share Posted December 18, 2003 EA but maybe they get the initial idea when high and then "polish it" when sober? To answer your question, no I haven't created much when high OR sober (I see myself as more of a financier than an artist BUT when high I have already had these really really creative ideas that I wouldn't have had in a million years if sober. Now, if I had mastered some form of art (music creation, writing, drawing...) the first thing I would've done the next day was to represent whatever came to my mind, alas, I don't have any of the skills (well, maybe writing, I'm still thinking about that one). Anyway, for a more concrete example, if you see "LSD- A history of getting high" documentary (you can watch it in realplayer stream here: http://www.crrh.org/hemptv/docs_lsd.html) , you'll see at one moment Ken Kesey himself saying that he had written a LOT of the stuff in One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest when high on acid, and as you know, it became one of the best books by a contemporary american writer so... SMI²LE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Empty Space Posted December 18, 2003 Share Posted December 18, 2003 I love my drugs.... LOOOOOOOVE MY DRUGS!!!! DON'T EVER TAKE MY DRUGS AWAY!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Otto Matta Posted December 19, 2003 Share Posted December 19, 2003 Well, then we come close to agreeing, snu. Just so you know, though, most artists are inspired by solid, sober ideas based largely on their own upbringings, current events, other art, etc., and usually a combination of all these. I'll grant you that a few artists - some beat writers, abstract painters, rock 'n' rollers, etc. - did some of their stuff high. To give you an example to balance out yours, apparently Salvador Dali did not use drugs. If I recall, when asked about his own drug use, he said something like, "I don't use drugs, I am a drug." Pretty cool, I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gore Posted December 19, 2003 Share Posted December 19, 2003 Is that all about beeing just cool? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Towelie Posted December 19, 2003 Share Posted December 19, 2003 drugs are bad mmkay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gore Posted December 19, 2003 Share Posted December 19, 2003 IT IS NOT COOL TO TAKE DRUGS YOU WON'T BE COOL IF U TAKE DRUGS It is like when a kid starts to smoke cigarettes and he or she thinks that he is cool. GROWN UPS - ARE AGAINST DRUGS - EVEN IF THEY TRIED IT at a time of their childhood. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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